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    Posted: 18 July 2010 at 10:19am
How come no one worries about choking with BLW?? Ive read about the whole thing of them only pushing food to the back of their throats when their ready to swallow etc

But my son has choked on a few things so ive backed right off from things that dont dissolve in his mouth or puree. He choked on a hotchip and threw up when he brought the chip up and he also choked on a small peice of pork when i let him chew on a big peice of roast pork.

It seems that for those doing BLW anything goes and no one worries about choking??

So my question is are there any special instructions you follow or is it anything goes??

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anything goes - choking is the bodies natural reaction and is perfectly normal... if they didnt choke then there would be trouble.

Of course the same rules apply about not leaving a child unattended when eating and it pays to make sure what you give them can be held in one hand and "chewed" or gummed on.

choking is also their way of learning how to bring it back up and what can and can not go down their throat. its all a learning process.

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I worry, that's why I am not doing it lol.

What does it even mean baby led weaning? How is the baby leading? I mean, the baby is not choosing what to eat, you still give the baby the food and still choose when to give the baby the food. Some terminology is dumbo. Bit like attachment parenting....just coz I don't co sleep and carry my baby around all day does not mean I am not attached to my baby. Just wanted to moan because I can so there.



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thats handy to know, i worry about the choking as well Lou.
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Lou interesting you bring this up. I just read an article on BLW in the little treasures magazine this morning.

I will scan and email you the article because it is long. The publisher has a book on BLW, she did say that people should read her book before introducing it because there are actually rules on what to give and what not to give and not to go straight into it. I think everyone has a different opinion on it, but think you may find it interesting.

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Tali your funny!!! Thanks Bizzy on that, it is good to know and Im fairly relaxed and give him most things to try, but after reading about the mushrooms in the other thread it sounds like im not as relaxed as i first thought.

I agree Tali its not like they should be Weaning themselves off anything right now cos they need milk as well as solids so no baby should be doing the W of the BLW
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Yeah totally random terminology really. I am being totally unfashionable and sticking to mashes and things in the mesh feeders! He has loads of time to learn the other skills I reckon.



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I have two very well adjusted children that know how to eat and eat a huge variety of food and they didnt get given finger food straight away, so our way isnt gonna make them any less a part of society Tali so you just carry on doing what your doing, you will know when your ready to go to the next stage.

I find most of the food i give jesse is too slippery for him to hold so put it in his mesh thing too. I feel bad for him when hes just wanting to eat but the food keeps slipping out of his hands.
He gets toast and crackers and does well on those, and hes just started eating cheese. they at least arent slippery
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If they choke its a good sign, its when they don't make any noise you should be worried. Babies gag reflexes are quite far forward in their mouths, not like with us adults where it is at the back of our throat so choking can be quite common, although in saying that the only thing DS has choked on so far is his hand

Like Bizzy said, the choking is all about learning. They learn if something is too big to fit, they learn how far in their mouths they can put things. Its all natural

 

Also, it is baby led in the sense that out of the 3 or 4 things you put on their plate, or in their reach, they choose what, when and how much of it to eat. For instance, the other night DS has carrots, mushrooms, broccoli and steak, he didn't touch the steak or mushrooms.

Hope that makes sense and answers some questions.

 
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it is baby led because they arent having mush forced into them. you offer them food and they choose what they want and how much they want to eat. It is not weaning from milk but rather weaning onto food.

i have seen so many parents try and force pureed food down a babys throat when they so obviously dont want it and BLW certainly is a more relaxed approach to the introduction to food. it also allows a baby to learn to push food to the back of their throat and chew at their own pace, not one dictated by someone else.

i think it is a good idea to read up on it - there is heaps of info on here and books available - before making a sweeping judgment about it and dismissing it out of hand.

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I think that we all worry about choking. There is a difference between gagging and choking tho, babies will gag on puree too.

The problem with giving puree foods as well as whole foods is that with the puree they are learing to swallow the food first, before they learn to handle it in their mouths, and move the food to the back of their mouths themsleves, and then eventually to swallow. When u are doing both- they are learning to swallow the puree, so then when u give them something else taht is solid, they are going to straight away swallow it like they have done with puree, which then could lead to choking.

The baby led part refers to them moderating their own intake, opposed to the parents choosing how much to spoon into the babies mouth. It doesnt mean the baby goes out and hunts/gathers and prepares their own food!
It is the follow on from a baby who is demand breast fed- they have been choosing when to feed /how often and how much they want to have at each feed, so blw is an extention of this as there are not expectations for the baby to eat x ammount of puree per meal per day, but they are offered family food at meal times that they share with their family. Firstly to particpate and play with the food, disovering textures/colours/tastes and learing eating skills and motor skills, and they will eventually begin to actually eat it!

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Originally posted by Kellz Kellz wrote:

I think that we all worry about choking. There is a difference between gagging and choking tho, babies will gag on puree too.

The problem with giving puree foods as well as whole foods is that with the puree they are learing to swallow the food first, before they learn to handle it in their mouths, and move the food to the back of their mouths themsleves, and then eventually to swallow. When u are doing both- they are learning to swallow the puree, so then when u give them something else taht is solid, they are going to straight away swallow it like they have done with puree, which then could lead to choking.

The baby led part refers to them moderating their own intake, opposed to the parents choosing how much to spoon into the babies mouth. It doesnt mean the baby goes out and hunts/gathers and prepares their own food!
It is the follow on from a baby who is demand breast fed- they have been choosing when to feed /how often and how much they want to have at each feed, so blw is an extention of this as there are not expectations for the baby to eat x ammount of puree per meal per day, but they are offered family food at meal times that they share with their family. Firstly to particpate and play with the food, disovering textures/colours/tastes and learing eating skills and motor skills, and they will eventually begin to actually eat it!



Grrta explanation Kellz :-)

DD used to gag and choke then vomit horribly on puree And from about 6.5 mnths would only eat finger foods.   
I was watching DS the other day , he was eating a slice of peach and he trred to swallow a huge bit and he gagged and I saw it bounce back up out of his throat into his mouth. Pretty clever how your body protects you.
As a lot of people have said they are learning to chew before they swallow.
Prehaps you could do a first aid course that helps with baby choking ? I know I felt a lot more ocnfident once I was shown how to help if baby chokes.

ETA to change choke to gag

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Thanks Kellz that is a clear description.

I have been looking into an infant resuc course but havent found one in my area yet....maybe i could organise one for a group of mums.

I did it with my first a resuc course and it was awesome to know, it should be done more around and free for all parents!!
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Plunket do a baby first aid course don't they?

 

ETA:  Great explanation Kelly, very clear!!



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Ah blah, still not interested..we will move onto finger foods when I am ready and confident haha. Right now, he is having fun messing himself up with mash, playing with the spoon so I don't think I am traumatising him too much.



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Of course we worry about our baby choking - just as parents who feed purees and mash would worry about their baby choking when they do introduce finger foods later on

IMO - There is a big difference between gagging and choking. Gagging is how you clear your airways from a blockage. Choking is when you CAN'T clear your airways and are unable to breathe. They are not the same thing. Choking is very distressing but usually babies who just gag up food just spit it out and carry on eating as if nothing has happened.

Anything goes here. Jude has never choked on anything. He has gagged a little bit but not much. I'm guessing it varies between babies. I'm super confident in Jude's ability to eat whatever - if you aren't, there is no point stressing about it, do whatever is right for you and your bub!


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Originally posted by Delli Delli wrote:



Anything goes here. Jude has never choked on anything. He has gagged a little bit but not much. I'm guessing it varies between babies. I'm super confident in Jude's ability to eat whatever - if you aren't, there is no point stressing about it, do whatever is right for you and your bub!


So what your saying is no food is off limits??

Curious to know what if there is anything i should be staying away from.
theres still that whole making sure their digestive systems are ready, just cos they can swallow doesnt mean the other parts of their bodies are ready for some things yet I would assume??

I am just adapting it to how i feel comfortable. Im by no means forcing food into my sons mouth, and he enjoys meal times as much as the next baby. Mine gets a variety of soft pureed food and other finger food so that all bases are covered basically. And he eats many things from my plate, i find something every meal im comfortable sharing with him.

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of course chickielou the same rules apply - nothing too salty or sweet cause babies dont need that.... and if there were allergies you would probably delay some foods. its exactly the same really except without pureeing everything. so if you were giving puree kumara you could give it boiled or roasted. its actually quite fun watching your childs pincer grip improve from it and their fine motor skills - just an extra benefit of BLW.

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Anything we eat - Jude can eat. The only things we restrict are things high in salt or sugar. However, our family meals and snacks don't tend to be high in either. We don't give him whole nuts yet - but we don't usually have them in the house anyway. One exception is honey (because of Botulism) and we will start to introduce that soon as he gets closer to one. We are not big peanut butter eaters so he has had tastes but not a lot.

Starting off, things in finger form were super helpful but now he knows how to open his hand to get at the food - he will eat anything in all shapes and sizes.

If there are any foods in particular you are wondering about I'd be happy to tell you whether we have given them to Jude or not. I highly recommend the book on BLW by Gill Rapley though if you'd like a more expert opinion


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Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

of course chickielou the same rules apply - nothing too salty or sweet cause babies dont need that.... and if there were allergies you would probably delay some foods. its exactly the same really except without pureeing everything. so if you were giving puree kumara you could give it boiled or roasted. its actually quite fun watching your childs pincer grip improve from it and their fine motor skills - just an extra benefit of BLW.


OH OK, see i didnt realise that so thats very helpful thanks!

After asking this today, I tried my son with a fish finger and almost had a panic attack when he started gagging but i waited it out (which was very hard) and he brought it up but man I was scared. I also gave him some pasta on his tray but he didnt want to pick it up himself he wanted me to feed him........lol.......seems the damage has been done and hes lazy now.... will keep trying new things etc

I also wanted to add that at no time were my comments ever trying to say that you dont care about your babies!!! Its been brought to my attention that the way i worded my post has offended people sounding as if I have accused BLW fans of not caring if their babies choke or not!! Im a bit sad that people would think i was that mean to imply that

I was merely asking how everyone else deals with the choking thing and whether or not you worry or not and the advice ive been given has been great

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