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I recommend ditching the dummy. With my first we used a dummy which was necessary as he was a really sucky baby. But by about 5 months old it was doing my head in. I was getting up to him more times in the night than when he was a newborn - all to put the dummy in. We decided to go cold turkey. The first day we didn't give it to him for his first daytime sleep. Instead we gave him a lovely super soft toy which 'replaced' the dummy. We also used the verbal reassurance method by telling him it was sleepy time etc etc. I was prepared for hell, but it was surprisingly fine. The first sleep we let him cry for a bit and had decided to go back in and settle after 10 minutes. He cried for 7 minutes! The next sleep that day he cried for 3 minutes, the night time sleep he cried for 4 minutes and that was the end of it. By no means am I suggesting it will be that easy for everyone, but I had prepared myself for a week of sleepless nights and crying and we did it when DH and I were both able to support each other and share the load. Getting rid of the dummy was the best thing ever. His night waking stopped and he started sleeping from 7pm - 6/7am. Bliss. He also found his thumb in that time which helped.
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Originally posted by crafty1 crafty1 wrote:


That 79% not sleeping through stat is crazy, most babes i personally know have slept through by that stage if the parents are willing to work them to get it. If you're happy to get up in the night indefinitely then that's a different situation. I think most babies are capable of it, but need some help.


Same here!! I think its crazy when parents walk around half-dead with exhaustion because they think catering to their baby is the best thing to do. Its never the best choice when you can't cope.

Jake slept through with a dreamfeed at 6 weeks by himself - he was an angelic baby! Tyler was a freaking nightmare and at 5.5 months we spent almost 3 weeks letting him CIO at 3am after trying every single trick in the book. He just wanted to be up and he was determined enough to fight us! It was getting seriously bad for my health getting maybe 2 hours disturbed sleep which means all of the teeny buts of shuteye I was getting in between getting up to him equalled 2hrs. Even now it gives me the shudders remembering how shattered I was!! Anyway I'm just saying sometimes they're perfectly fine and totally capable of sleeping through (like my son!!) but they make it a little harder than other babies (like my son!!). Once you get through the nasty stuff you'll enjoy the sweet bliss of atleast 6 straight hours Both my kids now sleep a good 11-13hrs straight no probs and its awesome!
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Originally posted by TheBabe TheBabe wrote:



Same here!! I think its crazy when parents walk around half-dead with exhaustion because they think catering to their baby is the best thing to do. Its never the best choice when you can't cope.


Assuming they cant cope that is....


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I don't know where they got that 79% stat either, I was reading something similar in Littlies (I think their stat was 76% at 6 months) and I was shocked. In our coffee group (Wellington like you Emmi), about half were sleeping through from 2-4 months, others 5-6 months. There was one boy who wasn't sleeping through at a year old (he had major allergy problems) so they got a sleep expert in and he was sleeping through after a weekend. My DD1 slept through at around 2-3 months; DD2 at 3-4 months.

Like everyone has said, get rid of the dummy. I have no experience in this sorry, but instead of putting the dummy in can you pat her back to sleep, or put up with a bit of grumbling (should only take a night or two I'd think).
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Hmmm Im gona be controversial and say I don't really agree with the statements above about babies all sleeping through by a certain age unless they have props... It makes it all sound so simple, and maybe it is for some people and that's great but it hasn't been that way for us.

My DS used to sleep through from ages 2-4 months ish. Since then he has been waking once or twice a night.

He knows how to self settle, I put him in bed awake. He has a dummy, but he can sleep with or without it, and he knows how to put it back in himself and I've seen him do it. So when he wakes, it's not because he wants a dummy.

I have tried every trick under the sun that I have read on here, I have addressed temperature, made sure he's self settling, I turn him on his side and pat him on the back to settle I don't pick him up unless he's screaming and actually truly upset about something eg teeth. I have done verbal reassurance, he eventually goes to sleep but it hasn't stopped the night waking. I have left him to cry. I have fed him and not fed him, dream fed him- he wakes earlier when I do that. Every article I have read it, every trick I have tried it believe me. He has a very good, predictable routine and usually goes down easily unless something is bothering him.

And he sometimes sleeps through, maybe once a week. And sometimes he doesn't. Sometimes he wakes once, sometimes he wakes twice... if he's unwell like last night he wakes more. There's no predictability or pattern to it.

I am a very tired Mummy and I don't think I have bought it on myself by pandering to my baby's needs, I have been pretty firm about trying to remain in charge of it. I might be wandering around in a tired haze but it's not because I haven't tried to change that or be firm, Ive spent hours up doing verbal reassurance, not feeding and listening to trying etc etc.

I honestly think he will sleep through when he is ready to, as I know he knows how, he sometimes does it. He's a baby. He sometimes likes a bit of comfort in the night. Because half the articles you read say if your baby is doing x x and x, and you're not doing x x and x, then your baby will sleep through.. but what if they actually just don't want to? I don't always sleep through the night without waking.

Sorry if this is controversial I was caught in a tired moment but I just wanted to say that and stick up for the Mums like me who have tried a lot of things and spent a lot of time and effort worrying about and working on this

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Dummy dependency sounds like a pain!

DS - who didn't ever have a dummy - didn't sleep through the night until 8 months old and that was after an evening formula feed (rather than BF). Coincidence or not, the formula calories clearly filled him up and he wasn't hungry at night.

All babies are different. Frustrating though that when you have a poor sleeper, there are heaps of little angels.

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hear hear wiggly_jiggly. DS sometimes sleeps through, sometimes wakes once, sometimes twice, and every night this week has had a night feed then refused to resettle for 3+ hours while he holds a raging party in his cot. Last week he slept through each night 6 - 7. He self settles, can leave or take his dummy, and as he has and can sleep through for 11+ hours in the same routine, bedclothes etc i have to assume it is just how he's feeling at the time rather then anything i do or don't do. Weirdly, he slept through/best when he was sick and then teething. Now he feels better he appears to be celebrating in the night.
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Originally posted by wiggly_jiggly wiggly_jiggly wrote:

I honestly think he will sleep through when he is ready to, as I know he knows how, he sometimes does it. He's a baby. He sometimes likes a bit of comfort in the night. Because half the articles you read say if your baby is doing x x and x, and you're not doing x x and x, then your baby will sleep through.. but what if they actually just don't want to? I don't always sleep through the night without waking.


Agreed. Mason's 11 months tomorrow and still doesn't STTN. However, he did it solidy for two weeks at 9 weeks old and did it again for about 10 nights (well, 8pm-5am)just last month. (teething and a horribly cold + cough put paid to that real fast, so I know he can do it.
I'm exhausted and it makes me super sh*tty that he wakes in the night, but at the end of the day they'll sleep through when they're ready.
If they're hungry, feed them - don't worry about "pandering" to their needs. What difference does it make if it's day or night to their hunger. You don't not feed them at lunchtime just cos you don't want to, right?
And I think the whole size thing is bollocks.
Hannah was sleeping through the night by 5 months at only 6kg. Mason is 9.5kgs and still requiring food at least once before 5:30am.

I probably sound all judgy and mean, but babies are babies.
No two are the same (mine are proof of that!). Some just need extra food/comfort so why should they be deprived of that. I'm tired all the time, so I have complete empathy. if I could make Mason sleep through the night, great, but I've tried (believe me) and it doesn't work, so I've accepted he's a night waker and I look forward to the teen years where I have to drag him out of bed to get to school on time!

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My DD was/is a crappy sleeper. As a baby she had terrible reflux, and woke in the night most nights, not always for food, and would scream and grizzle, some nights I would give her a bottle and some nights I didn't, I just did what ever worked.

She still isn't a *great* sleeper and its not uncommon for me to be up a few times a night to settle her(whether that be to find her dummy, or just tuck her back in and pat her back for a bit.

She is 2 in August.

My son however was a fab sleeper and still is! I did the same things with them, but DD is just so different.

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Originally posted by MamaPickle MamaPickle wrote:

I look forward to the teen years where I have to drag him out of bed to get to school on time!


Me too MP! Me too!!


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DS 16 months still doesn't sleep through the night either, but I must admit I have not really tried CIO as it breaks my heart, and I figure if it makes me feel that way it isn't right. Plus when I have left him to cry for longer than 10 minutes or so, he has worked himself into such a state he has spewed. No way he will sleep then.

I have however, tried EVERYTHING else under the sun. He has no props (no dummy etc) and USED to be able to self settle. He USED to wake once or maybe twice, and we were getting there with just a quick cuddle and back to sleep. I could have lived with that.

Then he got five ear infections in a row, followed nicely by a urinary tract infection. So self settling went out the window (we had to sit in his room), sleeping day and night went out the window, even ended up with him coming into our bed and feeding at night which he hadn't done since 1 year old.

Now we are trying to work on getting him to feel secure enough to go to sleep on his own and stay in his own bed. It is a long slow process, and sometimes I do get angry/annoyed that he just won't sleep. But it is what it is
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