Coffee Catchup 6th May - NELSON with Dorothy Waide
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Topic: Coffee Catchup 6th May - NELSON with Dorothy Waide
Posted By: skiltz
Subject: Coffee Catchup 6th May - NELSON with Dorothy Waide
Date Posted: 28 April 2014 at 9:19am
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OHbaby! Coffee Catchup - 6th May 2014. Feel free to ask questions and Dorothy will reply when she can.
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Posted By: Marianne139101
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 8:46am
Hi Dorothy,
Marianne here, Just wanting to thank you again for being such a super star yesterday!
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Posted By: Nicky141496
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 9:53am
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Hi Dorothy thanks for yesterday! Would have loved to been at that talk when my baby was a newborn! Can u tell me what a 6 month baby day would look like?
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Posted By: NicKeeves
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 7:53pm
Hi Dorothy
Thanks for yesterday!
What's does a typical day look like for a 6month old, as my 6 month old feeds on demand all day and between 2-4 times a night. Therefore should I work on sorting feeding or sleeping first?
Thanks
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Posted By: deemelville134435
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 9:28pm
Hi Dorothy,
thanks for your talk it was very informative!
You spoke to me about changing my son Liam's (8.5mths) feeding to food before milk for every meal which we have done -wakes and within 15mins has breakfast, milk, play, milk, sleep, play, lunch, milk, play, milk, sleep, short play, dinner, milk, bath, milk, play, bottle & bed. He is still not a big fan of food, he loves his milk! but I'll persist.
I tried resettling him today for both sleeps the first time he was up for 3 hrs and down slept 30mins woke so I sat by his cot and did the cupping technique for 30 mins. He fell back to sleep but he was only in the light sleep - his eyes were twitching etc... after about 5 mins of this he would wake again. After 1hr 10mins (in total) I got him up. Later in the arvo I lay with him (I'm all stuffed up with a head cold so took the opportunity to rest while resettling). He had been awake for 3hrs 45mins but this was at a push. Again he slept for 30 mins stirred but I was able to turn him onto his side and he went back to sleep for another 40mins! This always happens if I'm lying next to him. He will have a good sleep. Even though it was a 1hr 10min sleep there was no resettling after this!
Should I continue to resettle him the time it takes to make 1.5hrs? I find it quite hard because he only has 30min sleep cycles... you thoughts?
PS: the karicare does do the formula for constipation.
thanks, dee
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Posted By: Sarah144133
Date Posted: 08 May 2014 at 9:02am
Hi,
Thanks for all your great tips on Tues.
When my daughter woke last night I left her to cry for 10 mins before going in. When I went into her room she got more upset when seeing me, pushed against me and was hard to settle. It broke my heart! Do you have any tips to make this easier for me?
Tks
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Posted By: Cindy144148
Date Posted: 08 May 2014 at 10:34am
Hi Dorothy,
Thank you for all the wonderful advice on Tuesday, I found it very interesting and informative, a huge amount of info in a short time!
I spoke to you about my 5 1/2 month baby boy Tanner. We have a few issues to work through and I'm wondering what order you would recommend tackling them in and any tips to overcome each issue, which includes:
- stop swaddling (I tried cold turkey as you suggested, but his wee wings do not stop flapping and it takes him twice as long to settle and he only sleeps one sleep cycle)
- get rid of white noise
- waking to feed 10pm-12am & 3-4am (although only had one feed last night at 2am)
- waking early in the morning (5-6am, sometimes resettles, not always, what to do if he starts the day at 6am? I am putting him to bed too early in the evening at 6.15-6.30pm?)
- start solids (when, what first)
Thank you
Cindy
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Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 10 May 2014 at 5:08pm
Hi Nicky
Here is a guideline for a babies between 5 and 8 months plus. WHen reading the charts take note of the headings - when there are options it is one or the other, not both.
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Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 10 May 2014 at 5:37pm
HI Nic
I have just posted two general guideline charts for babies 5 mths to 8 months plus. Your question re what do you sort first feeding or sleeping.
My suggestion would be to do both together as sleep and food are nutrients and they walk hand in hand so to get the best results you need to look at both.
ideally at 6 months your baby is having wake times of 3 hours and having 2 naps with a minimum 1 1/2hours. To get your baby's routine to where you need to go , consistency is important and it takes a minimum of 10 days to see a light at the end of the tunnel. The hardest are the first 3 to 4 days and it takes at least six weeks to change their circadian sleep cycle. (normally it takes 3 weeks to change their circadian sleep cycle with 100% consistency).
In my experience it takes approximately 20 minutes for a baby to fall asleep. Here is a guide to encourage her to learn how to self settle. Self settling is about falling asleep and re settling is about keeping them asleep
When working with the self settling and re settling the different stages are that. I would suggest that you do stage 1 for ten days and then STOP, THINK and ACT - the act may be to go to stage 2 or the act may be to stay at stage 1 for another 10 days. At some stage you do need to step back further.
If your baby is not having awake times of 3 hours, then stretch out by 15 minutes and again after 10 days, STOP, THINK, and ACT. Again if you are happy stretch-out another 15minutes or again hold for another 10 days. uploads/45521/12_wk_general_settling_&_resettlingOHbaby!May2014_.docx" rel="nofollow - 12_wk_general_settling_&_resettlingOHbaby!May2014_.docx
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Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 10 May 2014 at 5:46pm
HI Dee
Yes, it will take some time to teach him to resettle. You haven't mentioned what time he wakes in the morning but the goal in working out his routine is to start with the start time and finish time and then work backwards to get 2 naps and wake times in between.
He does need more sleep than 30 minutes. I would also suggest looking at his room where he naps. If he is an alert active baby and easily stimulated he will need a dark room to sleep in. Just by making a baby's room darker can improve their sleeping issues. This does not mean he will not sleep in other situations, but in fact it will improve his changes of sleeping better out and about as his body will wait to close down at his nap times and go to sleep.
The time frame that you have before meals ideally is consistent so when he wakes in the morning would be around the same time frame as that for when he wakes before lunch and also before dinner.
When you are in the room resettling and he falls asleep, then you can stop the cupping but leave your hands on his body, when he stirs start the cupping again and continue this pattern to try and extend his sleep time. OVer time this will become less and he will not need help to resettle.
And thanks for the information on the karicare
Dorothy
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Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 10 May 2014 at 5:50pm
HI Sarah
YOu haven't mentioned what her daytime routine is, or how old she is. I don't tackle night time issues without looking at their daytime routine.
It would also break my heart so until i Know what her daytime routine is, I would be advising you not to do this.
You can email me direct with her routine and age and then I can give you some suggestions and tools.
email address is dorothy@babyhelp.co.nz. I look forward to hearing from you.
Dorothy
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Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 10 May 2014 at 5:51pm
Thank you but as you know it wouldn't be a success without your support.
Dorothy
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Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 10 May 2014 at 5:52pm
Hi Ladies
Thank you for all your questions and hopefully the answers will help you. It was lovely to meet you all at the OHBaby Coffee Catchup.
Remember before you do anything STOP, THINK, and ACT – work out what you are doing, why you are doing, and what you are trying to accomplish and then act.
Remember YOU are the baby’s mum and so listen to your heart and instinct. Yes, we all don’t do it by the book, or get it right the first time, but you need to make ‘mistakes’ to get it right for you. It’s a time of learning a little person’s personality and figuring out what works for your home life.
If you have the time I would love to see you pop over to http://www.facebook.com/BabyWithin
and 'like' it. You can then keep up with information that I post from time to time or hear from other mothers who write on the wall.
Please remember as a parent or carer that you should understand and acknowledge that Dorothy is NOT a licensed medical doctor or other licensed medical provider and the information that I share with you has come from experience and working with numerous families and babies and toddlers
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Posted By: Jennasigglek104458
Date Posted: 15 May 2014 at 10:49am
Hi Dorothy, thank you for the tips.
I have been spending the last two weeks putting in practice what I have learnt from you. My child is 10 months old and still wakes 2-3 times a night. I changed his feeding and it seemed to help with him sleeping for longer periods of time. He still however wakes during the night and just instantly screams. there is no grizzling or talking etc its full on screaming, like he got a fright or is scared. I know you recommend having the room dark but could he be afraid of the dark? Any ideas on what to try? I use a safety sleep so he cant hit the side of the cot and wake himself up but perhaps this is the problem? would love to hear your thoughts. Also, becasue he wakes often during the night and can be awake for an hour or so, during the day he cant last the 3-3.5hour awake time. Just crashes out. he has two one-1.5 hour naps during the day and I have tried the resettling but he just screams and will vomit if I dont get to him. He also doesnt like me to touch him when hes in bed - its either pick me up or nothing attitude and he will vomit during the cupping as he just screams. Needing suggestions to get him to sleep longer during the day, stay awake for longer periods for play time and ideas on his instant screaming.
Cheers
Jenna
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