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    Posted: 14 September 2009 at 10:57am
I know, join the queue. There must be hundreds of mum's with this problem, so I'm hoping there are some good tips out there.

My DS is 6wk+5dy. Starting about a week ago he won't sleep during the day. Good night sleeper - once he's down but that can take anywhere from 1-4hrs.

I know he's tired. His wee eyes droop, he's alseep? 5-15 min later, he's awake and grumpy. Some rocking and stuff, asleep again - for another 5-15 min, then awake and grumpier. This goes on and on. Then it's really time for his next feed, I try to BF, but he's too tired.
So he ends up snacking, 5-15min napping, and getting grumpier everytime.

Amazingly enough he actually had a proper nap yesterday, and I had a wee happy angel again    (till he got tired and wouldn't sleep).

Any idea's on how to get him to stay asleep?
(oddly enough, getting him to sleep is not the main problem)
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What about wearing baby - I haven't heard of a baby yet that won't sleep when wrapped up nice and snuggly with Mamma!
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Hi there! Ashley did this for a bit. Not sure what changed to make her do better. SOme days she still does that but others she is much better. The 3 things I know affect her sleep are:
1. Growth spurts - she doesn't nap much at all during those. There is huge one at 6 weeks so that may well be it for you
2. Getting her into bed at the right moment - can be tricky to get them down at th right time and not too early or too late. If she is even a bit overtired she will wake frequently and then all the other naps of the day are shot too.
3. Swaddling tightly - if it is loose she does't nap well.

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Well I have always had trouble getting Cody down for day sleeps, though he is getting better now. Most of the time I either let him feed to sleep either lying down or sitting up. I have proberly dug myself a hole by doing this but it is what worked and I don't have to do it very often now.

It is possible to stop him feeding at just the right time so that he is still awake but really relaxed so that he goes to sleep without any fuss once in his cot. Though often I just go to sleep next to him when lying down.
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This is what worked for us when H was tiny:

- making sure he was only up for 1 hour max, incl feeds
- wrapping him tightly
- pulling curtains
- wind down time (a little cuddle and song)
- white noise (I used a radio tuned between stations to get the static)

If all else failed and he needed a good sleep I took him for a walk.
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I read somewhere that you should stop wrapping them tightly to sleep from about 4-8 weeks.
What age have other mums stopped wrapping?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote elk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 September 2009 at 4:27pm
I swaddled Toby til almost 6 months then swapped to a sleeping bag. We did the EASY routine, eat, activity, sleep (you time) and made sure to get him to sleep before he was over tired (which a lot quicker than you'd expect). Avoid feeding to sleep (it took us a long time to break this habit once started).
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We wrapped Callum till he was almost 6 months, I was keen to do it longer (it was the one thing we did differently the first night he slept 12 hours lol) but DH thought he was too big for his miracle wrap and made an executive decision Anyways, he's now 9 months and happily in a sleeping bag. But if your baby is happy to be wrapped longer I don't see why 4-8 weeks should be a magic number to stop wrapping For some babies the startle reflex lasts longer than others, I know this used to wake Callum a bit. Also, he just seemed to like the security of being wrapped.
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We kept wrapping DD till later too (6.5months) as it made getting to sleep so much easier and quicker. I'd stick with if as long as you need to especially in the first few months - whatever works!
I think I found it harder from about 6-8 weeks to get DD to sleep as she was suddenly much more alert and aware of things. There is some good info on the Sleep Store's website if you haven't discovered that already :)
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We wrapped for six months (even the arms over the top pf her gogo bag when she went into one)

It sounds like Isaac is overtired, just be sure to get him down within one hour for a better chance of him sleeping well.
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Yep definately agree swaddle for much longer than that if bubs is okay with it, we swaddled for 6/7mths and Hayden was a great little day sleeper and only woke for a quick feed during the night. We tried weaning him off it at 4mths and it was a massive disaster so went to one arm out and that was fine and then at 6mths he was ready and we just stopped cold turkey and he wasnt bothered at all.

The one hour turn around was really important at that age for us, but sometimes he would get tired quicker and the rule in our house was to get him back to bed between the 2nd and 3rd yawns!

When he was really little we sometimes had an issue with the late afternoon sleep so often I would wear him in the front pack so he would get much needed sleep. I think a sling would be more comfy than the Baby Bjorn and will get one for any future kidlets we might have.

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Still wrapping here, but just under the arms - so arms out but legs wrapped. Wrapped with arms in until 3.5 weeks.
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Thanks all.
He had a bad night last night (unusual for him).
But I actually got 2 1/2 naps out of him yesterday
He seems to be powerless against the power of an off-station radio    It does however mean I can't go down for a nap in the same room as the white noise really doesn't work for me

How long are other mum's making the naps?

Yesterday, I did first nap 1.5 hrs. Second nap 3 hrs (almost woke at 1.5, but I left him 5 min and he went back to sleep on his own). Tried for a late afternoon nap, and got a few batches of 5-10min while being held.
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