Problems with Sippy Cup
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Topic: Problems with Sippy Cup
Posted By: anon
Subject: Problems with Sippy Cup
Date Posted: 16 July 2010 at 1:31pm
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So DS is now 8mths old and after he gets over his teething and is more interested in food again, I need to drop one feed and then gradually work towards no feeds at 12mths of age. The problem is DS is not interested in his sippy cup. Occasionally he will have one sip of water.
Just wanted to know others' experiences. Did they get more interested as they got older and more able to master it themselves or take to it straight away? Anyone have problems and have some tips they can give me? I saw Plunket today but didn't have time to ask because DH was rushing me out the door... ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: littlestar
Date Posted: 16 July 2010 at 1:35pm
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I just started giving him a sippy cup (a non leak one though) to play with - eventually he got the idea of drinking from it. He doesn't drink a whole lot from it and TBH I think its still more of a toy than anything else - but he will get there.
You could also try those bottle to cup sets (nuby do one I think) ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: kiwikid
Date Posted: 16 July 2010 at 10:39pm
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Yeah it is a process that can take a little while, especially as you are in the middle of winter he wont be overly thirsty either. I used to worry about DS too at around that age, maybe a bit older but he did catch on eventually, just make it part of every meal / snack. Unless you are happy for him to have juice dont think you have to tempt him into drinking from the sippy cup using it, DS just has water, always has had and its never been a problem.
I'd start off with those really cheap Tommy Tippee ones, WITHOUT the non spill just the flip down spout, the non spill thingies inside the spout can make it really hard for them to get the liquid out and I believe they are linked to speech issues but you might have to look into that further. Also you may have to try a couple of different brands before you find one that he clicks with. A friend bypassed the sippy cup stage altogther and just held a normal cup for her little boy until he could hold it himself, its an idea I'd quite like to try with my next child as her little one was quite proficient with the cup by around 12/14 mths and didnt have to unlearn sippy behaviour like being able to throw the cup around with no consequences! ------------- 
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Posted By: minik8e
Date Posted: 16 July 2010 at 11:05pm
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Just wondering, why do you want him to be on no feeds by 12 months? The girls are almost 12 months now, and are still having 3 bottles (600ml) of formula a day?
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 16 July 2010 at 11:29pm
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My baby nurse (hehe I call her that, she is child health nurse) was suggesting to me today to start getting DS used to using a cup, not sippy cup, just a plain old cup, with a small amount of water in it...just so that when he decides to stop BFing, instead of going to bottle, he can pretty much bypass that whole step and just drink milk out of the cup...which sounds good to me. She said to just make it a game at this point and not to worry if he was getting anything out of it. ------------- 
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 1:18am
Well according to Plunket/WHO babies don't need breastmilk at that age or any formula. I'm not sure how much fluid they need at that age but 600mls sounds like around 3cups which might be about what they need. For me personally I'd prefer it to be cow's milk or toddler milk or water from a cup rather than having to wean him from a bottle. Anyway - he is not interested in water from a bottle either. Thanks everyone for your reassurance. I'm not exactly sure what route to take but for now will persevere offering it to him. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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minik8e wrote:Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 1:38am
Actually WHO recommends BFing until 2 years. ------------- 
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:16am
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Really? Well I am weaning him at 12mths. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:56am
yeah WHO is 2!! it rythmes... LOL! ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:59am
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none of my kids had bottles, they went from boob to sippy cups. they had boobs and cups and eden - 28 months now - still has boob and has outgrown her sippy cups. i just gave them cups with their meals and let them play with them. not all kids get the non spill valves though. My second child prefered the other type but my first it was a disaster. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 10:34am
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My understanding is they don't actually need breastmilk past 12mths. I wonder if they are delaying it (WHO) till 2yo because they have suggested delaying cows milk as long as possible? ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 11:59am
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WHO have been recommending 2 years for a very long time now, and it has nothing to do with cows milk. There are lots of things we technicaly dont NEED but that doesnt mean we shouldnt have them.
this is what the WHO website says: WHO can now say with full confidence that breastfeeding reduces child mortality and has health benefits that extend into adulthood. On a population basis, exclusive breastfeeding for the first six months of life is the recommended way of feeding infants, followed by continued breastfeeding with appropriate complementary foods for up to two years or beyond. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 12:10pm
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My understanding is that plunket promote the use of sippy cups from an early age as they are "better" than bottles for teeth etc.
If you are planning on weaning at 12 months than go for it. Its obviously your choice. I would be starting to put small amounts of EBM in a sippy cup and hold him while he drinks it. My #1 actually found straws heaps easier so we had a straw drink bottle for water from around 10 months and he still has 1 bottle at night every now and again. -------------  
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 1:43pm
I am curious , although weaning your child is your choice you are going to be weaning him onto cows milk. So instead of giving him the milk that is specifically desgned to be perfect for him and his nutritional needs you'll be giving him an inferior substitute which comes from an animal. And by doing so are saying he still needs milk past 12 months but not the one thats perfect for him. Just another way to look at it 
ETA DD much preferred to drink her water out straw cup and she has a Pump bottle now. |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 2:43pm
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Actually, WHO used to reccomend to 4 and that is, believe it or not, the worldwide norm. In my copy of the who guidleines, that I have here (thanks to my job) but won't quote from so as not to break any rules, who reccomends breastfeeding to two yers AND beyond.
There is no reseach that backs up any thing about breastmilk not being needed after 12 months and I would be intersted to know where you read that, because I don't think there is actually a published (or otherwise) study to back that up. I also feel its a bit "dangerous" to even say that!!! Studies actually show the benefits of long term breastfeeding - beyond 12 months, are far reaching. That said, though, 12 months is a really great stretch of time to breastfeed and I really commend you! In my job, it seems the norm is about 6 monthsish and that somehow coincides with formula being able to be advertised for beyond 6 months and the misleding statements the producers use about all the "added benefits" of their follow on formula (and all those things are actually in BM too - thats why its misleading) Anyhow, fo rmums I work with that are planning to wean I do say to try lots of different types of sippy cups, although that can be an expensive exersize, so see if you can "borrow" some off friends to try different types. You will fnd that at this stage he probably won't really be too keen on water cos milk is nicer!! something lots if mums find - is that - shock horror- leaving small pump bottles of water within their play areas means they are able to experiment with them and often drink form them and if they see you doing hte same, they copy. Iwouldn't stress out to much about it, he will ge the hang of it, Some find it easier to just go to a cup, or a lidded cup like tupperware do or a "straw" cup - tommee tippee do a great range of them. Nuby have a good cup (tommee tippee) that has a really soft spout, very "breast like" too, so he migh tlike that? I know lots of mums who haev had good success with that. Don't waste your money on toddler milks, if he is having a varied diet, he dosen't need that stuff, and its *blerk* anyway. Cows milk is fine and I think the only worry about it is if you or any of your family have shown dairy intollerances in the past,. At 9 months you can start adding cows milk totheir ceral and food you cook for them anyway - such as mashes. Hope that helps. Good luck! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 2:57pm
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Where did you get that information from??? Children need milk of some form for a long time after they are born. I would take on the info Annie has written she knows her stuff. I was un able to BF my eldest but he had formula till he was well over 18 months, my youngest was BF till 7 months and then had formula till he was well over 18 months as well. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 3:20pm
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Thanks for the clarification fattarts, I did wonder about the 'added benefits' the formula makers market and whether babies / children are already getting those benefits from their normal BF/solids diet.
The advertising screams to me of supplementing children's diets with vitamins and minerals they're already getting elsewhere. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 3:24pm
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We have found that a small cup (we use the small plastic measuring cup that came with our rice cooker!) works very well. We introduced it around the same time as we started giving solids after 5 months. We let him play around with it, let him tip it over to see what the consequences were and would drink from it ourselves then give it to him. He caught on very quickly! He still can chuck it around occasionally but I don't mind mess - it's all part of learning! We also give him soup and yoghurt in it (we are doing BLW).
He does have a sippy cup as well though. He used to have two - a $15 one from a baby shop and a $1.99 one from Pac 'n' Save. In all honesty the $1.99 one seemed to be so much better for getting him started! He could see the water through the cup and also it was slimmer and seemed easier to handle. Unfortunately it cracked one day after too many throws off the highchair but we definitely got our moneys worth out of it! My sister has a really cool one that has a straw for when they are little and haven't got the hang of tipping yet and then converts to a sippy cup later on. I don't recommend the ones with the soft tops - they just annoy Jude and the water doesn't come as freely. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 3:36pm
But surely they need some form of milk after reaching the age of one? .. im confused ...  ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year  http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 4:56pm
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Yeah that confused me as well. My 6 and 3 year olds love their milk still ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 4:59pm
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The info I had also recommended using Breast / Formula milk for making up baby cereal/rice etc up until 18-24 months.
I'm 37 and I still drink cow juice. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 5:03pm
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Well Plunket said to me that they are starting to recommend that cows milk for drinking is delayed as long as possible, eg. 2yrs due to allergies. But from 12mths is fine. But they also said that the toddlers formula might be better because it makes sure they have adequate calcium, iron etc. and is apparently the same price as buying them cows milk. I haven't compared prices because I'm not at that stage as yet so I don't know which I will go for.
As for the person (I can't remember who it was) who questioned my decision to stop breastfeeding at 12mths - I believe from the information I have that my son doesn't need it, and will do quite well with cows milk. We have no allergies in our family and the rest of us human beings don't resort to breastmilk when we need to boost our calcium levels - we either drink cows milk or a selection of dairy products. That's what I'm planning on giving my son when he's at that age that he's able to have it. Obviously you are comfortable breastfeeding for a lot longer than 12mths. I think this is a personal choice and for me - I would feel uncomfortable continuing for much longer than that age. I'm not going to go into my opinions about breastfeeding toddlers etc. because that will open up a whole can of worms! All I will say is that it is a personal choice and I think I've done incredibly well considering I had to express for 4wks while my baby refused the breast and as a result got mastitis and was hospitalized but still managed to get him on and later wean him from nipple shields!! I am pretty proud of myself for breastfeeding up to 12mths actually. Thanks everyone for all your tips! ETA: The WHO obviously advises all nationalities. Obviously if I was in a developing nation where there was perhaps inadequate nutrition or high rates of disease and child mortality I would breastfeed my baby longer. However, because I live in a developed nation and my baby has access to immunisations as well as adequate nutrition I am quite happy to stop at 12mths of age. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: ginger
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 5:04pm
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Just skipping past all the debate as to how long children should drink milk for (Cuinn was weaned at 15 months, but won't drink milk - it was hard to cut off BF when I knew he likely wouldn't have any milk at all once it was done) - Cuinn wouldn't take a bottle or sippy cup, other than for one or two sips, but we found a sports top on a kids bottle worked wonders. Of course, he only drinks water, so not sure how successful it'd be for milk, but I don't imagine there'd be a problem. Might be worth a shot. ------------- Cuinn Lachlan 23.1.09 - 22:00 Antonia Helene 4.8.11 - 09:41 |
Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 5:19pm
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Thanks - I might try a sippy bottle with a sports top but I wonder if he'll know how to suck it? ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 5:28pm
He sucks a breast doesnt he? 
If my (then) eight month old can figure it out .. id say your toddler can  ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 5:32pm
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What I mean is a sports drink top is a bit different to a teat or a breast! But I know what you mean - I'll give it a go! He's only 8mths at the moment. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 5:35pm
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He should be fine , might take him a couple of goes since they aren't as soft as bottles or breast , but it shouldn't take him long to get the hang of it . ------------- 
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 5:35pm
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Trust me .. they work it out pretty damn quick, especially if they are thirsty! ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 6:01pm
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i dont think your decision to stop bf was questioned, more that you stated that WHO recommended it when in fact they didnt. I would hate for any other parents to get the same misinformation as you did.
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 6:02pm
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Yep sure do, and liek I sid even those mini pumps are great they seem to figure them out pretty fast.
And well done for feeding for 12 months, I think that is a real acheivement, espicially in trying times- mastitis etc. Charly has never drink cows milk ever since I weaned her, but eats plenty of other calcium rich food, so it dosen't worry me too much. Jake on the other hand can't get enough of the stuff! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 6:04pm
Yep that was the part I was wondering about, not the decision to stop, as I stated in my original post, I think 12 months is pretty great stuff!!! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 6:05pm
Well, yeah but its not a must!! If they are eating a varied diet filled with calcium rich foods its not really that much of a biggie. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 6:07pm
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He might figure out how to use a pump bottle quicker if you put orange juice (watered down) in it. ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 6:27pm
it does have its place, mainly in the diets of children who don't eat such a good diet? or if you want to give it to them of course! Personally, wouldn't waste my money, but if thats what you want to do for peace of mind, then thats fine too! If you are still BF then they get all those lovely nutrients etc from you! The 6 months more iron thing that plunket go on about it right to a degree, they do need more, however if you are breastfeeding there isn no need to panic and stop BF to put them on an iron enriched formula, because of course, they get it all from you! You might need to eat a bit better, but your body gives it to baby to the detriment of yourself if you aren't eating well, much like when you are PG. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 6:28pm
he he ick! And thanks Becks for the shout out! For those 2 or 3 of you that might not know, I am a breastfeeding educator, I educate mothers and healthcare professionals including plunket and practice nurses in the latest BF education as well as run workshops to help them to deal with specific BF problems. I am employed by our local PHO along with another woman to help and we have between us 3 degrees and practicing licences to do so. When Charly heads off to school I will finish my education to become a lactation consultant. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 6:45pm
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Another approach that seems to be working well so far for me is to give her a shot glass of water. It's just the right size for her and she's very proficient with it already. To start with she'd get it just before bath so the wet clothes didn't matter ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:01pm
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That is a great job - I owe my ability to breastfeed to lactation consultants at hospital and Plunket.
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:05pm
That was the post I was responding to. Regarding the WHO guidelines. I thought that Plunket advised according to WHO guidelines - perhaps not specifically in this case but in general. Which is why I put WHO/Plunket because I got the advice from Plunket and it seems to be a common time to wean (12mths) if people don't do it beforehand for whatever reason, eg. work. Anyway - enough of all that! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:07pm
That makes perfect sense, if I'm eating a balanced diet and giving the same including BF to my child then they should be getting all the nutrients they need. I'm also not convinced of the impartiality of Plunket given how heavily funded/sponsored they are by manufacturers of baby products. I realize its my decision, but its my child's life. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:10pm
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So do you think you'd like to breastfeed for 2yrs cali when you have your baby? I trust Plunket a lot. I'm a Registered Nurse and have relieved for Plunket and I trust quite a bit of what they say because it's based on research and often works well. But I also use my own intuition with my baby. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:17pm
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Some of what Plunket says I agree with , but a lot I don't , I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but I know there have been some cases where I just decide to agree to disagree with them .
I think motherhood is a mixture of taking professional advice and using it when it suits , and going by your own intuition . Somethings Plunket say will work for you , some wont , you just pick and choose what suits your lifestyle best imo -------------
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:17pm
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i'm surprised a registered nurse wasnt more aware of the WHO guidelines.
i have a collection of sippy cups in my cupboard that dont get used any more... my fave was the cheap ones from the supermarket. and as someone else said they all loved to drink water from my pump bottle. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:18pm
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I'd like to be able to breast feed as long as I possibly can, if I can manage to for that long then yes I would.
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:20pm
Have you got it in for me tonight or something? ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:21pm
I agree. I have to say though that the Plunket Family Cntr was my lifeline through a terrible time when Nathan was newborn so I feel very loyal to them. But even they advised me that you take professional advice but do what works for you. Cali - good for you. As for me, no I am happy with my decision to stop breastfeeding at 12mths - reasons I gave earlier. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:27pm
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NW it is of course your choice to stop BF if you wish, I guess the questions being asked are around what your replacing breast milk with? ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:28pm
No, i was genuinely surprised! i guess i kind of expect nurses to know stuff related to health! edited to fix the quote thingy. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:30pm
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:30pm
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I think, from what I can gather where the "wheels fall off" a bit for plunket is that sometimes the advice is a bit one size fits most. For example, the growth charts are based on bottle fed babies, which is why lots of mums panic that their BF baby isn't in the which ever centile is desireable at coffee group. Lactation consultants have a different chart and rule of thumb for weight gains. Im sure this stems from when the BF rate was lower, the socio economic stats for plunket clients and the earlier weaning time from times pst, and a variety of other reasons I'm sure.
Ive always found plunket to be good, however I just take on board the advice that fitted for our family and didn't stress out too much about the other advice, such as the sleep through the night, the cry it out thing (I sooo don't agree with that one) etc. They have recently moved their advice from "breastfeed to 6 months and beyond" to "breastfeed to 12 months and beyond" to be closer to the who codes standards while recognising that for Kiwis, the later wean age is between 6 and 12 months., which I think is pretty cool - encouraging mums to feed past 6 months...now they just need to stop scarting BF mums with lack of iron stories nd I'll be happy!!! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:30pm
Well I don't hang out on the WHO website in my spare time. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:31pm
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I'm sorry, I am trying my best to not sound patronising, given our somewhat dubious past! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:34pm
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Well you are doing a pretty good job fattarts I don't feel offended by anything of what you've said but I honestly sometimes come into threads and find that a whole bunch of women are yet again ganging up on someone. I'm so tired of the cattiness. I was asking for advice on sippy cups for heavens sake!
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:38pm
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I don't think anyone is trying to pick on you newlywed, in your OP, you said you were wanting to get down to no feeds and which sippy cup to use.
Which are two different things really. Hope you find a solution that works for you.  ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:38pm
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I know. I think Ive bashed the who code on them all so many times in the last god knows how long, they're doing my job for me now!
I don't think anyone means to offend you, though, although it might not seem that way. Its hard to gauge sometimes on line what tone/intention, plus if its people you don't normally talk to, you might not know thier style, maybe? Anyhow, hope you've got some good idea re the sippy cup. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:39pm
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i think youve had lots of advice about sippy cups...
i think the main thing to remember is just keep giving them the opportunity. one of my boys i despaired would never get it cause he always spat the water out... you have plenty time for him to ge the hang of it. wait till the day he borrows your sipper bottle and you find floaties in it! eeew yuck! i honestly dont know how that stuff can get past those little valves.  ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:41pm
Cali when women wean their babies from breastfeeding, obviously their baby has to take milk/water from another source which was why I was talking about how I was going to get it into him when at the moment he's not interested in the sippy cup. I think everyone understood. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: ginger
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:44pm
Ah newlywed, I'm speaking for Bizzy, and she may well be sticking pins into somelkind of cursed doll with your name on it but I suspect that she's surprised and concerned that something that as a medical professional, you weren't aware/had different information in relation to something that's had quite a bit of focus one way or another recently (the WHO recommendations re breastfeeding). It's not a personal attack.------------- Cuinn Lachlan 23.1.09 - 22:00 Antonia Helene 4.8.11 - 09:41 |
Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:45pm
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It sounded like it. If not a personal attack - an attack on me as a nurse. I am SOOOOO sick of it. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:48pm
 The same could be said about you. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:49pm
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it was genuine surprise - as ginger pointed out the WHO guidelines re breastfeeding are in the news a lot lately and it is also mentioned on a certain formulas adverts...
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:52pm
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Can I ask why you don't try a normal bottle???
But if you use the pump bottle in front of him he'll work it out, just make sure you don't have it open fully when you give it to him to drink. Also if you are using the suction sippy cups it might be to hard for him to suck from. Try those cheap ones with the three holes. Also on the nutrition of breast milk, I saw a dietician this week & she told me at this stage breast milk still has enough nutrition for my 18 month old and beyond even though I feel that it doesn't. ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:55pm
That is fine, but what about dairy products in baby food? Ie custards, baby muesli...No point in delaying drinking milk if you are feeding it to them in their solid meal. ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:57pm
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I'm using cheap sippy cups with three holes in it. I mentioned in an earlier post that he's not interested in taking water from a bottle either. I think I have an idea about what I will try with regards to getting milk/water into him especially as he's young and it's early days - so thanks, I have all the advice I need.
Bizzy - I have worked in Starship for about a year. The WHO guidelines on how long one should breastfeed had nothing to do with Neurological or Neurosurgical problems of an infant or child - or in fact any medical illness. It's probably more a general fact nurses may know - particularly Plunket nurses. I still think WHO guidelines are taking into consideration developing nations in their guidelines with breastfeeding. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 7:59pm
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Newlywed - I found those cheap as sippy cups from the supermarket did the job just fine...
... IMO I wouldn't expect a nurse to know every guideline esp if you aren't actually a plunket nurse... there is no way I know everything that is considered best practise in my line of work (without looking it up), which is much narrower than nursing...  ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:00pm
How about just making his meals quite runny, then he's still getting fluids, give him bottles, cups etc to play with & he's learn what he wants to drink out of. ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:02pm
Yeah, a lot of the time people expect nurses to know every single aspect of health but don't realise that it is a huge subject and you couldn't possibly. I learnt quite a bit about health with respect to children when I relieved at Plunket and worked at Starship and as a Practice Nurse for a GP but unless you specialize in one area, even then there's still so much to learn and things change even in the space of a year - they change their minds about best practice guidelines constantly! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: ginger
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:02pm
That's pretty much how we came to what we came to - I think we had about 4 or 5 different types of tops, as well as plain cups and I gauged how heavy his nappies were in relation to what he was drinking out of, and from there came to realise that the sipper top was working best, and was the one he preferred and then just biffed the rest! ------------- Cuinn Lachlan 23.1.09 - 22:00 Antonia Helene 4.8.11 - 09:41 |
Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:04pm
Well apparently - according to Plunket - there is a big difference in drinking milk and eating dairy products. They say to delay drinking milk till at least 12mths but dairy products such as custard, yoghurt are fine from around 7mths! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: ginger
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:08pm
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Is it to do with the milk in foods being cooked as opposed to cows milk being given possibly straight out of the fridge or whatever?
Funny, isn't it, how allergies are such an issue these days? I don't ever remember there ever being such awareness historically. ------------- Cuinn Lachlan 23.1.09 - 22:00 Antonia Helene 4.8.11 - 09:41 |
Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:11pm
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Ginger good question - I've got no idea, I just follow along believing I'm doing the best for my baby
Yes - they have recently introduced some things earlier than a year ago because there seems to be disagreement out there about whether introducing it too late could also cause allergies. So I just use it as a guideline and do what I feel comfortable with. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:12pm
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Ginger: just curious - you are "Moderator Group" on your profile there. What does that mean? ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: ginger
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:14pm
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I think that's really all you can do as a parent, isn't it? Your best. When it comes down to it, you're the very best parent(s) that your child has. Things that don't feel right to me get filed in the a*svice section of my holey memory ------------- Cuinn Lachlan 23.1.09 - 22:00 Antonia Helene 4.8.11 - 09:41 |
Posted By: millymollymandy
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:14pm
| I asked this question to my chemist DH. The issue with milk vs yohurt, cheese is that the bacteria in these products breaks down the lactose. Lactose intolerence is what can cause allergies. |
Posted By: ginger
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:16pm
It means I have the ability to moderate within the forums (limited to one or only a couple of sections), but truth be told, it's something I was given for a particular reason a number of years ago and it just need to remind admin to revoke it. I keep forgetting it's there. I should really flick Ang an email now. ------------- Cuinn Lachlan 23.1.09 - 22:00 Antonia Helene 4.8.11 - 09:41 |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:16pm
yep cooking/pasturising changes the protien strain, so often times, even a child with a reaction/allergy to milk can still have cheese and yoghurt. Not all, but some/most. An yeah about the allergy thing, I am allergic to eggs and I remember it was SUCH a big thing becasue no one else we knew had an allergy! Now its almost commonplace to have an allergy of soem type. Sucks though. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:17pm
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or I could be wrong and its about the bacteria. lol. Right Im off to the movies now, so play nice ladies! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: ginger
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:25pm
Enjoy!!  ------------- Cuinn Lachlan 23.1.09 - 22:00 Antonia Helene 4.8.11 - 09:41 |
Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:32pm
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Ditto - I went last night - what a treat! DH is home with the choccy ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:45pm
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I would the pump bottle. My watches me drink from it and a few weeks ago started reaching out for it so I let him have a play and he managed to get some in his mouth (and then proceeded to let it run down his chin). But, at 5 months he had figured out the process needed. -------------  
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:48pm
Wow, thanks, this is quite interesting to know. Am tempted to give C a custard before monday (paed) so I can show reaction to ingested dairy. I think it's in part to awareness & research. I was child riddled with ezcema yet Mum never removed anything from my diet, you just lived with it. Now I am group 1, skin pricked allergic to a bunch of things including dairy, C hasn't skin pricked & I'm hoping that with my awareness this means he can grow out of it. Sorry to thread jack NW. - ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:53pm
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Jake had the straw cup - he hated the sippy cups.
I'm planning on weaning at around 12 months but thats coz I'm gonna be TTC#3 next year and I want my body to myself for awhile. -------------   
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Posted By: ginger
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:58pm
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That's more or less why I weaned Babe - aside from not liking BF at all (I know, not the done thing to admit to!), we're doing a FER this month, and the clinic required me to have no been BFing for at least a couple of months prior to the cycle. It was all the excuse I needed to get over the residual guilt! ------------- Cuinn Lachlan 23.1.09 - 22:00 Antonia Helene 4.8.11 - 09:41 |
Posted By: BeLoved
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 8:59pm
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DD had a Pigeon MagMag cup (I think thats what they are called) she was always happy to drink out of the stage 2 top that they have for it. You can get them at PaknSave or BabyCity, and they have a straw top that you can get for them too, she still use the straw top one now. ------------- http://alterna-tickers.com"> 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 9:04pm
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Oops the first sentence of my post was supposed to read " I am curious where you got your information from" That'll learn me for not spell checking ETA Spelling
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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 9:09pm
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We had such a hard time with Jake.. he refused to drink water out of anything but we ALWAYS drink out of pump bottles and one day he picked up an empty one off the floor (he was playing with it) and put it to his mouth.. I put a little water in it and he drank it! SCORE.
He now will drink out of anything we give him.. once he got the hang of it (except straw cups.. he keeps tipping them up like a cup and of course nothing comes out). Not wanting to "gang up on you" but I just had to add (more others who may read this then you) that Plunket are not gospel! I have been referred to GP/Paed at EVERY appt to be told by my Paed that my son is FINE! I have been caused much stress (unneccessarily) at my "failure to thrive" baby... And funnily enough my Plunket nurse commended me on bf past one as its the WHO guidelines so I guess much like other Nurses.. not everyone has the same knowledge.... Sorry I am just very passionate about mothers trusting their instincts rather than relying on "experitise" of Plunket as in my experience they so often get it so wrong. -------------   
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 9:40pm
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I think we have trust or lack of trust depending on our experience. My experience of Plunket is very good whereas my trust in GPs is very poor because of the fact that I have worked so closely with them and seen so many bad calls that have resulted in serious consequences. So I can see where you are coming from in terms of your own experience. And I believe in a mixture of expertise and your own intuition as mentioned before.
Wow - this topic has definitely evolved! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 9:48pm
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Yeah I hear you on the Plunket thing. They can be so contradictory. I really do tend to take what they say with a grain of salt and use what works for me and my family. For instance a couple of weeks ago I had a weight check. The plunket nurse in one breath commended me for continuing exclusively BF and then 5 sec later told me I 'Had" to introduce solids straight away. I'm just glad I'm doing BLW and trusting him and myself, as I still believe he isn't ready and if I was doing purees things would be a lot different.
Anyway, I guess it really comes down to doing what you feel is right. As long as you have your childs best interests at heart you really can't go wrong. -------------
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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 10:33pm
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Oh I agree with the thing about GP's too.. mine is useless but lovely... I only take Jake there for basic stuff otherwise its straight to the paed.
Most people with "normal" children dont have issues with Plunket.. its those that dare to fall outside their "normal" ideals that tend to have issues. -------------
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 10:39pm
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Nah .. I have issues with plunket too .. my kids are actually "advanced" by Plunket standards, but the way they "teach" new mothers to get their kids to sleep just did my head in.
Thankfully once you get to baby number two they back off because they figure you know what you are doing because youve managed not to kill the first one. ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 10:45pm
Love it and sooo true! -------------
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 10:56pm
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Could it be that your sippy cup atm doesn't get the milk or whatever you put in it out fast enough so he doesn't like it?
I would try a straw one, and also had advice from a dentist that drinking from a straw is a lot better than drinking from a cup as the fluid usually misses your teeth iygwim. But maybe that's irrelevant! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 17 July 2010 at 11:05pm
Thriving under Fives....they like the ones that thrive
but in saying that my Plunket nurse is awesome...tis the others that are not. ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: minik8e
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 12:35am
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My Plunket nurse rocks as well.
I don't trust some of the others though....an earlier one I had, growled me and said I wasn't feeding them girls enough (I was feeding 4 hourly instead of 3 hourly, as I had to wake them for feeds, and at 3 hourly they wouldn't feed properly). In the next breath, she told me how fantastically I was doing as Amber had put on 600g in 2 weeks. Yeah, she was really a starving baby. |
Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 1:02am
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I don't know anything about Plunket but certainly all the BF literature we have over here is to BF til they are a year at least and preferably to 2, and that they should not start solids til they are 6 months. But then the midwives/baby nurses it all varies what they say and it is probably based on what generation they grew up in ya know. -------------
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Posted By: ginger
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 8:22am
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I had trouble with Plunket as well - after a lengthy fight just to get a nurse to visit us, they were no help with sleep issues and when Cuinn was down to feeding every hour around the clock, they still came down on me really hard for trying to top him up with solids (it was through his 4th and 5th month). I could hardly stand up I was so exhausted! They had no solution for me at all, except give him a formula top up (he wouldn't take a bottle, or any other form of milk) and no solids We got through though, with a little bit of ignoring them ------------- Cuinn Lachlan 23.1.09 - 22:00 Antonia Helene 4.8.11 - 09:41 |
Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 7:50pm
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I changed my Plunket nurse. She had a poker face and was very hard to relate to and didn't seem interested in my baby. The one I saw the other day was lovely and helpful and interested in her job. To be honest I thought it was quite comical talking to the first one about PND - she looked as depressed as anything!!! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 9:57am
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Sorry I am going to thread-jack, but newlywed are you a nurse at Starship that deals with CAT scans and the like of that. If you are I would love to talk to you about that. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: Mum_mum
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 2:23pm
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My DD really liked the nuby cups with the soft spouts and it didnt take her long to figure it out. At first she sort of chewed them and the water would come out bu now she sucks and we have also just brought her a cheap Dinkee cup with the straw!
I do understand though about the wanting to wean at 12 months (I too want to do that and although people may think Im selfish, well I would have given more than 14 months up to someone else and would like a few months to myself before I give myself to another little being again!) Not getting at anyone, but I feel there isn't much support for those wanting to wean, or info about how we should go about weaning. I have no idea if I am meant to replace my BF with another type of milk for the health of my kid or do I not replace it with anything if she is eating enough cheese/yougart and milk on cereal? Although in saying that, my wee one might have other plans for me in giving up the night feed ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: anon
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 4:29pm
I don't work as a nurse in Starship anymore. And the only info I can give on Cat Scans is that there seem to be two - one is private that you pay for and one is public. But you're welcome to ask me anything else and if I know the answer I'll tell you! Hannahbil: I agree. I personally feel pretty proud of what I've achieved and fought for so far. But we're planning to TTC when DS is 12mths old and I think DH would like my boobs back too (sorry TMI)  Not to mention my other reasons I stated earlier!
Yes, I don't know how much milk he will need - he loves cheese and yoghurt and I know he'll like custard (I haven't given it to him yet - I'm not sure which custard is ok.... just the baby jars or also custard powder with milk in it or vanilla custard from a packet that you buy already mixed?) ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 8:20pm
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