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    Posted: 08 September 2011 at 5:07pm
I have a 5 month old who is waking about 6 times a night between 7pm and 5am. She is fully wrapped and uses a dummy. As a bit of history, she had bad colic and reflux as a NB and is on losec. I found the dummy helped with her reflux but is now becoming problematic.

A few months ago she was waking once or twice a night but now she is waking every 1.5-2hrs and is difficult to settle upon waking. She is also up for the day at 5am as I can't leave her to cry because of her sister sleeping next door. Needless to say I'm exhausted! We've increased her Losec but it's not made much difference.

I think she needs weaning off the wrap and or dummy but I'm unsure hat o start with. Seems cruel to take both away at the same time. However the problem is she can't put the dummy back in when wrapped, nor can she self settle without the dummy if wrapped. Has anyone got any tips on where to begin?? TIA!

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Well, I guess you've got to lose one - either teach her to put her dummy back in, so she'll need her hands free, or ditch the dummy and then it doesn't matter if her hands are still wrapped.

I'd go for ditching the dummy, personally, which is only because Jacob wasn't wrapped at that point and still couldn't work out how to get it back in himself and was waking like she was.

We just did it cold turkey - it meant a hard hard night the first time round, with lots of crying (and he's the type that when he's upset, he cries if you're cuddling him, he cries if he's in his cot, he just cries because he hasn't got what he wants and there's no consoling him, so there definitely were tears). But the second night was much better, and the third was basically fine. You might find it's as relatively painless for you.

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As a contrast DS could help himself to a dummy easily by 5 months so you could always give it a shot to see if she can as well. My suggestion would be to unwrap her arms which would let her put her own dummy back but still give the security of being wrapped. Each to their own though. Also Hopes i am not stalking you but the picture of J crying after you took his wrap away you mean mean mummy might be the best picture i ever saw come up in my side bar thingy on facebook.
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Hahaha, I LOVE that picture (Jacob started rolling in his wrap and getting stuck facedown on his mattress, kabe, so he had to go cold turkey with that too).

Good point about giving her a try. She might be a bit brighter than Jacob (DH was all worried that he was dumb when he couldnt' manage to co-ordinate mouth to dummy )

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We unwrapped one arm & had the dummy on the Nuk chain, means it makes a noise so they can hear if they're in the region of the dummy. So best of both worlds.

Put the dummy on the chain during the day so she learns to put it back herself & then she'll be able to do it in her sleep.
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ditch the wrap, get a baby sleeping bag. I know they are expensive but worth every sent, the sleepstore.co.nz has a wide variety. Leave a couple of dummies in the cot and a nightlight on. I'm guessing with free arms and a little bit of light bubba will learn really quickly where to find it. Also try not putting it in at bed time...show her that you are putting it beside her and she should after a little while know there is one to find. I did that with my dummy dependent son (also a reflux baby) and he slept through as soon as he could find it. We weaned him at 17 months...and now I wish that getting him to sleep on a difficult night was as easy as popping a dummy back in...
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Thanks for the tips. I think I'm going to focus on weaning from the wrap first, so she can learn to self soothe and put the dummy back in herself. I've got some sleeping bags so will look to moving her into one of them. I've started unwrapping one arm for day sleeps and that's been fairly ok.

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kabe , I'm watching with interest, with the exception of the dummy the rest could be my DS. Wakes several times a night, can't self settle, still wrapped and a mummy going slowly mad.....

Not sure about the one arm out, it would drive me bonkers to have one arm free and the other not, I would think that either both out or both in would be better wouldn't it?
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Clover, the sleep store (yes I've been asking everyone for advice!)suggested to start keeping one arm out as a way to wean from wrapping, rather than going cold turkey. it's working well during the day. haven't been brave enough to try it at night yet!

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Ok, that's good to know.

I spoke with plunket yesterday who have given me a good plan to try and teach him to self settle. She has advised to leave him wrapped for now and to transition once he is sleeping better, so when that time comes I'll be sure to do the 1 arm first.

Good luck!
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I think I wrote the exact same post about 6 months ago!

The thing that worked for us was to tie her dummy to a hankie - it was much easier for DD to find it in the cot in the dark. I showed it to her first, and handed it to her, and within 5 min she got it.

So then she went out of the wrap and into a sleeping bag. Unfortunately she had to go into the safety sleep as she moves around so much that she gets all worked up and won't settle.
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Well things haven't really improved other than that I'm keeping one arm unwrapped during all sleeps. DD is waking throughout the night (up to 10 times) for dummy plugs. She still can't figure out how to put it back in her mouth when it falls out. So my next question is has anyone successfully weaned their baby from needing dummy plugs in the night, but is still able to use one to settle baby to sleep initially? TIA!

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Yeah I did. My DS1 was a reflux baby and had a dummy AND was swaddled til 1yo lol but we went throught the unsettled stage at around 7mo. He slept better when wrapped so we just figured he'd have to self-settle without the dummy if he lost it during the night. Have you tried just going in and patting her to help her resettle?? We did that, just giving him abit of a jiggle til he crashed out again. Soon as he stopped crying we stopped jiggling. He ended up sleeping through without his dummy fairly quickly!

As for your 3yo you may find she quickly learns to sleep through any crying. My 2 have pretty much always shared a room and DS1 was fine sleeping through DS2s wailing
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Kabe

Our baby girls still has dummy and is 18 months - went thru a rough patch about 5 months and then again about 9 months i think - now she can do it all herself..

No probs off to sleep at night and dont really hear from her in the night anymore

I know one day we will have to take it off her but that day will come

As for wrap - just went cold turkey few days and nights of hardly any sleep but now sleeps so much better
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