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    Posted: 16 July 2010 at 1:31pm
So DS is now 8mths old and after he gets over his teething and is more interested in food again, I need to drop one feed and then gradually work towards no feeds at 12mths of age. The problem is DS is not interested in his sippy cup. Occasionally he will have one sip of water.

Just wanted to know others' experiences. Did they get more interested as they got older and more able to master it themselves or take to it straight away? Anyone have problems and have some tips they can give me?

I saw Plunket today but didn't have time to ask because DH was rushing me out the door...
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I just started giving him a sippy cup (a non leak one though) to play with - eventually he got the idea of drinking from it. He doesn't drink a whole lot from it and TBH I think its still more of a toy than anything else - but he will get there.
You could also try those bottle to cup sets (nuby do one I think)
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Yeah it is a process that can take a little while, especially as you are in the middle of winter he wont be overly thirsty either. I used to worry about DS too at around that age, maybe a bit older but he did catch on eventually, just make it part of every meal / snack. Unless you are happy for him to have juice dont think you have to tempt him into drinking from the sippy cup using it, DS just has water, always has had and its never been a problem.

I'd start off with those really cheap Tommy Tippee ones, WITHOUT the non spill just the flip down spout, the non spill thingies inside the spout can make it really hard for them to get the liquid out and I believe they are linked to speech issues but you might have to look into that further. Also you may have to try a couple of different brands before you find one that he clicks with.

A friend bypassed the sippy cup stage altogther and just held a normal cup for her little boy until he could hold it himself, its an idea I'd quite like to try with my next child as her little one was quite proficient with the cup by around 12/14 mths and didnt have to unlearn sippy behaviour like being able to throw the cup around with no consequences!

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Just wondering, why do you want him to be on no feeds by 12 months? The girls are almost 12 months now, and are still having 3 bottles (600ml) of formula a day?

They will also drink water with their meals though.
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My baby nurse (hehe I call her that, she is child health nurse) was suggesting to me today to start getting DS used to using a cup, not sippy cup, just a plain old cup, with a small amount of water in it...just so that when he decides to stop BFing, instead of going to bottle, he can pretty much bypass that whole step and just drink milk out of the cup...which sounds good to me. She said to just make it a game at this point and not to worry if he was getting anything out of it.



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Originally posted by minik8e minik8e wrote:

Just wondering, why do you want him to be on no feeds by 12 months? The girls are almost 12 months now, and are still having 3 bottles (600ml) of formula a day?

They will also drink water with their meals though.


Well according to Plunket/WHO babies don't need breastmilk at that age or any formula. I'm not sure how much fluid they need at that age but 600mls sounds like around 3cups which might be about what they need. For me personally I'd prefer it to be cow's milk or toddler milk or water from a cup rather than having to wean him from a bottle. Anyway - he is not interested in water from a bottle either.

Thanks everyone for your reassurance. I'm not exactly sure what route to take but for now will persevere offering it to him.

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Originally posted by newlywed newlywed wrote:

Originally posted by minik8e minik8e wrote:

Just wondering, why do you want him to be on no feeds by 12 months? The girls are almost 12 months now, and are still having 3 bottles (600ml) of formula a day?

They will also drink water with their meals though.


Well according to Plunket/WHO babies don't need breastmilk at that age or any formula.


Actually WHO recommends BFing until 2 years.

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Really? Well I am weaning him at 12mths.
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Originally posted by kellie kellie wrote:

Originally posted by newlywed newlywed wrote:

Originally posted by minik8e minik8e wrote:

Just wondering, why do you want him to be on no feeds by 12 months? The girls are almost 12 months now, and are still having 3 bottles (600ml) of formula a day?

They will also drink water with their meals though.


Well according to Plunket/WHO babies don't need breastmilk at that age or any formula.


Actually WHO recommends BFing until 2 years.


yeah WHO is 2!! it rythmes... LOL!

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none of my kids had bottles, they went from boob to sippy cups. they had boobs and cups and eden - 28 months now - still has boob and has outgrown her sippy cups. i just gave them cups with their meals and let them play with them. not all kids get the non spill valves though. My second child prefered the other type but my first it was a disaster.

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My understanding is they don't actually need breastmilk past 12mths. I wonder if they are delaying it (WHO) till 2yo because they have suggested delaying cows milk as long as possible?
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WHO have been recommending 2 years for a very long time now, and it has nothing to do with cows milk. There are lots of things we technicaly dont NEED but that doesnt mean we shouldnt have them.

this is what the WHO website says:


WHO can now say with full confidence that breastfeeding reduces child mortality and has health benefits that extend into adulthood. On a population basis, exclusive breastfeeding for the first six months of life is the recommended way of feeding infants, followed by continued breastfeeding with appropriate complementary foods for up to two years or beyond.

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My understanding is that plunket promote the use of sippy cups from an early age as they are "better" than bottles for teeth etc.

If you are planning on weaning at 12 months than go for it. Its obviously your choice. I would be starting to put small amounts of EBM in a sippy cup and hold him while he drinks it.

My #1 actually found straws heaps easier so we had a straw drink bottle for water from around 10 months and he still has 1 bottle at night every now and again.

       
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Originally posted by newlywed newlywed wrote:

My understanding is they don't actually need breastmilk past 12mths. I wonder if they are delaying it (WHO) till 2yo because they have suggested delaying cows milk as long as possible?


I am curious , although weaning your child is your choice you are going to be weaning him onto cows milk. So instead of giving him the milk that is specifically desgned to be perfect for him and his nutritional needs you'll be giving him an inferior substitute which comes from an animal.

And by doing so are saying he still needs milk past 12 months but not the one thats perfect for him.

Just another way to look at it

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DD much preferred to drink her water out straw cup and she has a Pump bottle now.

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Actually, WHO used to reccomend to 4 and that is, believe it or not, the worldwide norm. In my copy of the who guidleines, that I have here (thanks to my job) but won't quote from so as not to break any rules, who reccomends breastfeeding to two yers AND beyond.
There is no reseach that backs up any thing about breastmilk not being needed after 12 months and I would be intersted to know where you read that, because I don't think there is actually a published (or otherwise) study to back that up. I also feel its a bit "dangerous" to even say that!!! Studies actually show the benefits of long term breastfeeding - beyond 12 months, are far reaching.

That said, though, 12 months is a really great stretch of time to breastfeed and I really commend you! In my job, it seems the norm is about 6 monthsish and that somehow coincides with formula being able to be advertised for beyond 6 months and the misleding statements the producers use about all the "added benefits" of their follow on formula (and all those things are actually in BM too - thats why its misleading)
Anyhow, fo rmums I work with that are planning to wean I do say to try lots of different types of sippy cups, although that can be an expensive exersize, so see if you can "borrow" some off friends to try different types. You will fnd that at this stage he probably won't really be too keen on water cos milk is nicer!! something lots if mums find - is that - shock horror- leaving small pump bottles of water within their play areas means they are able to experiment with them and often drink form them and if they see you doing hte same, they copy. Iwouldn't stress out to much about it, he will ge the hang of it,   Some find it easier to just go to a cup, or a lidded cup like tupperware do or a "straw" cup - tommee tippee do a great range of them. Nuby have a good cup (tommee tippee) that has a really soft spout, very "breast like" too, so he migh tlike that? I know lots of mums who haev had good success with that.
Don't waste your money on toddler milks, if he is having a varied diet, he dosen't need that stuff, and its *blerk* anyway. Cows milk is fine and I think the only worry about it is if you or any of your family have shown dairy intollerances in the past,. At 9 months you can start adding cows milk totheir ceral and food you cook for them anyway - such as mashes.

Hope that helps.
Good luck!
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Originally posted by newlywed newlywed wrote:

My understanding is they don't actually need breastmilk past 12mths. I wonder if they are delaying it (WHO) till 2yo because they have suggested delaying cows milk as long as possible?

Where did you get that information from???

Children need milk of some form for a long time after they are born. I would take on the info Annie has written she knows her stuff.

I was un able to BF my eldest but he had formula till he was well over 18 months, my youngest was BF till 7 months and then had formula till he was well over 18 months as well.

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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Thanks for the clarification fattarts, I did wonder about the 'added benefits' the formula makers market and whether babies / children are already getting those benefits from their normal BF/solids diet.

The advertising screams to me of supplementing children's diets with vitamins and minerals they're already getting elsewhere.

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We have found that a small cup (we use the small plastic measuring cup that came with our rice cooker!) works very well. We introduced it around the same time as we started giving solids after 5 months. We let him play around with it, let him tip it over to see what the consequences were and would drink from it ourselves then give it to him. He caught on very quickly! He still can chuck it around occasionally but I don't mind mess - it's all part of learning! We also give him soup and yoghurt in it (we are doing BLW).

He does have a sippy cup as well though. He used to have two - a $15 one from a baby shop and a $1.99 one from Pac 'n' Save. In all honesty the $1.99 one seemed to be so much better for getting him started! He could see the water through the cup and also it was slimmer and seemed easier to handle. Unfortunately it cracked one day after too many throws off the highchair but we definitely got our moneys worth out of it! My sister has a really cool one that has a straw for when they are little and haven't got the hang of tipping yet and then converts to a sippy cup later on. I don't recommend the ones with the soft tops - they just annoy Jude and the water doesn't come as freely.

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But surely they need some form of milk after reaching the age of one? .. im confused ...
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Originally posted by lilfatty lilfatty wrote:

But surely they need some form of milk after reaching the age of one? .. im confused ...

Yeah that confused me as well. My 6 and 3 year olds love their milk still

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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