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    Posted: 22 August 2010 at 7:03pm
Ok, so I thought I'd start a thread for those of us using no-cry sleep solutions to share our logs, ideas and encouragement.

I'll start by sharing my first log in a minute, but first a few rules:

Some of us are starting from fairly crap situations. I know that some of us have created some of our own problems, but for me at least, allowing this to happen was critical to our ability to survive the last 8 months. So lets not harp on about how we got here - the focus is where we go next.

Feel free to share ideas and suggestions. They don't to be limited to those in Elizabeth Pantley's book. Try to be encouraging though

Finally, NO CIO/CC suggestions. I appreciate that such techniques may have worked for you, but we have chosen not to use them, so please don't suggest them. This isn't a place to argue their merits or otherwise. They are simply off limits.

Right ladies, lets get some babies sleeping
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Brilliant idea TRex. Will try and get my A into G and do a sleep log. Will start tomorrow as tonight hasn't been a typical night

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Baby T-Rex, 8 months, 21 August 2010.

Nap log:
3 naps - target is 2
4 hours sleep - target is 3-4 hours

All naps required 20 mins of rocking with a dummy to get her to sleep, and she was on Daddy's lap for the entirety of all naps - he tried the cot a few times and she flat out refused.

The rocking and dummy are currently our naptime routine, but the timing and duration of naps is very inconsistent between days.

Pros - getting enough sleep
Cons - only if she stays on our lap, so not ideal!!

NIGHT LOG:
Asleep time: 8.05pm
Awake time 6.15am
Awakenings: 5
Longest sleep: 2 hours
Total sleep: 8hours, 10 minutes (target 11-12 hours)

Most wakenings required feeding back to sleep.
We have a good, consistent bedtime routine, and bedtime is usually between 7.30-8pm.

Pros - she was in her cot all night!! (thats a big deal after nearly a month of co-sleeping).
Cons - where do I start?!

TOTAL SLEEP:
12 hours - 2 hours less than target of 14 hours.

STRATEGIES:
I will do these for 2 weeks, and then complete (and post) another sleep log.

1. Every day nap will be in the cot, not our laps (ok to get her to sleep on our laps though).

2. No co-sleeping - she will spend all night in her cot.

3. I will reinforce the pull-off the breast before falling asleep trick at night.

4. I will have her ready for bed by 6pm with the aim of having her in bed by 7.

5. No dummy in the night.

6. Her lovey "horse" will join all our night cuddles.

So, thats me. Who is next? Dammit, she's awake! Gotta go.
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That looks good T-Rex. I was thinking about doing some more sleep logs to see if we can get better sleeping again!
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I used to feed DS to sleep but decided to wean him off it so tried the taking him off when he was still awake/drowsy thing and gradually increased the wakefulness til he was settling by himself...worked really well!

I don't have a sleep log but I was thinking about starting a routine since we don't have one so maybe I will try that as well and post it once I have it figured out!



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I shouldn't boast, cos I know it'll probably wake her up, but DD is happily napping in the cot right now. We made her take all her naps in the cot yesterday, but they were considerably shorter. We've been out all day until now, and she's had a nap in the car and one in the manduca already, so I'm stoked she's staying down in the cot.

We were up 9 times last night, so I'm really hoping this is going to help. She doesn't always feed to sleep, but since we gave her the dummy a couple of months ago - to try and get some sleep out of her at daycare - she's got much worse at wanting to feed to sleep in the night.

Sigh! A topdresser just swooped over the house... don't they know there is a baby trying to sleep?!
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Hope the top dresser didn't waker her!
That is great that she has been having her naps in the cot, well done! Give yourself a pat on the back for deciding to do something and sticking with it!
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Silly old top dresser....what a nerve that pilot has lol.

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Heh, yep, it did wake her up, or at least something did. So the cot nap only lasted 15 minutes, but we'll get there.

I've been doing well on getting her ready for bed by 6(ish!) and she's gone down by 7 for two nights in a row. It's amazing to have a bit of spare time in the evenings! I haven't had that in 8 months

Looking forward to seeing some other (lack of) sleep logs
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I think I'll join you girls, but might need to put a notebook out so I can remember what happens during the night, I've been having trouble remembering in the last week - maybe lack of sleep affecting my memory

What does the NCSS suggest for moving from patting/shushing? Just reducing it till you're not doing it anymore?

Our current situation is:

Rocking till calm or drowsy, then patting shushing till almost asleep or asleep. Sometimes I need to pick up and rock 2-3 times or else he wakes up too much and starts rolling back and fourth and playing games. Only takes 10-15 mins but ultimately I'd like to put him down calm or drowsy and then just leave the room.

During the night this can take up to an hour and often I give in and rock till completely asleep. But then he might wake up half an hour later (whether I've rocked or patted/shushed) and after a couple of those I usually give in and just bring him to bed.

We swaddle him still and he has a dummy, at some point I'll need to wean off that swaddle too I guess.

We've had the same bed routine since he was a newborn and been on a nap routine for a good few months, naps have improved drastically, so hoping to do the same with nights.

Night wakings are all over the show. I'll keep a log tonight to sort times.

Goal:

Sleep in his own cot from 7pm-7am. He's done it before, and was doing it a couple of times a week (the tease), but I'd say it's possibly been a couple of months since that last happened.
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Ok, here's last nights sleep log:

In bed asleep 7.00pm.

Awake 10.45pm - few mins
11.40pm - 20mins (maybe asleep 12am)
12.20am - woke again, re-wrapped, asleep without dummy straight away
4am - woke, grizzled on and off for really short periods (under a minute) but over 15 mins every couple of mins - tried to leave but wasn't going to sleep.
4.20am - brought into our bed, fell asleep straight away.
5.15am - brief cry for dummy
6.15am - Awake for day.

So last night he didn't actualy wake for long periods of time, and one of the better sleeps was without the dummy. I probably should have tried to get him back to sleep in his cot at 4am but I knew he'd wake hourly from then.

I don't get why he often wakes in the late evening? He used to do bigger sleeps than that when he was 6 weeks old!
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Great thread! I will have to get my A into G and record my sleep logs so I can post them in here...
Proud mummy to two beautiful little girls and a precious little boy <3
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What frustrates me is that DS goes to sleep on his own easily enough but then during the day if he wakes up during nap time, they he won't go back to sleep so his naps usually end up being only 1 hour. So what am I doing wrong?? So confusing, I thought when they self settled they were supposed to be better at going back to flippin sleep as well!



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Lol Tali, I know. Why do these darn babies have their own ideas about everything? DD will randomly self settle sometimes first up, sometimes mid-sleep, but never reliably.

Chelle, what is Cooper eating? Could something in his solids be giving him a gassy tum or something?

DD has just been diagnosed with an ear infection, so hopefully that explains last nights terrible sleeping! We had 3 hours of screaming, then 3 of sleep, then 2 of screaming again. I ended up climbing into her cot and feeding her to sleep both times, which I've never done before, lol. Good thing we have a sturdy cot, cos I ain't that light!!
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hehe T-Rex.....great mental picture there!

Im sure that DD ongoing ear infection has been one of the main issues with her sleeping lately!
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Good point T_Rex, last night he had kumara, potato and pumpkin chunks and a yogurt - would any of those be gas causing? Sometimes when he does wake up he farts away hehe so definitely could be it. But I've got two different formula's and neither make a difference.

Weird about the nap thing Tali as Cooper is the opposite, he used to be a rubbish day sleeper and pretty ok night sleeper but now we often get two 1.5 hour naps a day but up all night so I was wondering if he can self settle during the day, why not at night! Also, I wonder why some days he still only has 2x 45 min naps, but luckily less often.

I've never attempted to get into the cot, but sometimes I consider just laying down on the floor rather than waste my time going back to our room!

By the way, your ticker always makes me do a double take, as it makes me think you're pregnant with the week showing

I hope those ear infections go away soon and you guys get some more sleep.
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none of you are doing anthing wrong. tali 1hr may be all that he needs each time, ben will usually slepp 1h or 1h15min for each nap. 45min is a sleep cycle so my assumption is that if they wake after 1h then they have resettled at 45min then had enough at 1h. not sure if i am right!

didn't keep a sleep log last night as I had a playcentre meeting. however ben only woke twice. dh put him in our bed with him at 9.30pm when he woke the first time. i changed his bedtime routine and after we went into his room i read diff stories and gave him a back rub. he went to sleep so much easier. will try again tonight and see what happens. got the ideas from pinky mckay's book 'toddler tactics' she is having a teleseminar on thursday if you are interested, go to her website to register, i have

sorry for poor typing, jack is asleep on my lap and i am typing 1 handed!
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Great thread T-Rex!

Just to add my two cents worth, my baby's sleep has drastically improved since getting rid of her dummy, she is now sleeping through the night. I firmly believe she goes to sleep faster and in general sleeps better overnight without it. Just thought I should mention it. We went cold turkey to get rid of it, wasn't as bad as I thought it would be but did involve some crying I'm afraid.

Unfortunately this has meant that she'll sleep no longer than 45mins per nap during the day (one sleep cycle). I used to pop the dummy back in and get at least another hour out of her. Small sacrifice I think though.

Any suggestions on how to lengthen the day sleeps or will they improve/lengthen as she gets older?
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Millyz I read on the sleepstore website if you go into their room about 5-10mins before they wake and give them a little prod, enough for them to stir, not wake them up of course! They'll restart the sleep cycle and thus sleep longer. I don't prod Lily though, we have a noisey door handle that squeaks so I just turn the door handle and she stirs and goes back to sleep.
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Hi Nicole, thanks for that. I might give it a go - I think just opening the door should be enough too hopefully.
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