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Topic: BLW questions
Posted By: LouD
Subject: BLW questions
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 10:19am
How come no one worries about choking with BLW?? Ive read about the whole thing of them only pushing food to the back of their throats when their ready to swallow etc
But my son has choked on a few things so ive backed right off from things that dont dissolve in his mouth or puree. He choked on a hotchip and threw up when he brought the chip up and he also choked on a small peice of pork when i let him chew on a big peice of roast pork.
It seems that for those doing BLW anything goes and no one worries about choking??
So my question is are there any special instructions you follow or is it anything goes??
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 11:52am
anything goes - choking is the bodies natural reaction and is perfectly normal... if they didnt choke then there would be trouble.
Of course the same rules apply about not leaving a child unattended when eating and it pays to make sure what you give them can be held in one hand and "chewed" or gummed on.
choking is also their way of learning how to bring it back up and what can and can not go down their throat. its all a learning process.
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 11:58am
I worry, that's why I am not doing it lol.
What does it even mean baby led weaning? How is the baby leading? I mean, the baby is not choosing what to eat, you still give the baby the food and still choose when to give the baby the food. Some terminology is dumbo. Bit like attachment parenting....just coz I don't co sleep and carry my baby around all day does not mean I am not attached to my baby. Just wanted to moan because I can so there.
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Posted By: manda27
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 11:58am
thats handy to know, i worry about the choking as well Lou.
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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 12:09pm
Lou interesting you bring this up. I just read an article on BLW in the little treasures magazine this morning.
I will scan and email you the article because it is long. The publisher has a book on BLW, she did say that people should read her book before introducing it because there are actually rules on what to give and what not to give and not to go straight into it. I think everyone has a different opinion on it, but think you may find it interesting.
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 12:11pm
Tali your funny!!! Thanks Bizzy on that, it is good to know and Im fairly relaxed and give him most things to try, but after reading about the mushrooms in the other thread it sounds like im not as relaxed as i first thought.
I agree Tali its not like they should be Weaning themselves off anything right now cos they need milk as well as solids so no baby should be doing the W of the BLW
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 12:18pm
Yeah totally random terminology really. I am being totally unfashionable and sticking to mashes and things in the mesh feeders! He has loads of time to learn the other skills I reckon.
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 12:29pm
I have two very well adjusted children that know how to eat and eat a huge variety of food and they didnt get given finger food straight away, so our way isnt gonna make them any less a part of society Tali so you just carry on doing what your doing, you will know when your ready to go to the next stage.
I find most of the food i give jesse is too slippery for him to hold so put it in his mesh thing too. I feel bad for him when hes just wanting to eat but the food keeps slipping out of his hands.
He gets toast and crackers and does well on those, and hes just started eating cheese. they at least arent slippery
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Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 1:05pm
If they choke its a good sign, its when they don't make any noise you should be worried. Babies gag reflexes are quite far forward in their mouths, not like with us adults where it is at the back of our throat so choking can be quite common, although in saying that the only thing DS has choked on so far is his hand 
Like Bizzy said, the choking is all about learning. They learn if something is too big to fit, they learn how far in their mouths they can put things. Its all natural
Also, it is baby led in the sense that out of the 3 or 4 things you put on their plate, or in their reach, they choose what, when and how much of it to eat. For instance, the other night DS has carrots, mushrooms, broccoli and steak, he didn't touch the steak or mushrooms.
Hope that makes sense and answers some questions.
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 1:05pm
it is baby led because they arent having mush forced into them. you offer them food and they choose what they want and how much they want to eat. It is not weaning from milk but rather weaning onto food.
i have seen so many parents try and force pureed food down a babys throat when they so obviously dont want it and BLW certainly is a more relaxed approach to the introduction to food. it also allows a baby to learn to push food to the back of their throat and chew at their own pace, not one dictated by someone else.
i think it is a good idea to read up on it - there is heaps of info on here and books available - before making a sweeping judgment about it and dismissing it out of hand.
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Posted By: Kellz
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 1:15pm
I think that we all worry about choking. There is a difference between gagging and choking tho, babies will gag on puree too.
The problem with giving puree foods as well as whole foods is that with the puree they are learing to swallow the food first, before they learn to handle it in their mouths, and move the food to the back of their mouths themsleves, and then eventually to swallow. When u are doing both- they are learning to swallow the puree, so then when u give them something else taht is solid, they are going to straight away swallow it like they have done with puree, which then could lead to choking.
The baby led part refers to them moderating their own intake, opposed to the parents choosing how much to spoon into the babies mouth. It doesnt mean the baby goes out and hunts/gathers and prepares their own food!
It is the follow on from a baby who is demand breast fed- they have been choosing when to feed /how often and how much they want to have at each feed, so blw is an extention of this as there are not expectations for the baby to eat x ammount of puree per meal per day, but they are offered family food at meal times that they share with their family. Firstly to particpate and play with the food, disovering textures/colours/tastes and learing eating skills and motor skills, and they will eventually begin to actually eat it!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 1:21pm
Kellz wrote:
I think that we all worry about choking. There is a difference between gagging and choking tho, babies will gag on puree too.
The problem with giving puree foods as well as whole foods is that with the puree they are learing to swallow the food first, before they learn to handle it in their mouths, and move the food to the back of their mouths themsleves, and then eventually to swallow. When u are doing both- they are learning to swallow the puree, so then when u give them something else taht is solid, they are going to straight away swallow it like they have done with puree, which then could lead to choking.
The baby led part refers to them moderating their own intake, opposed to the parents choosing how much to spoon into the babies mouth. It doesnt mean the baby goes out and hunts/gathers and prepares their own food!
It is the follow on from a baby who is demand breast fed- they have been choosing when to feed /how often and how much they want to have at each feed, so blw is an extention of this as there are not expectations for the baby to eat x ammount of puree per meal per day, but they are offered family food at meal times that they share with their family. Firstly to particpate and play with the food, disovering textures/colours/tastes and learing eating skills and motor skills, and they will eventually begin to actually eat it!
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Grrta explanation Kellz :-)
DD used to gag and choke then vomit horribly on puree And from about 6.5 mnths would only eat finger foods.
I was watching DS the other day , he was eating a slice of peach and he trred to swallow a huge bit and he gagged and I saw it bounce back up out of his throat into his mouth. Pretty clever how your body protects you.
As a lot of people have said they are learning to chew before they swallow.
Prehaps you could do a first aid course that helps with baby choking ? I know I felt a lot more ocnfident once I was shown how to help if baby chokes.
ETA to change choke to gag
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 1:30pm
Thanks Kellz that is a clear description.
I have been looking into an infant resuc course but havent found one in my area yet....maybe i could organise one for a group of mums.
I did it with my first a resuc course and it was awesome to know, it should be done more around and free for all parents!!
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Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 1:36pm
Plunket do a baby first aid course don't they?
ETA: Great explanation Kelly, very clear!!
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 1:49pm
Ah blah, still not interested..we will move onto finger foods when I am ready and confident haha. Right now, he is having fun messing himself up with mash, playing with the spoon so I don't think I am traumatising him too much.
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Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 3:10pm
Of course we worry about our baby choking - just as parents who feed purees and mash would worry about their baby choking when they do introduce finger foods later on
IMO - There is a big difference between gagging and choking. Gagging is how you clear your airways from a blockage. Choking is when you CAN'T clear your airways and are unable to breathe. They are not the same thing. Choking is very distressing but usually babies who just gag up food just spit it out and carry on eating as if nothing has happened.
Anything goes here. Jude has never choked on anything. He has gagged a little bit but not much. I'm guessing it varies between babies. I'm super confident in Jude's ability to eat whatever - if you aren't, there is no point stressing about it, do whatever is right for you and your bub!
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 3:48pm
Delli wrote:
Anything goes here. Jude has never choked on anything. He has gagged a little bit but not much. I'm guessing it varies between babies. I'm super confident in Jude's ability to eat whatever - if you aren't, there is no point stressing about it, do whatever is right for you and your bub!  |
So what your saying is no food is off limits??
Curious to know what if there is anything i should be staying away from.
theres still that whole making sure their digestive systems are ready, just cos they can swallow doesnt mean the other parts of their bodies are ready for some things yet I would assume??
I am just adapting it to how i feel comfortable. Im by no means forcing food into my sons mouth, and he enjoys meal times as much as the next baby. Mine gets a variety of soft pureed food and other finger food so that all bases are covered basically. And he eats many things from my plate, i find something every meal im comfortable sharing with him.
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 4:06pm
of course chickielou the same rules apply - nothing too salty or sweet cause babies dont need that.... and if there were allergies you would probably delay some foods. its exactly the same really except without pureeing everything. so if you were giving puree kumara you could give it boiled or roasted. its actually quite fun watching your childs pincer grip improve from it and their fine motor skills - just an extra benefit of BLW.
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Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 4:10pm
Anything we eat - Jude can eat. The only things we restrict are things high in salt or sugar. However, our family meals and snacks don't tend to be high in either. We don't give him whole nuts yet - but we don't usually have them in the house anyway. One exception is honey (because of Botulism) and we will start to introduce that soon as he gets closer to one. We are not big peanut butter eaters so he has had tastes but not a lot.
Starting off, things in finger form were super helpful but now he knows how to open his hand to get at the food - he will eat anything in all shapes and sizes.
If there are any foods in particular you are wondering about I'd be happy to tell you whether we have given them to Jude or not. I highly recommend the book on BLW by Gill Rapley though if you'd like a more expert opinion
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 7:43pm
Bizzy wrote:
of course chickielou the same rules apply - nothing too salty or sweet cause babies dont need that.... and if there were allergies you would probably delay some foods. its exactly the same really except without pureeing everything. so if you were giving puree kumara you could give it boiled or roasted. its actually quite fun watching your childs pincer grip improve from it and their fine motor skills - just an extra benefit of BLW. |
OH OK, see i didnt realise that so thats very helpful thanks!
After asking this today, I tried my son with a fish finger and almost had a panic attack when he started gagging but i waited it out (which was very hard) and he brought it up but man I was scared. I also gave him some pasta on his tray but he didnt want to pick it up himself he wanted me to feed him........lol.......seems the damage has been done and hes lazy now.... will keep trying new things etc
I also wanted to add that at no time were my comments ever trying to say that you dont care about your babies!!! Its been brought to my attention that the way i worded my post has offended people sounding as if I have accused BLW fans of not caring if their babies choke or not!! Im a bit sad that people would think i was that mean to imply that
I was merely asking how everyone else deals with the choking thing and whether or not you worry or not and the advice ive been given has been great
Thanks
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Posted By: Kellz
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 7:53pm
TaliP wrote:
Ah blah, still not interested..we will move onto finger foods when I am ready and confident haha. Right now, he is having fun messing himself up with mash, playing with the spoon so I don't think I am traumatising him too much. |
No one is trying to make u interested in blw or suggesting that anyone that is not doing blw is doing something wrong, let alone traumatising their baby.
We are just explaining more about what blw is about, as from yours and others comments in this thread, there was obviously a lack of info about it.
I weaned my almost 4 yr old onto solids in the 'usual' way and there is certainly nothing wrong with her or her eating habits!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but informed opinions are better that making judgements about other peoples choices with little or no knowledge of the subject.
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Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 8:18pm
No worries Chickielou - I didn't take offence if it makes any difference. It's quite a common question to ask about BLW.
If you are still uncomfortable giving him some finger foods - perhaps to ease your mind you could load up his spoon for him (with mash/puree/yoghurt/soup) and then give him the spoon to guide to his mouth by himself and progress to finger foods from there. The aim of BLW is to let them feed themselves - BLW doesn't try to say that purees are bad for them just unnecessary as you can feed them other things. But now that you have seen he can clear food out all by himself perhaps you won't need to do that
Also with the not wanting to feed himself pasta - Jude went through a stage where it seemed that we were using cutlery so he didn't see why HE couldn't use cutlery and demanded a fork at every meal time. Sometimes he would hold the fork in one hand and eat with the other, other times he would drop it after a little while and eat with both hands and other times he would rather we loaded the fork and gave it to him (he is only just getting to the stage of loading his own fork/spoon now). Just a suggestion.
And one more thing - just remember that food is still all about playing at this stage rather than trying to "fill them up" - so don't be too worried if some days he seems to not eat much and then other days eats like a horse He may just not have been hungry enough to eat the pasta or didn't really want to play with food at that point in time.
I love BLW! But understand it's not for everyone. I suppose it could be seen as a sort of "fashion" at the moment but I chose it because I'm lazy and this way we can eat our dinner all together without one of us having to be occupied with spoon feeding. I also love watching him work out things for himself - it makes dinnertimes very entertaining.
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 8:31pm
Thanks Delli
See i thought i was being lazy cos i would rather get his dinner out the way earlier by giving him a few spoonfuls of something then letting him feed himself with some finger food also and then just let him have a play at dinner, that way I can eat my dinner in peace ...... he does get quite a bit of finger food already, just not everything yet. He gets tinned fruit, toast, cruskits, crackers, cheese. So im not completely a puree person.
Your advise has been great and the other comments have given me a bit more confidence
Thanks heaps
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 8:38pm
chickielou i wasnt offended in any way either and i cant see anywhere where you could have been offensive or upsetting to anyone.
i am like delli and BLW suits the lazy side of me.
and eden was the same too re the cutlery - loved to play with cutlery and was much more proficient with it than either of the boys were and is now too.
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 18 July 2010 at 10:58pm
Kellz wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but informed opinions are better that making judgements about other peoples choices with little or no knowledge of the subject. |
How am I making any judgements about other peoples choices by saying I am not ready for it?
Where in any of my posts did I say BLW was dumb or anything negative about it?
The terminology used is dumb, that is what my opinion is and I don't think I need to research it to say that!
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Posted By: Kellz
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 10:14am
The terminology is not dumb- your interpretation of the terminology was wrong because you didnt/dont know enough about it for the terminology to make sense to you!
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Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 10:30am
TaliP wrote:
Ah blah, still not interested..we will move onto finger foods when I am ready and confident haha. Right now, he is having fun messing himself up with mash, playing with the spoon so I don't think I am traumatising him too much. |
I actually found this comment quite judgemental too.
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 10:38am
How? I was responding to Bizzys implied comment that feeding a baby mash was force feeding?
ETA: The reason I find the terminology dumb is that to me it sounds like BLW should be about the baby choosing when to stop BF which is what I am planning on...I intend to let DS BF til he is ready to stop.
So what is wrong with me having an opinion on the terminology of something...surely the point of terminology is to give an indication to those who don't know as to what it means so first impressions count? Maybe Baby Led Feeding would make more sense to the uninitiated.
I have no problem with babies eating finger food, the only reason I am not doing it (as I already stated) is that I am too nervous, I didn't realise that being nervous was being judgemental. And I think it is pretty crap that a first time mother who has just started solids has it suggested that she is force feeding her baby by feeding it mush, for gods sake, I am only doing what I feel comfortable doing and surely that is the best thing.
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Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 11:18am
Completely agree with everything TaliP just wrote. Baby Led Weaning says to me that it is something to do with baby choosing to stop BFing, which like Tali, I'm also planning on doing. I am in no way AGAINST BLW, but I personally have chosen to go about weaning my wee girl the old fashioned way. It is how I, and my 5 other siblings were weaned and we all turned out OK.
TaliP was simply stating her opinion, as am I, and in no way do I think either of us are being judgemental. You are all entitled to your opinion that BLW is the way to go, so surely we are entitled to ours.
And no, I am NOT having a go at you all who are pro BLW. Good on you for trying it, but it's just not for me.
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 11:42am
LOL I also thought it meant weaning from BFing when baby is ready when I first encountered the term...
I haven't decided what I'll do next time, last time we did the puree thing... I've got more reading to do before then I guess... but I just wanted to say Tali I don't spoon feeding is anything like force feeding I mean when I did it I use to wait for DD to open her mouth for the spoon, there was no trying to trick her into taking it, she willingly opened her mouth for it.... plus she often had her own spoon for her mush
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 12:06pm
Yep, that is how I feel about it freckle, DS has a spoon and plays with the mush and he opens his mouth wide for the spoon. I also try different things and if he is not interested that day, I try a bit later on or I try another day.
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Posted By: Kellz
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 1:07pm
From the moment a baby eats anything other than breastmilk, it is the start of the weaning process. Weaning off breast milk and onto food - there is no time limit on how long this process will take, but it is weaning nonetheless.
Even if intially they dont decrease the number of bf they have per day,... as they eat more food they ammount of milk they take will be less.
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 1:27pm
Yip Kellz true... it's just IMO the terminology isn't necessarily that explanatory... I def think it could still be construed as baby decided when to drop feeds/stop BFing as it doesn't actually say anything about how solids are being introduced (i.e. puree way or BLW way).... but hey who cares we know what it means, and anyone is entitled to think the terminology is stooopid if they wants IMO
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 1:40pm
Kellz wrote:
From the moment a baby eats anything other than breastmilk, it is the start of the weaning process. Weaning off breast milk and onto food - there is no time limit on how long this process will take, but it is weaning nonetheless.
Even if intially they dont decrease the number of bf they have per day,... as they eat more food they ammount of milk they take will be less. |
Regardless of whether they are eating finger foods or mush, they are being weaned and I think that most mums that go the mush route would not make their babies eat if they are not interested, certainly I tried a few things a bit earlier but he was not interested so didn't worry then tried in a few more weeks and he was all systems go....so I think my baby is leading just as much as a baby eating finger food.
I actually don't want to wean him, and if he didn't want to eat then I would be happy to carry on exclusively BF because I enjoy it so much. However, he is def interested so the weaning process has started. At this point I doubt he is getting a lot of nutrition from his solids and I don't care, he will be getting plenty from my milk.
Maybe you don't find the terminology derogatory towards those who spoon feed but I do.
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Posted By: Kellz
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 2:04pm
Having done both ( puree weaning and blw), I really dont see it as derogatory at all, but I do agree that it is misleading if u dont know what its about. The title doesnt really explain anything about what blw is about.
Its great that u are happy to "go with the flow" as to when and how much your baby wants to eat or not. That is certainly not the case with the Mums in my coffee groaup who every time we meet are comparing how much puree their babys are eating and how often, and get really stressed if their babies are not eating x ammount of food per meal. Often trying to think of ways they can get more into them. I know one who swapped to giving food first then milk at 6 months cos she wanted to make sure baby would eat more! Milk is far more important and more nutrious for baby. Thats why I like blw cos you cant see how much they are actually eating, and therefore the pressure is off you and baby!
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Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 2:11pm
Chikielou - http://www.borstvoeding.com/voedselintroductie/blw/engels.html - Here is a really good article about BLW - it's by Gill Rapley and has a section that explains the choking concerns well.
Sorry you feel that way TaliP!
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 2:25pm
Kellz wrote:
Having done both ( puree weaning and blw), I really dont see it as derogatory at all, but I do agree that it is misleading if u dont know what its about. The title doesnt really explain anything about what blw is about.
Its great that u are happy to "go with the flow" as to when and how much your baby wants to eat or not. That is certainly not the case with the Mums in my coffee groaup who every time we meet are comparing how much puree their babys are eating and how often, and get really stressed if their babies are not eating x ammount of food per meal. Often trying to think of ways they can get more into them. I know one who swapped to giving food first then milk at 6 months cos she wanted to make sure baby would eat more! Milk is far more important and more nutrious for baby. Thats why I like blw cos you cant see how much they are actually eating, and therefore the pressure is off you and baby! |
Yeah I can def see the advantages trust me, up until a few days ago I was nervous about the idea of even stringy bits in the pears I give him in the feeder so it is totally to do with my nervousness NOT anything to do with thinking it is 'wrong' or 'dangerous' or 'weirdo' or anything like that.
I am guessing once he has been eating for a bit longer I will build on confidence and start giving him finger foods, I have started mashing and leaving chunks in already (we only started a couple of weeks ago) instead of pureeing.
The name just bugs me, just like I said the name attachment parenting does (maybe people who create names should think of how it sounds)....Oh and when googling BLW, half the time it comes up as to do the finger foods and sometimes it is to do with baby choosing when to stop BF.....so it is a bit misleading and confusing.
And yes it pissed me off when it was suggested that feeding with a spoon was force feeding coz I don't!! I am sure there are mums who do but it is rather an assumption to think it is that way for all.
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 2:35pm
I was going to try this with Tyler but hes too little to work out how to get the food to his mouth and it makes him mad so I use a spoon. I don't puree it though just give it a quick mash. He also has the mesh feeder with frozen fruit in it but again I have to hold it for him. He starting to get the hang of hand to mouth coordination though he'll often dip hid fingers in his meal and get them to his mouth to suck so I guess a little bit of BLW (got to agree with some of the OPs - BLW is abit of a misleading name, BLFeeding would be better IMO). I'd leave him to it but he gets abit pissed if he doesn't get regular mouthfuls piggy much
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 4:16pm
Bizzy wrote:
i have seen so many parents try and force pureed food down a babys throat when they so obviously dont want it |
talip I am sorry if you took this to mean that you were force feeding your child.
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Posted By: nuts_nats
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 7:40pm
Hmm interesting discussion. Cleared up a few things for me too, thanks ladies. Personally I am not doing 'BLW' as such because I dislike any parenting method with too many 'rules' about what you should/ should not be doing! I think the idea of it BLW lends itself to being less work and less stress for mum and baby which I like, so stressing about whether I am doing it 'right' would sort of defeat the purpose!
I don't like the label BLW because it does make something quite old school sound 'faddy' and because how I feed my baby is not really so black and white as doing one thing or another.
I offer DD a mixture of finger food, mashed food and purees, she eats whatever she feel like eating, or not eating!
I find when I offer her food on a spoon, if I wait until she opens her mouth she will take the food off of the spoon herself, chew and swallow if its something she likes, or spit it out if its not!
I know I enjoy some foods like applesauce which can only be eaten with a spoon, I wouldn't want DD to miss out on these, and if I give her the spoon she shoves it in her mouth and gags on it!
But I also really enjoy watching her work out how to pick things up and eat them, its food exploration really, rather then eating
An interesting thought is if we fed our babies like our ancestors did it would be a combo of finger foods and 'purees' ... except our primitive counterparts made theirs in their mouths! Some say this is the origin of kissing
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Posted By: Kellz
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 7:53pm
Yuk, lol!
Foods that are ment to be eaten with a spoon (porridge, yougurt etc) can still be giving to blw babies, either by handing them a loaded spoon, or by giving them the spoon and bowl to go for it themselves.
I cant imagine this would work til they are closer to a yr old tho.
Anyone recommend a good baby spoon? We only have the very flat looking wattiees ones, and Im guessing the food will just fall off! Aidens enjoying chewing on the one we have, but I want to get a better, deeper baby spoon and have him get used to that!
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Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 8:20pm
The spoons I have for Isla are the Nuby brand. I haven't tried any other brand of spoon but she seems to manage quite well with these ones. And they change colour if the food is too hot so you always know when food is at the right temperature..... altho I wonder how you are meant to see the colour of the spoon if there is food on it...... lol
They also do sippy cups. I offered it to Isla the other day for the first time with water in (she's a booby baby so not used to cups/bottles) and she sucked on it like a wee pro! It is leak proof too which I love!
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Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 8:23pm
Nah, Kellz we gave Jude a spoon with food on it right from the get go and he worked it out! Or a fork with food on it :) He's always been able to get the spoon to his mouth and in.
I guess I've been lucky though - Jude has always been really really into his food. He figures things out very quickly. I love other people watching him eat because they always have a positive comment about it! Haha - I'm vain like that. As if it had anything to do with me - he just turned out like that!
I do smile at those that say they do things "the old fashioned way". There are lots of old fashioned ways! I usually assume they mean the old fashioned way according to what their mothers did? Otherwise they could be feeding gruel only (water and grains - much much runnier than purees) up until a year old. Or they could be chewing food to mix with their own saliva to then give to their baby. They could be waiting until 8 months to introduce solids or introducing them at 4-6 weeks.......... Or they could be introducing solids by offering their babies food in finger form - believe it or not this is an "old fashioned way" too!
We do they best with the information we have at the time - we have different information available to us now than our mothers and grandmothers did when they decided on their "old fashioned" methods.
P.S. I think that it not just related to the introduction of solids but pretty much EVERYTHING in life. I *like* change and progress - I feel it's usually for the better.
Sorry about the bit of a tangent there
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 8:24pm
Kellz - I always found all the baby spoons too shallow and small for DD to load and get to her mouth... I also hate how some of them are so long so she would often shove it in quickly and too far IYGWIM... then I found these cheap as spoons at the baby factory - they come in packs of about 5-6 in different bright colours. We found them the perfect size for her wee hands and the spoon part was a bit bigger and deeper... and so cheap which was good cos I was forever leaving them wherever we went
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 8:27pm
Kellz Lewies had a goa couple of times just with a normal teaspoon he even ''nearly'' gets it in lol I just put some stewed pear on it and hand it over
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 8:55pm
nuts_nats wrote:
Personally I am not doing 'BLW' as such because I dislike any parenting method with too many 'rules' about what you should/ should not be doing! I think the idea of it BLW lends itself to being less work and less stress for mum and baby which I like, so stressing about whether I am doing it 'right' would sort of defeat the purpose!
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rules schmules!!! LOL
i never read gil rapleys book or website or even heard of her before i started BLW, and i still havent read it. One of the first things that eden ate was sushi and she loved that. To me it was just an extension of safe food handling practises from being pregnant and being aware of not overly seasoning her food... which you have to do with purees too. i find more rules around the puree way of feeding.
as to spoons i found the little tupperware ones perfect.
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Posted By: palomino
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 9:09pm
totally agree on the tuppaware spoons, favs in this house
We didnt even know we were doing 'blw' wasnt till i read on the net, and was like OH thats what we are doing.
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Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 19 July 2010 at 9:11pm
Oh yeah - I meant to comment on the rules thing as well. Which rules are you talking about? I thought they were the same kind of common sense rules that you use with all kinds of feeding with babies - you know, like don't leave them alone, make sure they are sitting up etc.
It seems as if there could be as many rules around puree feeding - how much they should be eating at that age, what they should start off with, when they should progress to mash/finger foods. I certainly see as many questions about puree feeding as there are questions about BLW.
It's all what you make of it I guess! If you think it's going to be too hard and too restricting - well then, it probably will be
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Posted By: Kellz
Date Posted: 20 July 2010 at 7:11am
Thanks for the spoon help! We dont have a baby factory here, but I have been eying up the Tupperware baby set so might have to get that
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 20 July 2010 at 8:11am
kellz if you have a tupperware party they usually give little gifts and the spoons are great to snaffle - thats how i got so many. If you dont mind second hand spoons i can send you a couple if you want.
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Posted By: nuts_nats
Date Posted: 20 July 2010 at 9:45am
I didn't mean that those of you doing BLW necessarily follow rules! My comment was supposed to be more directed at those asking questions about BLW in this thread... to share my experience that you don't have to follow something exactly, you can adapt to what works for you and your baby, as it sounds like most of us are doing
And the rules I was talking about were following 'by the book' so to speak ie that if you are doing 'BLW' you shouldn't feed your baby mashes or purees etc and that you need to let your baby choose what to eat every meal.
I agree totally Bizzy there are alot of rules about purees too... when and what and how much you should feed your baby, its enough to give any new mum a complex. The other day my neighbor found out I was giving DD mashed egg yolk and said "but the chart says your not allowed to start that until x months"!! Its a guideline, not a rule book!
So I will second that rules schmules! hehe
Oh and I quite like the little baby spoons that come with the tommee tippee travel bowls, they are a good size for DD to hold, nice and soft and have a decent size 'scoop'
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Posted By: WestiesGirl
Date Posted: 20 July 2010 at 11:11pm
We do BLW and Jackson also gets some spoon feeding which is usually cereal and yoghurt. I dont follow any rules as such, but keep them in mind and use them to guide me.
I love BLW and Jackson loves it too but he also likes to be spoon fed particularly his cereal for breakfast and some veges at night. I have no idea about the stage food feeding as we've never done that, I actually get quite confused with the whole puree, some lumps, lots of lumps process or whatever it is.
Nat funny you mention the egg, Jackson has had egg from 8 months and has had peanut butter from that age too and we've had no problems
ETA spelling and also, with yoghurt, I've recently put it in a plastic cup for Jackson to drink it out of (same with soup). He loves it
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 12:48am
I didn't even know there was a stages thing...puree/lumps etc...must be a nz plunket thing.
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 8:58am
Westiesgirl, sounds like the same sort of thing i do with feeding, bit of both. I keep trying more finger food but hes not interested (besides his favourites)he gets grumpy at me if im not spoon feeding him. but will keep offering him finger food first then go from there. I dont actually think he likes lumps in his mouth, he screws up his face and spits lumps out. but anything he holds he sucks on like cruskits, toast, cheese, fruit etc....he doesnt actually chew it, so when i gave him some chicken he sucked it and got a piece off and was sucking it and i got very worried he was gonna suck it into his wind pipe cos he wasnt chewing.....he eventually sucked it and gagged and swallowed, but to me thats not the right way, he should be chewing and swallowing not swallowing on accident cos it got sucked that far back. so im gonna just keep with things that dissolve a bit better in his mouth like potato and kumara, things that do break down if sucked. I was just way too uncomfortable with the chicken the other night.
Ive also put a tin of pears that omg are soooo runny, in a cup and let him drink it. I might do the same for yoghurt too now you mention that.
Yeah tali thats the NZ plunket guidelines
Ive given Jesse some boiled egg, a piece from our salad the other night, he seemed to be ok with it. no peanut butter yet, but i ate it heaps after i had him so if he was allergic he wouldve reacted just from me having it on my lips etc (my first reacted when someone gave him a kiss after eating peanut butter)
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 10:02am
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you are kidding arent you?
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 10:04am
talip do they have an oz plunket or something similar?
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 10:42am
Not where I live they don't. Haven't been given any guidelines on what to feed so just going with what feels right to me. There are intolerances in the family so we are just doing one thing at a time.
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 10:44am
TaliP wrote:
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bloody hell, that sounds a bit isolating. No guidelines or help at all....
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 10:55am
Yeah, no mummys support group either hence why this site is so good along with my lovely Dec09 ladies.
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Posted By: WestiesGirl
Date Posted: 21 July 2010 at 11:03pm
Nat QLD Child Health Services also follow the same guidelines as Plunket. I guess by the sounds of things you dont have access to a CHN without having to travel for hours. You could ring 13HEALTH for advice if you needed it Also on the QLD Health http://access.health.qld.gov.au/hid/ChildHealth/index.asp - website has some helpful info. I often find the Plunket website really good to refer to as well.
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