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Topic: When does clucky turn into obsessed?? Posted: 02 January 2011 at 10:20am |
DH and I were talking about a friend of ours and it got me thinking about when simple cluckiness turns into an all out obsession...
I dont want to sound too hipocritical as I know how much the urge to have a baby can overtake your life. I always wanted kids from a young age (as did DH) but after discussing thing, we decided on a few things we wanted to have done before having kids (such as wiping all smaller debts, getting married, DH to climb the career ladder to a certain point minimum etc). We achieved all of the things we wanted to and as a result, I can be a SAHM, which we both always wanted.
So this friend of ours...
Late 20s (so not old by any means), engaged to be married later this year (which sounds like it going to cost a bomb I might add). They are currently renting a house and not all that finacially stable (lots of HPs). They have been overseas and experienced a lot in that way - saved a lot of money but have since blown it all on...well...dont really know what. Her DF is also at a bit of a crossroads job wise and may look into something else, meaning bottom of the ladder etc.
Our friend is now at a point where she wants to settle down and have kids (with a huge amount of pressure bringing up the rear from her mother). A lot of friends and family of hers are currently pregnant or have small kids which I think she finds hard. He on the other hand, still wants to buy this, do this, experience this and that before being tied down. The discussion they have had lead to him putting his foot down and saying pretty much he doesnt even want to think about ttc until AT LEAST 12-18 months down the track.
As you can imagine, this is pretty devestating for our friend but she has agreed (I think in the hopes that he will change his mind).
This is where it all starts to get a bit odd....she has started buying baby stuff. And I dont mean a little bit here and there, I mean she has a room full of bags of things. She hasnt got anything big like a cot yet but I suspect its only a matter of time. She has nappies (cloth and some sposies), clothes (and a heap of them too), baby smelly stuff, toys, books, linen...I could go on and on. Anything on the smaller side, she has it and is continuting to add to it.
While I think its fine to buy the odd thing if your ttc or not far off doing so, or accepting a heap of 2nd hand stuff from a friend or family member, she actually goes out and buys these things. Given their financial situation, I find it all the more odd. She spends her nights trawling baby websites and trademe looking for bargins. Im concerned her obsession could scare off her DF in the meantime since he is no where near where she is.
Is this something other women would admit to having done? I was pretty clucky for YEARS before we were able to ttc and yet, I didnt even think about that sort of thing until we were already. Perhaps if it had taken longer to get pg, I may have bought more things here and there but they are MILES off that point.
Is this just good natured cluckiness, or is she going a bit OTT??
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Plushie
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 11:04am |
Maybe she is already 'trying' and is buying stuff like a mad thing because she knows it might be much less then a year before they have a baby. I know that sounds terrible but i know people who have had a "suprise" baby...a suprise for the male involved that is.
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 11:08am |
Would be even more crazy in my books if she was doing that. Her DF is totally against it at the moment so it would cause a huge amount of stress on the relationship if a wee 'accident' happened.
In saying that, you never know whats going on in someone elses head......
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 11:19am |
Hmmm she is clearly ready and wanting a baby. I guess try looking from her point. You and your DH had the same mind space and wanted the same things at the same time. You both agreed on when you would ttc and were both happy with that decision. Your friend obviously wants a baby now and is not happy with the decision made.
Me and my DH agreed on when we would ttc, but it took 4 years before we got our daughter. It is pretty hard to be in the mind space of being ready for a baby and not buy things. I went a little crazy at times shopping, but my DH understood.
You are right though in that it could scare her partner off if he is truly not ready. I feel for her cause she will either scare him off and then have to start all over again and will be a long time before being able to ttc or she will get to the 18 month point and he will still not be ready. One thing we found is there is never the perfect time. He needs to want a baby and aim for having things set in place so they can ttc.
Its great to have finances set in place, but that is not always a reality and people can make it work no matter what. My DH is a training accountant and on apprentice salary which is hard, but will pay off in at least another 4 years. There is no way we would have waited for that to happen before having a baby. She is our number one priority and even with low salary and a huge mortgage we were still able to put money aside and get everything we wanted for our baby.
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 11:57am |
That must be a really hard situation to be in, not being able to try and desperately wanting too. I imagine shopping and buying little bits and pieces helps make her feel a little bit better and like she at least gets to be part of that side of it. I used to go to baby shops all the time and always had a 'baby shower' story lined up if anyone I knew saw me hahaha though I didn't buy anything before I got pregnant as I was scared I'd jinx things (silly I know). But I did spend hours and hours AND hours online chatting and looking up fertility stuff. Though I was a bit obsessed and it pretty much did take over my life. But I thought of it as my hobby
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 12:16pm |
I started buying bits and pieces if I saw stuff marked right down for end of season sales etc (mostly clothing sets and odds and ends etc) after DP and I started talking about TTCing sometime down the track. As it happened it was another year before we started to TTC, by which time I had a large drawer full of new clothes, and a shelf in the hall cupboard with blankets/sheets sets etc... then it took another 2 years to get DD once we started TTC. I guess for me it was just something to keep reminding myself that 'one day' I'd get to use those things... In the end I gave most of it away because we were told just weeks before DD was concieved that we wouldnt concieve without the help of IVF... so I went home and decided I wanted it all gone! All the girl stuff went to my ex who'd just had a little girl with his new wife, and the boy stuff I gave to a friend who'd just had her 4th baby and didnt have much $ for nice new stuff.
Bigger stuff like pram/cot/highchair etc we left until I was pregnant enough to feel 'safe'
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 12:20pm |
I may have come off a bit insensitive - im not getting ready to ship her off to the nuthouse or anything and I do feel quite bad for her given her DFs mindset. I just wonder if her obsession is healthy or not given the extent of it. Im all for buying bits and pieces here and there but she practically has everything (except the larger furniture), and TBH it wouldnt surprise me if her DF went running for the hills. I dont really feel like I can support her as much as she *may* need it as we have what she wants IYKWIM.
I was really lucky in that my DH shared my way of thinking and I would have been devestated to be in her position.
As far as the money side of things, im not suggesting that you have to have finances in order before having a baby (so I hope that hasnt been taken the wrong way  ) but that we wanted to do that, and they have also talked about wanting that too. That is easier said than done and Im not suggesting everyone should wait until their mortgage is paid off fully, they have thousands in the bank and they have fantastic high paying jobs before considering ttc - if everyone did this, not many people would procreate!!  - but for us, paying off smaller debts (credit cards, small loans etc) was important.
ETA - correcting spelling
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 1:00pm |
hmm, my friend has been baby crazy since i've known her (and considering i've known her since she was a year old,thats a long time )
She is now 25,has been with her partner for 6 or 7 years and he has now come round to the idea of TTC sometime this year, she basically told him she was ready for a baby and that it wasn't fair to either of them if he didn't want one, so she told him to think about whether or not he wanted to cos there was no way she was going to get pregnant if he was 100 percent happy with it, anyway, he thought it over,decided he didn't want to lose her, did want a baby after all and they will start trying I think in september...I can't remember.
She is a nanny, fantastic with children, (tho she still has a lot to learn but that will come when shes a mum ) so helpful with my two.
When her baby is born she will be pretty set....she has boxes of clothes shes been collecting, a pram (a quinny no less ) a car seat and I think a cot , all in storage.
Some people think shes obsessed/stupid for doing it ,and its not that she doesn't realise things can go wrong, but her wanting a baby is so bad and has been for so long that this is the way she chose to channel her desperation, it makes her feel better to buy things so why not....and since shes using money she earns from working hard all day,who am I to begrudge her that?
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 1:06pm |
Awww Babykatnz stink you gave all the baby stuff away, but guess at the end of the day just getting DD would have been such a blessing that you wouldn't care anyway
Chelle I was lucky lots of people gave stuff to me after having their kids for future use. It was nice to be thought of so didn't have to go and buy lots, but was able to play around with the stuff I did have  - so hard not to shop when there is so many cute baby things aye!
You weren't insensitive at all KerryLea. Sometimes we see things about one another we don't see ourselves or just can't understand from that point of view  I guess all you can really do is be a friend to her and be there when she needs it. Have you thought about talking to her about this. She may just open up to you about how she is feeling and might be just what she needs and who knows, may be she will relax a bit and stop buying things and wait a while. I hope things work out for her.
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 1:10pm |
After my origional post i was reminded - of all things - about Juno. Remember her step mom was doing dog cross-stitch, dog collages, had dog toys, the whole lot because she wanted dogs but Juno was allergic?
Anyway, i sounded like a crazy-cynical b**ch, not everyone has friends like mine!
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 2:36pm |
Thanks for the responses. In a way, Im glad that there are others out there that do the same - its good to know other peoples point of views on the matter. I have only really talked to DH about it and he thinks shes gone nutty (mans perspective for ya) but like you said thekelly, it seems to just be a way for her to chanel her feelings about wanting a baby now and not being able to.
I will just let it be at this stage. If she starts actually setting up a baby room I might have a word, more to prevent her scaring off her DF more than anything else...
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 6:49pm |
I have a pram (MB) sitting in the garage.
it is an older model but in fantastic condition and was only $40 at the 2nd hand shop.
i didnt plan on keeping it but i havent been able to sell it yet
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 8:43pm |
I dont think there is anything wrong with buying stuff and wanting to be prepared, and I certainly wouldnt say she is obsessed. The longing for a baby can be a very powerful thing when its something you badly want, and it sounds as though she is feeling the baby ache, and buying things probably makes her feel better and helps her get though that time while she is waiting to TTC.
I say just leave her be, if its what she wants to do then thats her buisness
The only thing Id be worried about though, is if god forbid, she finds it hard to fall pregnant, the stuff there might be constant reminder etc.. but other than that, shes just a typiucal clucky female
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 8:43pm |
you sound quite down on your "friend" and like you dont think she should have kids at all! I had baby woolens in my glory box for years before i even had a man!
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 8:56pm |
Im not being nasty to her and yes, she is my friend. WIthout a doubt I think she should have kids when she is ready. Thats not really the question here.
All I was really wanting to know was if others have done this well before ttc as personally, I didnt know anyone else who had bought as much stuff as she has - bits here and there, yes, but not this much.
My main concern with the situation (of which, I have in no way put my nose into and do not have any intention of doing) was that her DF is already showing signs of frustration to what HE calls 'her weird obsession'. I would hate to see their relationship (which is otherwise a great one) fall apart because of this.
Sort of wishing I didnt post this topic now as I feel like I have come across as a bitch
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 9:04pm |
Nah,you haven't, well not to me, you've come across more as someone who is genuinely puzzled and confused by your friend's behaviour,and I would be lying if I said I never raised an eyebrow at some of the purchases my friend has made (which I remember now included a bassinette )
But to answer your original question,its reasonably normal, I think quite a few women put things away before they are TTC and mostly I think cos they want to feel like they are doing something.....
There were times my friend's partner got annoyed with her buying things but he just learnt to accept that thats who she is.
You sound like you are genuinely concerned about her relationship, it may pay to subetly ask her what her DF thinks of her purchases ...and if she says hes not impressed maybe suggest she limit the buying to every few months or whatever...
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 9:10pm |
Thanks Kelly, thats reassuring
Although her situation doesnt affect me in the slightest, it is also something I had never thought to do (probably as I got pregnant very quickly, who knows what a bit of time would have meant) and like I say, I dont know anyone who has gone to the same extent as she has. The only reason DH and I started talking about it was the fact that her DF mentioned it in a 'my fiances a crazy lady' type way.
My post did come out of genuine concerned for her but glad to know its all very normal to do this when you really want to start a family.
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 9:17pm |
I don't think it makes her obsessed, just prepared for the 'what if' maybe.
I am only 20 so hadn't really thought about babies and the only stuff I had 'saved' were my soft toys, sheets, blankets, duvets, some books...
I know from my gran the moment she met my granddad she started collecting everything and they didn't have kids for almost 5 years!
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 9:22pm |
That makes me feel a bit sad for her.
Im not really sure whether I would class her as being obsessed? I think I only bought a few things before I was UTD, while we were TTC.
Does her DF know about all the stuff she is buying?
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Posted: 02 January 2011 at 9:40pm |
Most of the stuff is stored in their spare room so unless he is living under a rock, he knows about it. He has also mentioned it to DH and I. She does keep a bit at her mums as well - not sure if he is aware of that stuff.
I would like to add it was her DFs and DH who used the term obsessed in the first instance. I would call it more 'over-prepared'
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