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    Posted: 27 July 2010 at 11:47am
Hey ladies,

At what point would you take your bubba to the doctor re: excema?

Just when I thought Roo's skin was clearing up (and it has on his body) his face has totally flared up and is now weeping

I don't use soap, but do use Eco Store shampoo (trialed not using this and made no difference). I've tried aqueous cream which made his skin bright red, I've had some success with Eco Store bum cream (this is what cleared up the excema on his body) and now I've just bought a new cream which is suppose to be for sensitive skin and cost $$$ but isn't making any obvious improvements just yet.

Just wondering at what point we should try a mild hydrocortisone cream
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I would go to the doctors, ours never got that bad but I've been given the same cream for any nasty red patches... And was told to only put it on the nasty red patches, just a tiny bit as it can thin the skin!

You might need to let it dry out a bit then continue to moisturise it, etc. We have Emulsifying ointment that we put on Lily at everynappy change and before and after a bath. Doc has us using it as a soap substitute so we put it on before her bath and when she is in the bath we rub it in and wash it off. We use absolutely no other products jic.

Poor wee fella, hope you find the right solution soon!!
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I would definitely go to the doc. Best cream we've had is cetomacrogol with 10%glycerine. The chemist will have to make it up, but it's awesome! DD reacted to aqueous cream, and the fatty lemnis cream got all over her clothes too - that one was so greasy! If it's weepeing, you may also need to use a mild hydrocortisone (as you suggested - there is nothing wrong with using it to clear up the worst of it and 'break the cycle'), and also something antibacterial to make sure the skin doesn't get infected. Try a couple drops of tea tree oil in the bath? Our specialist would have put DD on antibiotics had her eczema been weeping, as the last thing you need is a secondary bacterial infection.

The big question is what is causing the eczema? I would also suggest starting to think about the process of figuring out if it's a food allergy etc. It is far far easier once you know what is causing it (if you can!), rather than having to deal with the end result! Not sure if GP's can request skin prick or RAST blood tests directly, or if that has to go through a specialist (as we went directly through the allergy specialist). Best of luck, eczema is a PITA!
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Thanks for the tea-tree tip, will start adding that to his bath.

Yup, it's a right royal PITA It's the not knowing what causes it to flare up and what works best to help sooth it, that's so frustrating

I did try cutting out dairy, but it made no difference (tried of 6 weeks) and I'm praying it's not a gluten/wheat thing.

TBH, I think it's just one of those things. OH had baby excema, and I still get mild flare ups every now and again.

I've been keeping a very close eye out for infection, especially around the back of his ears, where it goes a bit crusty

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Get your GP to request the skin pricks or the RAST. That is how I got mine done.
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Definitely before it's got to this state!! You need to treat eczema before it gets so itchy that it gets infected and at this point it sounds infected... so definitely go. The Dr will treat the eczema and the infection.
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This is the frustrating thing.... it was clearing up and has gone from almost clear to all crusty and weeping in 48hrs!
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DS suffers badly with eczema and we had tried everything under the sun with no improvement. We were then referred to a GP who specialises in skin conditions. PM me if your in Auckland and ill give you his details.

We now use sunlight soap in the bath and gaia lotion. We also got a cream made up which we use on the bad patches. He is 1000 times better than he was and it much happier. He is still BF and we are holding off solids at the moment until we get to see the paed and get allergy tests done. I also had to cut out heaps from my diet.

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Poor thing!

As others have said, take him to your GP and request allergy tests. Some GPs will do them, others won't. If yous won't, ask to be referred to a specialist. Our allergy specialist told me that eczema on the face in the first 6 months is almost always a food allergy.

It is less likely to be wheat/gluten and more likely to be something like nuts or eggs if not dairy (although many Mums disagree, apparently wheat and gluten do not go through BM).

Good luck!
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eeek poor thing! its horrible how quickly it flares up! my DS gets it...not overly bad but enough to annoy him something cronic, our doc just gave us a 1% hydrocortozone cream to use on the bad bits which I have used only 3 times but it's enough to take the worst out of it.

My mum was reading an article on a product called moo goo which helped a wee guy when nothing else would, I think i might get some for DS and give it a go.

the website is here

or I have just seen you can get it on trade me here


I hope you get something that works for him soon

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OK just back from the doctor and he said it's very unlikely to be an allergy. He said I'm doing everything right and it'll clear up eventually. He's given me some antiseptic type cream to apply 2x a day on the nasty bits.

That MooGoo looks interesting $30 though!
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Milliemoo - hopefully it does clear up soon! And before we figured out what DD's issues were, we spent hundreds trying every cream under the sun! Another really good one is xmaease (sp?), but that's also $30 a tube!

Just from experience, if it doesn't clear up, don't take your GP's word for it not being caused by an allergy......we had about 3 months of horrible eczema and rhinitis which my GP said was "just one of those things", but once we saw the specialist, did the tests and found out what her food allergies were (and they were moderate to severe), everything totally cleared up within 3 weeks of me cutting out the food triggers. I also had eczema as a baby/child, so also wrote DD's eczema off as a normal childhood thing
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Fingers crossed this cream helps the nasty bits.... just checked and it's called Foban.
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Millie my doc said the same thing pretty much, wants us to wait until we start solids before she looks at allergy testing etc.

Her eczema definitely improves when I cut out certain foods from my diet, I am currently looking at getting calcium supplements as doc told me off for cutting stuff from my diet that I need.
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poor baby and poor you!

I have to agree with blondy and wouldn't necessarily take your GPs word for it. Lots of GPs don't seem to acknowledge a link between food allergies and eczema

Don't know if it's bad to link to another forum on here but there is a great allergy forum on everybody.co.nz - the parents there have been so helpful answering all my questions about allergies & eczema.

Hope you manage to get it sorted - we had 7 months of a miserably itchy baby being up for hours in the night every night before we got it under control.
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I wish I could remember what my doc said re: allergies. It did make sense to me, but I'm rubbish at remembering things. I think it might have been something to do with the fact it's mainly his face ie: not all over.
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Cooper gets really bad ezcema on his cheeks from wheat. Dairy & soy are on other parts.
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I'm also doing the mission with ezcema and trying to work out the cause, We had a weepy jaw the other day, but its now clear thank goodness.

We're on early days, tried almond oil as a moisturizor, aqueous, lemnis, aveeno and one other - whats weird is one day somethign will seem to work, then not 2 days later argh.

I'm keeping a food/skin etc diary at the moment so i can hope to pinpoint why. C has it mainly on her face but she does get the elbows, knees and chest too.
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As an adult who suffered from excema as a kid I can tell you how it affected me. Mine was dairy allergy. I would start to itch within 1/2 an hour from eating cheese or yogurt. Longer with other dairy. Within a few hours it was weeping and gross. I also had patches. Back of neck, inside creases of elbows and knees and eyelids. As an adult I can now eat dairy but I have to keep myself moisterised. If I have a flare up I cut out dairy until it is under control again and then reintroduce.

I second what others say about getting allergy tests done. You can waste so much time and energy not to say money on trying things that in the end are only treating symptoms and not the main cause. It took 9 years back in the early 80's to figure out it was dairy and in this day and age drs should at least rule out allergy and be sure when the tests are available rather than make broad general statements.   I would be getting a second opinion.   The fact that it has gone to weeping so quickly reminds me of my allergy excema.   

ETA not trying to belittle your doctor as he has a medical degree and has been practising medicine. Just giving my uneducated opinion after having excema myself.   

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Is there any way to "convince" a doctor to do these? I've asked last time i was there, but was recommended trying another cream first, and that they would really rather not do it rah rah rah.

Or do you just have to visit a new doctor ?
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