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    Posted: 30 May 2013 at 9:10pm
Hi everyone!

I've started this thread so there is a dedicated area for those using TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) and/or Chinese Acupuncture to share their stories.

After 11 months of trying, I have started seeing a chinese medicine and acupuncturist. Her main concern with treating me is to rid me of "dampness" - my acne and excess mucous (sorry if TMI!) which can impair my body and its ability to function normally.

After that, she said she really needs to work at improving the warmth in my blood - I run very, very cold.

My blood tests from dr's indicate nothing is wrong with me. DH has "super swimmers". My periods are what is considered "normal" in western medicine (2-3 days max, light, stop/start nature with clotting, not very red, and a couple of days spotting at the end). In chinese medicine, they are not considered normal at all and are a sign that my blood flow and uterine lining is not good.

That's the short of my story, ill add more tidbits as we go along

I look forward to hearing what everyone else's experiences have been like!
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Oh and here are some questions to answer:

1. How often do you have acupuncture?
2. How long have you been having chinese acupuncture?
3. What herbs, if any do you take and how often?
4. have you noticed and improvement with your cycle and/or hormones?

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1. i've had 2 sessions, go back for 3rd on CD6 (monday).
2. Only just started
3. im on some concoction of ground herbs that i mix in with a 1/3rd cup of water and drink like a tea twice a day. i have no idea what they are!
4. not so far, except i had no PMT headache before getting AF which was quite good!
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Not TTC with acupuncture currently ( may do this year though) I love this subject..

I have had Acupuncture recently to help my early pg nausea (am no longer pg). I also have dampness. I was told to adjust diet.

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How did you go with the adjusting diet thing? I'm already gluten-free, but got told to avoid cold food and raw food - as well as add cinnamon and warming spices to as much food as possible. I also got told I needed to up my red meat intake a wee bit - think that was to do with 'building' my blood more than the dampness.

Also told to avoid alcohol, bananas, peanuts, dairy to help rid the dampness, and lemon in hot water every morning.
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I didn't adjust my diet really I was told to avoid bananas, dairy (except yogurt), wheat, caffeine, peanuts, alcohol, etc
I eat mostly gluten free anyway, not because I have an intolerance, but because its a preference of mine, I actually have a personal aversion to flour.. It sounds crazy.. And I hate explaining it to people cos I get the weirdest looks But I can't physically touch flour (well not easily) so its basically a phobia, I can't eat baking with it in it, I'm very picky with breads etc.. I tend to eat gluten free or very grainy breads with limited flour. And when I bake, I bake flourless with ground almonds or any alternative instead of flour........... I swear, I'm not a total freak
But I'm not gluten free totally as I have things like pearl barley, soy sauce and the occasional treat
But cutting out bananas, dairy, and peanuts would have been SO hard! I eat those things daily.. Well peanut butter I love! Bananas and banana smoothies for breakfast quite often. And at the time I was told this... I was horrendously sick with first trimester nausea and was literally LIVING on bananas, crackers and peanut butter on GF toast!
I would love to try the diet, but I've never been good at cutting out whole food groups so I'm quite aware it may not last long if I was to try!
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your wheat aversion is quite funny! had a giggle imagining someone explaining it to me hope you don't mind! actually my DH is the worst for not liking foods for no reason other than texture so i kind of understand it

i've been off caffeine since march, but i still get a small intake from raw cacao powder (i love this stuff, make hot chocs with it and bliss balls) and the black tea in chai, but i have fresh chai so i've decided its okay :) i really miss coffee some days though!

interesting my acupuncturist told me that those who suffer bad morning sickness usually have bad dampness before falling pregnant. she thinks that getting on top of it now before conceiving is a really good thing for not having it when I do fall pregnant.

talking about bananas and peanuts makes me think of peanut butter muffins...they are amazing. think mashed banana, peanut butter and blueberries baked in the oven...incredible!

i don't feel much different, but my skin is kind of okay at the moment, so maybe its all working?
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Don't worry, I get lots of laughs from my flour phobia!! I'm used to it, and full know it's weird

Hmmm that really makes me want to get on top of my dampness before falling pregnant again, I was SO sick, I was like "I'm never getting pregnant again" (kinda like when you have a hangover..... "I'm never drinking again!!" )
But I seriously was the sickest I've ever been, I missed out on the gorgeous summer we had all over the country and missed a good friends wedding and so many other fun events, as well as 4 weeks of work! Only to lose the baby at week 19..... Life is mean right??!!

Anyway, back to full health now and TTC but dreading morning sickness!!!
P.s they should call it 'all day all night sickness'

Because I was so severely sick I could have quite bad dampness? Mind you, my diets so much better these days, but still not perfect for a diagnosed "dampy" I have milk, bananas, peanut butter daily, and occasionally have wheat other dairy and caffiene/coffee
God... Those muffins do sound amazing...
Eating to cure dampness is not something that would be easy I am going to try wean myself away from dairy as much as possible and onto almond milk or something as a step in the right direction!

I'd love to know what herbs you take Pity your acupuncturist didn't write them down for you..
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Hi ladies,
So glad to have this thread up and running. We have been TTC#2 for over 18months now and I'm on my 2nd cycle of clomid (the first one was a bust as I produced too many follicles and thus we couldn't BD w/o protection).

Anyway, if this cycle doesn't work on clomid I want to start acupuncture as well (we'll try one more cycle of clomid after this and then we'll move on to IUI which I would defiantly like to combine with acupuncture)

Anyway my question is, does anyone have a recommendation for a good fertility acupuncturist in Auckland?

Lots of sticky baby dust to all,

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Hi there, DH and I have been TTC # 1 since March 2011 and have just finished my first IVF cycle. I'm pretty keen to see what other things I can do to improve chances and am keen to try acupuncture. I google'd "acupuncture for infertility auckland" which came up with this site, which I thought had useful tips:

http://infertilityinfo.co.nz/choosing-a-good-acupuncturist/
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I hope you don't mind ladies if I lurk in here, if things don't happen for us its something I'll def be looking at
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Hi ladies... great thread!

I've been going to acupuncture for 5 weeks now. Have been going once a week (missed 4th week as had other commitments) but other than that, plan to keep going every Wednesday.

Had never temped until seeing her - had always been pretty certain of when I ov (sometimes get twinges on one side) and cycles are always pretty much spot on (27 days). One interesting thing she told me is she didn't think it was a good thing to feel cramps when you're ovulating... anyone else been told that? Anyway, she wanted me to start temping as she said that she could gather quite a bit of info about hormone levels and other things when looking at charts.

Other than that, she has put me on a 6 week detox, it's called 'Heel Detox' (Heel is a company that makes homeopathic products). Pretty simple, just add drops to 1.5ltrs of water and drink it daily. Has given me a bit of a headache over the first few days but apparently that's normal when your body is getting rid of toxins. Not taking any other herbs.

n00b, haven't been seeing her long but her name is Angelique Kingsley-Smith. She is in Sandringham. I find her really lovely. If you want to find out more about her her website is www.acupuncturehealth.co.nz

Can't wait to see how we all get on and if acupuncture is going to help


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Hey everyone!

red tulip, i hope you find temping helpful, it does give a lot of indication i think about hormone levels and how well they are progressing. the detox sounds interesting, are you expected to notice anything different with your cycle whilst on it?

noob, im not in auckland sorry so can't recommend anyone, but red tulips lady might be a good start?

nervousmama, lurk away! open to anyone who wants to contribute :)

my update - just had appt with acupuncturist, its CD6 for me. My period was already way better - it was still really light, but went for 4 days continuous, no clots, a lot thinner and more red (which is apparently very good). also, only 1 day of spotting too and it was also red, not brown. no PMT headache either for the first time ever. this is all a very good sign that the herbs/acupuncture have had a positive impact on the last half of my cycle.

My digestion issues look to be resolved, she said my abdomen is perfect and my pulse indicates I am ready for the blood building herbs, which is really exciting! i'm doing weekly appts this month i think just to keep on top of it.

also, she told me that stress is definitely not a factor with me - she said my pulse doesn't indicate this at all, there is no tension in me. I found that really reassuring, all those "just relax and it will happen" people are wrong! i knew I wasn't stressed. it was nice to hear that from someone in the know.
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oh and charlys, i had a quick look-see at my notes, and it looks like my herbs are made up of a concoction of about 8-10 different herbs! she used shorthand notes so couldn't tell what they were.
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does accupunture hurt?? I have a small phobia
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Hi everyone!

Great thread :) We have been TTC for almost a year now, and I have been seeing an acupuncturist for 10 weeks.

I see her twice in a cycle (my cycles are around 5-6 weeks long), once before I ovulate and once after. She puts needles in differet spots depending on where I'm at in my cycle.

She hasn't said anything about herbs but she did say she thinks I have a blood definiciency and I am running cold. She suggested I take iron and CoQ10 and also to eat warm foods, use a hot water bottle, keep my feet warm etc.

She also gave me a book by Zita West 'Fertility and Conception' which has a detox in it for liver cleansing. I did it, but honestly detoxing doesn't agree with me, I ate way more bad food afterwards than I usually would. I think I'm better to try to eat a healthy diet consistently. Other than that she hasn't really talked to me much about food. She did suggest coffee and alcohol aren't great, but she said if it's stressful to cut them out completely I should think about cutting down to say, one coffee per week and really enjoying it.

My two cycles since seeing her have been my shortest yet, so I'm pretty happy with that. We actually fertlized an egg this cycle too, but unfortunately it is a chemical pregnancy (the second time this year). So that sucks. I'm seeing her on Thursday this week so it'll be interesting to see what she thinks about this happening to me again and whether she will adjust anything she's doing with me.

Anyway, sorry for the novel! Love to hear other people's experiences!

OH, and I live in Mt Maunganui and see Jackie Burkett at Pure Acupuncture. She is really lovely and knowledgeable, I would definitely recommend her.
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Originally posted by nerv0usmama nerv0usmama wrote:

does accupunture hurt?? I have a small phobia


Most of the needles don't hurt, I actually can't even feel some of them. Before I ovulate she puts a needle over each ovary and when she twists them, the ovary I am going to ovulate from hurts a bit - but nothing major. There's a couple of other points that feel a bit painful when she turns them (a bit like a burning sensation). But I'm sure if you explained your phobia they would take it slow with you!

A friend of mine has a needle phobia and sees the same acupuncturist as me - she doesn't get the needle in the forehead because it freaks her out :)
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hi nervous, it doesn't hurt, you hardly feel it. theyre usually really good at distracting you so you don't even know the needle has gone in! and like what julietta says, sometimes you get a warm, kind of burning sensation when they turn it.

awesome info julietta! i run cold and have dampness, but looks like we've got the dampness sorted after 3 weeks which is pretty good, i just have to keep up the dietary things as much as possible for that. all the things you have been suggested are really good, the other things are to try and include cinnamon and other warming spices in as much of your food as possible - chai tea is excellent. i put a bit of black pepper, chilli, or cayenne pepper in to as many dinner meals now as possible.

with the detox thing, sugar is a really hard thing to break - try replacing it with pure maple syrup if you can, or even honey. then just reducing your dairy intake (except for yoghurt) should help. pretty much like you said, if you eat healthier all the time, then that is better. Meat and green veges is pretty much a fail-safe dinner option!
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This is a great thread - lots of interesting info! Redtulip, I might try your acupuncturist. :)
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That's great Chan... she really is nice and very down to earth... the more of us in here the merrier I say!
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Hi guys,
So I had an appointment with my acupuncturist tonight. She is honestly worth every cent I pay - she is like a counsellor, acupuncturist and fertility expert all in one!!

She talk me through my miscarriage and explained reasons why I could be having recurrent early miscarriages, went into great detail explaining different causes, when I told her I had requested a referral to Fertility Associates she told me what I can expect, what questions I should ask and what tests to request - she even gave me a book and emailed me a heap of information. She is seriously amazing!!

I feel such relief after talking to her. She described this whole experience as "soul destroying" and that's exactly how it feels!

Anyway, just wanted to get this all off my chest! x
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