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    Posted: 04 August 2011 at 1:14pm
My little man is 14 weeks and a little snugglebug, I admit that I've gotten myself into this predicament but I have no idea how to get out of it.

I've gotten us into a position where he thinks he NEEDS breast to go to sleep and to stay asleep. This means that for a sleep (during the day) he needs me to feed him, then leave him on my lap/side so he can re-attach at will. The other day he spent 1 1/2 hours suckling while he slept.

If I put him in his cot awake he screams the house down.
If I put him in his cot asleep it lasts about 5 min (10 min max).
If I try walking/jiggling him to get him to sleep, I usually give in after about 30min of crying as he wants breast or nothing!

My little man knows what he wants, and it's me ALL day long. I need some separation. Right now he's asleep in my bed after I've spent 2hrs - oh no that didn't last.

So, any suggestions on how I can get some separation? I'd rather not leave him to cry, but even when I do it doesn't seem to help as after 5 - 30 min I give in and feed him to sleep anyway. I really don't think I can leave him longer than that, he just howls and howls.

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It's probably just a phase. DS tends to go through these little stages every few months but totally comes out the other side his usual self-settling, good sleeping self.
I would just give him what he needs...obviously you...and go with the flow...but I'm sure that's easier said than done with a toddler as well!

He could be going through a growth spurt too and just wants to east 24/7.


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Personally I don't think a baby can ever be "too attached". You are his whole world and the fact he wants/needs you with him is normal, and a testament to your parenting.

My son was/is much the same, people suggested dummies but I personally don't like them, and they didn't work anyway.
Do you have a carrier of some description that allows him to be with you, but gives you hands to be able to continue on with your day?
 
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That is my ds to a T. And he is still the same now at 18 mnths. I agree with mamat, I don't think babies/children can be too attached.

I suggest getting a sling/wrap/carrier. He will get his fix of mama and yous will be able to o things at the same time.   
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I absolutely don't think there's such a thing as too attached if it suits Mum and Bubs. On the other hand, I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting a bit of a break to lie down yourself when Bubs is asleep, if that's what you'd prefer!

I don't know if I'd leave a three-month old to cry too long, personally, so don't feel bad that you'd rather not! Can you try something else that bounces him a little, like a swing or hammock?

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He won't take a dummy, he knows it's not the real thing.
If I put him in a moby he goes to sleep eventually, but shortly wakes up demanding his breast back for his mid-nap snack. Then I end up with him suckling for the rest of the nap again.
I need some away time, I think on average I get about 20 min non-baby time per day till DH gets home.
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I recommend Kathy Fray's Sleep chapter in her Oh Baby book.

While I understand that people believe you can't be 'too attached' but sometimes life (i.e. having other children) means you can't reasonably be expected to be 100% attached to your baby.
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I'm another you cant be too attatched believer. Do you think it would be possible for you to breastfeed in the moby? I feel your pain, i really do - DS self settled from 4ish months til a few weeks ago with no problems. Before that he was just like your DS sounds, except he didnt sleep suckle but did have to sleep on me. I went nuts, sitting on the couch, him sleeping, me mentally tallying the jobs i could be doing if only he were in his cot. Lately he requires cuddling to sleep at all times and we are no co-sleeping as he likes to have me nearby during the night. But i am always being complimented on how happy and content and laid back he is which i put down fully to our attatchment, he has no reason to cry because i'm always there to meet his needs. For us this style of parenting is working fantastically though i understand its not for everyone. I know its probably not the answer you were looking for but i thought i'd add my perspective to everyone elses replie. Good luck
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Could he have reflux? The endless needing to suck and waking up screaming if you take the boob away sounds a lot like my DD used to be. The sucking and milk soothed her throat and let her sleep. I also tried a dummy to no avail, I'm guessing because she was after the soothing sensation of the milk rather than the sucking action.

You could try tilting his cot up to see if that helps?

If you are feeling caged by his behaviour, it's perfectly ok to work on changing it. If you are happy but other people are hassling you that he's too attached, it's perfectly ok to continue as you are
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Going against the grain slightly I totally get you needing to not be attached to your wee man 24/7.

Both my girls would only sleep on us (thankfully not suckling) for weeks. While it was so lovely, it got extremely tiring and frustrating. What helped us was getting Natures Sway hammocks and going back to very firm swaddling and dummies. My girls didn't like them either but we perservered and they did the trick.

Have you checked out The Sleepstore website? There is a huge range of sleep info on there for different age & stage babies.
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someone suggested I try a different brand of dummy - fingers crossed
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Unlike the other mums Im not into attachment parenting.So choose weather you listen to my tips or not.

I believe in a good solid breast/bottle feed. (not snack feeding)good burb, a good cuddle/play/chat/goo/gaa/change and then wrapped into bed awake not to be seen till the next feed.

I love my babies but I love my time and time with my other children too. Its also important to have time for you and DH as a couple and with a baby swinging off you 24/7 this can affect even the most stable of relationships. Not to mention the tired/exhaustion carrying / bf a baby on demand can induce.

I found with my DD she really needed a routine at around 9wks I implemented this and it was amazing, I also implemented a dummy, a dummy with the tiniest newborn teet. try a chemist I found best for this, baby shops seem to have huge dummys. There was rules about the dummy for me. only once I knew she had a good feed/play/cuddle then wrapped into bed with the dummy. she only needed a dummy for 2-3weeks until her sucky reflux thing disappeared and awake to sleep rather than feed to sleep was established. dummy never to be seen again.

Basics in my style routine at 3month stage for a routine is 1 hour up and 2hour down. so feeding 3hourly cycle

As I said its not the attachment parenting theory but a differnt approach to what other mums have suggested above. it sounds like baby on you 24/7 is getting a little draining and you are not a bad mum for saying or feeling this way.

So choose weather you listen to my tips or not Im not offended Im just telling you what worked for me and that was trainig my baby to fall asleep without my boobs or arms.
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Girls Rock - i swear i am not writing this to get at you, i am genuinely curious - when you put your awake fed changed baby to bed what do they do? Do they go to sleep or fuss or what? Also if they wake up earlier then the next feed time do you get them up and adjust the routine or do they wait?

ETA: Isaacsmum hope the change of dummy helps. DS didnt take one at all (though he was the same, a constant sucker) until he was 3.5 months. And even then it was a specific brand. And while i had two the same he would only take one of them. Go figure. Hope you find a solution you're happy with.

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Originally posted by Bowie Bowie wrote:

Girls Rock - i swear i am not writing this to get at you, i am genuinely curious - when you put your awake fed changed baby to bed what do they do?


I'm not the OP, but that's how I put Jacob to bed, mostly because it was the only way to get him to sleep (weird baby). If I timed it right, he's talk to himself (usually for five - ten mins, sometimes up to 45 minutes, which really weirded me out, although OB ladies assured me that some babies just do that) and then nod off. If I was a bit out, he'd cry - if I was lucky, he'd grizzle and go to sleep, if I was unlucky he'd howl - and at that point it didn't matter if he was up or down or what, he got in a tizzy, and it was really about waiting it out (although I didn't leave him to cry when he was really little, I just held him while he cried and as soon as he stopped for a moment, put him down again - awake - and crossed fingers and hoped). He used a dummy, and that helped a lot.

ETA that the Nuk dummies were the only ones Jacob would take - he took to them well, so maybe worth a try if you haven't already.

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Thanks Hopes! I didnt really mind who answered lol i was just curious. Max was a bit of a 'put me down and go away thank you very much' for a few months but when he was little and in the last few weeks he's gone back to wanting to be snuggled to sleep. I know if i tried to put him down when he wanted snuggling he'd scream the roof down so was more curious if other babies just casually went to sleep and if mine is nuttier then a nutbox.

ETA: Nuk was the only type Max would take too and i AM NOT saying this to be a scaremonger but just last week i went in to check in on him and he'd stuffed the entire thing in his mouth and the wing was stuck behind his gum, poor lad was besides himself. The same thing happened to Limochicks little girl with the same brand. I dont know if our bubs just have big mouths of if they're poorly designed or what...

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I had a similar problem, but more just wanting to be held than fed to sleep and I found swaddling, white noise and the hammock really helped and some sleeps he still slept on me or in a sling. So maybe try the white noise too?

I had a CD, but I've heard radio static works well too.
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he's got a technique resistant strain of anti-sleep.
I've tried and failed with white noise/car trips/swaddling/pram/dummies. Today he had a 2 1/2 hour nap (yay) but i had to re-latch him about every 15min for him to stay asleep.

i ordered one of those battery powered rocker/glider things today, and bought two new dummies (which he promptly rejected).

DH is all for hard line (followed by him walking DS2 up and down the hall way for an hour).
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Bowie, did you know lots of dummies have a specific age they are recommended for? Maybe it's time he went up to the next size? But yeah, I've noticed the Nuk dummies have much smaller tops too.
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Originally posted by IsaacsMum IsaacsMum wrote:

he's got a technique resistant strain of anti-sleep.
I've tried and failed with white noise/car trips/swaddling/pram/dummies. Today he had a 2 1/2 hour nap (yay) but i had to re-latch him about every 15min for him to stay asleep.


I still think this sounds like it could be reflux? This sounds a lot like my DD was and once I got on top of her pain issues, she suddenly lost this resistance to all the standard baby sleep methods that she'd had until then.

They don't have to actually spill for it to be reflux. Maybe have a chat to your plunket nurse or GP if you've got a good one?

I hope you get some respite soon.
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Thanks T-rex, he had the 6+ size so i would assume it was alright but you never know. He doesnt have it anymore anyway so a non issue.

I just remembered that DS was suspected of having reflux by plunket - i took him to the family centre to see if they could help me settle him which is another option if its at all possible for you.
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