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    Posted: 26 December 2010 at 9:03pm
.....and I feel like it must be my fault

I have posted here so many times about sleep, so I'm sorry to repeat a bit, but you guys always manage to make me feel better. Today I need some of that

My 10.5 month old son has never been the best sleeper. However things improved to such a point where he was having two or three good naps during the day and waking once at night. Oh to only wake once now!

A few weeks ago (I think) the night wakings went to two, sometimes three, now sometimes four    I have changed NOTHING and I don't understand why he can't self settle anymore.

These days even the day sleeps are a battle at times, and I am at a total loss as to why. All I can think is that I am "giving in" to him too much, as I don't want to let him cry. During the night I do try to settle him other ways, but usually end up b/fing him and he goes straight back to sleep.

I am worried that he is getting worse because of what *I* am doing

I am going back to work in Feb, and won't cope on the amount of sleep I am getting right now. I prayed he would just get better of his own accord, but it seems to be going in the opposite direction and I think CIO may be the only option.

Just needed to vent I guess. It makes me so sad and unsure of myself
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it will come right. the heat might be playing havoc with his sleep at the moment too. I think personally at the end of the day that just feeding them back to sleep is quicker and less stressful!
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Hugs 1st time preggies.
I'm worried too as have to go back to work in March p/time. Not sure how we will all cope, esp as I will have to work nights, and there wont be any comfort boobies around.
One thought, we are starting to try DS with one nap a day. I know all the experts recommend doing this at 1 or so, but we are fighting to get him to have his 2nd nap of the day, and will end up having to feed him/cuddle/rock him to sleep and he wont go down till 4pm!
The last couple of days, he has gone down better. But hard to say given the excitement with xmas and all.
Do you think your DS could need to drop a nap?
Its is seriously hard work this whole mothering thing. Sounds like your doing an awesome job!
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for you , sleep deprivation is the pits.

There is nothing wrong with not letting your baby cry. i she waking because he's hungry ? Does he feed back to sleep easily enough ? If so I would just do that especially it means less awake time for you.
Bizzy is right it's usually a stage that passes

Have you had a read of The NO Cry Sleep Solution ? It's has lots of really helpful stuff an avoids CIO.

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About 2 weeks ago (13th Dec to be exact), Lily was going through a phase (had been about a month) where she was trying to drop a day nap (but still needed it and would often need to be in bed by 5pm without it).

Anyway I decided to 'get tough' imo. Due to her going to bed at 5pm, she'd often wake at 5am! (Arghh!) and need her first nap at about 8am would sleep magically for 1.5-3 hours depending and at about 10am when she woke she'd be up for anywhere from 2.5-3 or 4 hours! Then this after noon nap about 1 - she would fight so hard! So in the end she was crying because she was tired and I just left her to it, surely enough after leaving her for 3 mins to cry (not distressed) I went in, reasurred her (made her giggle) and slowly left again (with her peaking under the bumper as I left facing her) and left her again for 5 mins, then 10 but we never got to 10 because she went to sleep (yay!!) (so this was her 8am nap) and we did the same for her 2nd nap too (and it worked!) now she goes down for all her day sleeps like this and her night sleep too but she still can't seem to self settle over night (still waking about twice) and she refuses water in a cup, straw sippy cup, sippy cup... Only a BF will do and she won't take a dummy at all so imo it's easier for me to just get up quickly for 5 mins feed her and put her back to bed and I go back to bed too - totally less stressful and I am confident that one day she will suddenly sleep through!
Also about a week ago - her first tooth popped through.

Things I have noticed though is with the heat she is still wanting that 'nap' at about 5.30pm sometimes and sometimes she'll sleep until 7.30! and then be up for a couple of hours and so is going to bed when it gets dark... Not ideal but won't complain if it means she sleeps in past 5!

Only other things I can think of is how is he going food wise? How many meals a day + snacks?

Teeth could be another issue...

Separation anxiety at all?

Also try hard not to stress out too much about it, things WILL get better even though it may not feel like it!
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Another thought re the night sleeps is co sleeping or side carring if you are keen...

We did this a few weeks back and it was AMAZING how much better Lily slept, she slept right through from 10-7am! But it wasn't quite ideal for DP (who ended up on the floor or couch) and our bed isn't really big enough for the 3 of us to safely co sleep and our room isn't big enough to attach the cot onto our bed either!

But I know of a few other mums who rave about the above.

But still - it's not for everyone and seems to be an 'each to their own' topic. But if you haven't tried it and you are desperate enough it could be worth looking into.
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I agree with Bizzy, if it works and means less stress for both you and bubba, just go with it.

My son is definitely not a good sleeper, but any account, but he went through a patch of good sleeping for about 2 weeks and I got so excited about it all, but so quickly he went back to the waking every 2-3hours and only sleeping 30mins at a time during the day. Just remember, it won't always be like this. I tend to think that if they are waking and/or crying it is because they need something. Even if that is just reassurance that Mummy is still there than so be it. They are only small for such a small time. Which doesn't exactly help when you are so sleep deprived, but I think it is what it is.

I have set our room up with the cot as a side car and it means we all get a much better sleep, it is just a matter of nursing when he wakes and we all roll over and go back to sleep, easy as.
 
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I just PM'ed you about the no-cry sleep solution, if you want it, I can email it to you.

DS1 was a TERRIBLE sleeper. CIO did not work, it made him very clingy and upset afterwards, and made me feel horrible and depressed.

The one thing that worked the best for us, in getting him to sleep through the night, was to stop breastfeeding during the night. It was really really difficult to do, and took a couple of nights of sitting up with him having lots of cuddles, while he screamed and cried wanting to feed, but after 2 nights of this, he slept through the night for the first time. He had been waking 5 - 6 times, sometimes more, prior to this. After I night weaned him, he still wakes sometimes, but is much easier to settle, and DH can also settle him, rather than it always coming down to me bf-ing him. However DS was 20 months when I did this.

All kids go through stages, and the sleep patterns change. Often this happens around the time when big milestones are achieved (like starting to crawl, walk etc). I don't think that cuddling and comforting your baby is 'giving in', it will be helping him as he must really want and need that comfort, and although it is hard now, things will improve (I know, I've been there!).

Also, we ended up co-sleeping, which was great, and I really recommend it, if you want to continue night feeding. However, this can be hard to stop!
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I also agree with Bizzy and MamaT, if it works then I would go with it.

We are having sleep issues now, DS was a fantastic sleeper from 8 weeks - 10 months and since then hasn't slept through the night once. He started getting teeth and then started to crawl and has also been unwell a couple of times so I think all that plus the heat has just put his sleeping habits out. His night sleeps are ok-ish (waking on average 3-4 times a night). Usually he just wants water and 15ish minutes of cuddles but lately we've been co-sleeping from around 4am which I never said I'd do but we all get some sleep so I figure why not! But day sleeps are pretty much non-existant at the moment and I'm just going with it and trying not to stress too much.

Hugs to you and I hope things improve with whatever you decide to do


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I have never been able to do CIO, Ive tried, and it just drives me mental, I can sleep through it, plus it makes me feel bad.

At nearly 11 months my kids were only have one good day sleep, and then sleeping through the night *mostly* DS was a great sleeper, DD not so much!
Im wondering whether you should try just one good day sleep and then him having dinner at 5ish and then in bed by 6.30/7 for the night...

Just a thought I know its hard but its still very normal for babies to wake at night, and sometimes they carry on doing it as toddlers(my DD is 16 months and still waking).

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I agree with the 'do what ever is easier' suggestions too. Jackson would go through patterns of sleeping through the nightg to waking up to 3 times a night. I just went with it cos I knew it wouldnt last forever and sure enough, at 12 months it stopped and has since slept through the night.

I fed to sleep over night and never worried about it becoming an issue or a habit and it didnt Most times now, if he wakes during the night, he settles himself back to sleep. If he doesnt, its cos something else is wrong.
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What are your current strategies that you are trying to improve his sleep. Have you had a really good go with the no-cry strategies?

I've tried and failed with them for about 8 months now, then DD got her grommets in 5 days ago, and I've renewed my effort with the strategies, and last night, only 2 wakeups (down from 10+ this time last week, pre-grommets). So they can work, if there is no underlying health problems.

Go bump up my sleep logs thread if you like?
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Big hugs 1st_Time_Preggies it's a bit of a guessing game with a lot of trial and error but please don't blame yourself cos it's not your fault, I'm sure you are doing a fabulous job!

I'd probably have to agree with the ideas of just doing what works at the time. If it helps resolve any issues quickly and allows you to get some sleep and less stress then it's definately worth it as nothing lasts forever and can't be changed in future.

We've never had too much waking at night but often had a lot of problems with day sleeps and have found that dropping to two day sleeps has pretty much fixed it.

Sorry I can't offer any solutions but maybe just try noting down what times sleeps are at and then try changing them slightly to see if you get any improvement.

Lots of hugs and good luck. Keep up the great work!
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I can totally sympathsize with this - my 11 month old is going through phases of waking up 4 times a night at the moment. It seems like she does that for a few nights in a row, then goes back to her "good" sleeping of only waking twice and sleeping stretches of 4-6 hrs in between. Just when I think her sleep is finally improving we have another session of 4x wakeups for several nights!

I am also at a total loss as well as to what changes on those bad nights, and wonder if its what we are doing - but I figure that because on some nights she can settle herself and sleep longer its probably because she's uncomfortable in some way. I mostly put it down to teething as our little one has yet to get any teeth but I can feel they're not far away under the gums.

We try to only feed twice over night and often she will resettle without a feed but will then wake up again after one more sleep cycle. One thing I've found is that if you try to resettle without a feed, then give in and feed anyway it makes it much harder, as they know they can hold out and will eventually get a feed. I found its better to decide if youre going to feed and offer it straight away rather than trying other strategies first.

I'Also have you tried having your DH settle him? That often works better for us if we're trying to resettle without a feed (but my DP looks after our DD during the day if I'm at work, so she is used to being settled by him).

Its great to hear other peoples experiences and hear people say that eventually they all sleep through, but its hard to imagine when night wakeups have been going on for months with no improvement! I guess we just have to hang in there!
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Hugs to you! My boy used to sleep great in the first part of the night & then wake 2 hourly after that. It was far easier to go in & just feed him & he'd go back to sleep. Coincidently when I stopped b/fing & put him on neocate he started sleeping though. There was no way I would have made it back to work either, luckily I had the option of staying home.

I would try a gentle way of soothing him back to sleep & if that fails, check like t-Rex said to make sure there are no underlying problems.
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Thank you all so much for your replies. It is soooo good to have some support!

Well the nights are still BAD, last night particularly. I have tried other things to get him to sleep, but basically he won't accept anything (dummy, DH, rocking, etc). I guess that is because he knows eventually I will give in and feed. It is gotten so bad that he won't even settle at bedtime    I am at a total loss as to why, as he USED to be able to self settle day and night.

I was hoping it was just a phase and that it would pass (and like you lil_nic he would just magically sleep through!) but I am starting to think it is becoming a habit that I am helping to continue, so I need to do something about it. I am struggling with the lack of sleep (I suffer from coldsores, and have two horrendous ones at the moment!) and I'm sure it isn't good for him either. He is grumpier than usual and cries over EVERYTHING. I thought some of it could be teeth and the heat, but it has been going on for too long now!

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Huge hugs! I know how tiring it must feel!

Do you think there could be an underlying issue somewhere? Something you could possibly have missed?
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I tried to wean DD off sucking to sleep a couple of months ago (dummy or BF). Basically I held her and walked/rocked until she went to sleep. The first night she screamed for nearly 2 hours (I was exhausted by the end of it), the second night she screamed for pretty much the same length of time. After 3 weeks, we were down to "she'd go to sleep after about half an hour of screaming, if I was lucky". I gave up and put the dummy back in, thinking to myself "how come my baby doesn't do what the book says?" - everyone else had said a few nights and it's all good.

I tried again 3 nights ago. First night she cried for 18 minutes, second night for 7, last night for 2. Turns out she IS a standard baby, the previous carry-on was pain related. How long can your boy carry on for?
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Not your fault...its $$&&** hard to work out what to do some times!

If it was me I'd get a professional in to have a good objective look at him and help you through is sleep issues. Maybe call the sleepstore for some recommendations?

Also eliminate medical issues. i have three friends with different bubs with sleep issues ATM. Each had a diferent issues, being moved when asleep, self settling, and teething, so many different things contribute.
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Well I started to wonder if there is some issue that I hadn't thought of??? Medically wise I mean. He USED to just wake once in the night, quick feed and back to sleep. But would self settle to sleep for all naps and at night time. Now most naps are a battle, as is bedtime, and wakes 2-6 times. My DH thinks it is because he is becoming more "manupulative" but I am not sure. Or am I just being a mum who thinks her baby couldn't do that

Tonight my hubby gave him a bottle and tried to put him to bed and he wouldn't have a bar of it. I went in a few times to see if he would settle and in the end just fed him cause I am so tired    Thing is, if I try to pull him off before he is asleep, he screams and protests until I put him back on.

This is all just not like him!!!! He has never been the best sleeper but this is ridiculous.

My hubby is threatening to kick me out of the house and use controlled crying for three nights to see if he is just "using me".....
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