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    Posted: 07 February 2011 at 6:59pm
Has anyone done this with a child under 9 months and had success? how long did it take to sort the issue out?

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Please dont do this to your bubba, have you tried the verbal re-assurance technique first? The sleep store has lots of great info. Most of the mummys in the April 2010 thread have recently done VR, pop in and ask away if you want. Below is a link about CIO and the damage it causes your bubba's brain.

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thanks for your input aethelia

I understand this is a controversal topic, with several different trains of thought
Sleep deprivation can cause similar issues depending on what you read

Feel free to PM me with different experiences if you dont want to rock the boat

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What is the issue you are having?
I've not had to use this method as I have found other ways to get DD to sleep, leaving her to cry she ends up unconsolable and makes herself more upset, I find it upsetting too.
Found it easier to simply pick her up and give her a cuddle and reassurance before putting her back into her cot and rocking her to sleep.

I also make sure I put her to bed when she is tired and she goes to bed the same time every night after she's had her bath / feed. I haven't had tears at bed time for a few weeks.

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Hi , she just cries as soon as I leave the room, but if I stick my boob in her mouth her eyes roll back and she is out like a light, but only for 20 mins , and so I feed her again and again til she is just exhausted and crashes out. The dummy dosent have the same effect
We have been doing VB or controlled crying but she has decided its not cool and while at first she was great, she has clicked to the fact I will only leave her for so long
I have a toddler too,I cant sit on the couch with my boobs out just to stop her from crying, but she needs to sleep! at the moment I am getting maybe 10 hours in 24 - not healthy!
I have done the pick up / put down too, and this method just makes her cry harder - as does VB to some extent

She can do it - her 10 hour sleep is overnight - she occasionally wakes once - I just give her a feed, burp her change her if she needs it and put her down again - half awake and she just turns her head and goes to sleep quite happily

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I will try and find this thing someone sent me from here ages ago, its controlled crying but with a method which helps, I passed it to half my ante natal group and they had huge success, it worked with DS and i don;t remember it being painful.

Its great she can sleep for long periods, so she'll get there, PM me your email address and i'll find the online book thing, cannot remember for the life of me at the min what its called.


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All I've been doing for day sleeps is putting her into her sleep sack (got a light weight one for day time), put her mittins on and pop the dummy in her mouth sometimes I give it a wee tap so she'll suck and I play a music CD (sounds of surf/instrumental stuff) for her, I draw the curtains.

I don't feed to sleep any more too sore on my breasts, DD is spilly enough without giving her more milk, I found when she stops feeding properly I unlatch her and stick the dummy in this seems to be working.

Have you tried the controlled crying method? Where you time how long you leave her for rather than leaving her to cry herself to sleep.

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Ok I won't comment on CIO cos I my opinion will rock the boat  but have I read correctly that you're getting TEN hours sleep out of 24??? and your baby's only 6 months old? Well done. May I say (not being sarcastic either) congrats and I am *mega* jealous. I know 10 hous isn't great, but it sure as heck bets 6. Or less (and yes that's in 24 hours...not overnight)  


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I used the sleep easy solution - so that is controlled crying - or verbal reassurance - whichever phrase you prefer, and for the first half hour I shushed her every 10 mins then stretched it out to 15 mins for up to 2 hours - the first time I used it - I gave her a feed after that - then tried again for an hour and a half - but it got the better of me - I put her in the car and she was asleep before I even left the drive way!

Oh Emmecat thats awful! isnt crazy when babies are soo different - your babe is still pretty little - Id get a hammock if mine were still tiny and only sleeping that much - you must be exhausted!! I hve a cariboo bassinet you can swing if you want to borrow it

This is my second child - Im not just putting it in the 2 hard basket - she is well - chubby - well fed - happy as anything while awake - very close to me - and developing well in every other aspect - she just knows how to pull my heart strings
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Hugs hun, this was Jake but his was from silent reflux. He would just scream and scream and scream but slept well over night. We were averageing 7-10 hours per day (well he was and I was getting about 2-4 hours) and it was hideous.

I still dont know what to do, he still screams at bedtime, they only way to get him to nap in the day is to let him fall asleep on me and transfer him to his bed (I have tried everything and its the ONLY thing that works). We still have periods of night waking and screaming (this came after he stopped feeding through the night, his choice not mine). Last week I had 3 nights of each of them waking 2 hourly, at intervals so I was getting 20 mins sleep every hour I was in bed.. Woohoo!

I have come to the conclusion that Jake is either lonely, having night terrors or both. Once Ollie drops his night feeds the boys will start sharing and I am hoping this will help Jake.

I just cant handle CIO, it makes us all too upset, but I know people who use it. I also appreciate being at the end of your tether and not knowing what else to do and how lack of sleep affects your baby. Jake didnt grow and lost a large amount of weight at the height of his sleep issues as a wee babe and still now if he is having a bad sleep period his weight drops off rapidly

Im no help really, just want to give you big hugs!


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Oh Melnel thats awful too who am I to complain!

We did have spilly windy issues earlier and she was put on losec but Once I stretched out her feeds and gave her infacol it subsided thankfully. And yeah she only grew 1 cm in 6 weeks which was when I resorted to controlled crying
My big girl has times where she wakes lots too, its a killer

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I will also not offer my personal opinnion :-) BUt please think twice before using the CIO method.

Have you got a carrier/sling so you can wear her ? Then you can still do things you need to and your LO will get some sleep.



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she dosent like being wrapped and TBH she is too big for me to do anything with her in the sling

And I am thinking twice pudgy - more than that even - thats why Im asking for experiences and opinions - and I have done the research - believe me the last thing I want is to hear my precious girl crying or for her to feel abandoned
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Originally posted by Raspberryjam Raspberryjam wrote:

she dosent like being wrapped and TBH she is too big for me to do anything with her in the sling

And I am thinking twice pudgy - more than that even - thats why Im asking for experiences and opinions - and I have done the research - believe me the last thing I want is to hear my precious girl crying or for her to feel abandoned


Are you able borrow something a bit sturdier ? Mei tai or SSC ?
I don't want to bang on about slings etc but if she is close to you she might settle easier. My DS loves his mama too and goes through some seperation anxiety.
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I would look into CC before looking into CIO.

IMO CIO is cruel. How would you feel if you were left to just cry, esp when that is your only way of communicating?
When they get hysterical, some babies can hyperventilate and some can even vomit and if they are quite young they can then choke on their vomit.

No sleep sucks, trust me, My DD is 11.5 mo and still can't seem to sleep longer than 2 hours *sigh*.

I had good success with CC and she also learned to self settle. Basically it was just make sure she went down happy, changed, fed, burped, etc and leave for 3 mins, if still crying then go back in and reassure/check and leave for 5, etc but no longer than 7 mins and keep repeating 7 mins until she goes to sleep. But if they're hysterical then obviously you go into them. We found it only took the one time and she cried for about 20 mins before going to sleep. She then learned to crawl and it all went out the window but I've done it again today and again it only took the one time and she only cried for 2 mins then decided to just play/chat away in her cot for about an hour before going to sleep.

Is it just for day sleeps? Would she sleep in a pram?
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whats a ssc? I use a unido when I do the groceries and I can count on one hand how many times she has fallen asleep

How do you pick up your big girl? when you have your son in a sling? or do the dishes or go to the toilet or make a coffee - I think Im just giving her another sleep association if I wear her

I dont think she is having anxiety - she is quite happy with out me until she is tired - then she just wants booby to sleep

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Im trying to tackle this before she crawls lil_nic - and yeah I do think about how she would feel
I havent ever let her get hysterical and I can hear her on the monitor (disturbingly!)

She needs training for day sleeps and bedtime

Im not opposed to using the CC again, but Id rather not have to do it all the time or not have her sleep when is older
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Have you tried just sitting in with her and reading. I use to sit by eldests bed for ages some nights, it's not ideal but it beats leaving them to cry and it's not long till they learn to comfort themselves without you. And by read I mean I was just reading to myself to pass the time not reading to baby, and would pat and shush where needed whenever he started to get upset.

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RJ I'm just wondering what you need this for if she sleeps 10 hours at night? Is she not settling well for day sleeps, only night time ones? We have tried CC rather than CIO (that makes me too upset) but one of our daughters used to gulp too much air when she was crying and then be full of burps - so needed us to settle her afterwards in any event. Maybe something like that is bothering her.
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Sorry, hope my post didn't come off as harsh!

I can't really offer any advice as I've only done CC and that worked brilliantly for us (but obviously not all babies take to it right away).
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