Troublesome trying
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Topic: Troublesome trying
Posted By: Mintyfresh
Subject: Troublesome trying
Date Posted: 11 April 2012 at 10:36pm
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Hi everyone,
I was just looking for the right thread to post in, but no where feels right for me at the moment, so here is a new thread :) DH and I have been trying for 9 months this month - our first was due on Anzac day, but we have lost all three pregnancies to date and we have also not conceived for the last two cycles of trying, which is very new to us. As my first was an ectopic, our next pregnancy determines what happens - a baby would be fantastic, a miscarriage would give us a referral to a recurrent loss clinic. Now my body isn't cooperating. Is anyone else still trying after a series of losses? Have you found it hard to keep going as time passes? ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: farmgal72
Date Posted: 13 April 2012 at 11:58am
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Hi Mintyfresh!
So sorry for all your heartaches! I hope things improve for you. Have you read The charting girls forum? It seems there have been some similar experiences...... I wish I could help, but I am TTC#1.....and 39. I will be thinking of you  ------------- 39 yrs TTC #1 since March 2012 |
Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 14 April 2012 at 12:42pm
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Thanks farmgal, I don't chart at all, so I don't think that would be the right place for me either.
Good luck with your trying :) I hope it goes well and you don't have to try for too long! Two days until expected ov here - fx we get lucky this month! ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: chonny
Date Posted: 14 April 2012 at 6:00pm
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hi love, i feel for you, i havent been through this exactly except that i currently have all the symptoms of being preggy yet arent and am now two month od for AF. sucks have the wait aye hun -------------   
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Posted By: kelzie_rose
Date Posted: 14 April 2012 at 8:02pm
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Hey Minty,
Hun, I'm so sorry that you've gone through all this. It's just not fair. After my third loss, my fertility guy told us not to get pregnant, and I knew that I was done. I couldn't do it any more. A month later I was pregnant. I'm not going to tell you to relax, because that's easier said than done. And I'm not going to say that if you don't try, it'll happen because that doesn't always ring true. I am going to say that you should have faith that it can happen. We got our baby four years after we starting trying. All the best lovie xx -------------  Started TTC Apr 2008 With PCOS and a bicornuate uterus Our angel babies Jan 2010 <3 Oct 2010 <3 Apr 2011 <3 |
Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 14 April 2012 at 11:45pm
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Chonny I assume you're getting negative blood tests? That is so strange, although I know someone who had that happen recently, her blood works were all normal and they don't know why it happened.
Kelzie, that is reassuring. Your little girl is beautiful, and I love her name :) do you think you'll try for another? ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: chonny
Date Posted: 15 April 2012 at 12:51am
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Hi Minty,
actually i havent gone to my gp for bloods as i know she will say not to stress, although this time round i will be asking for an internal too as internally feels preggy too. IYKWIM Anyways, just wanted to say i feel for you and my thoughts are with you -------------
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Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 15 April 2012 at 12:18pm
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Thank you :) let me know how you go if you do go to the doctor for tests! ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Storm11
Date Posted: 16 April 2012 at 8:41am
Hi Minty! I'm so sorry you have had to endure three MC's  I have had 2 and am now on to our 10month of trying for #2. I have just got a BFN today and AF is on her way  we will try again this month but I am finding it extremely difficult to keep going. Just so frustrating as our DD was conceived first month of trying, so I was just expecting it to be just as easy when we were ready to try for #2. Now I constantly ask myself "what if" What if we had just started trying like a year earlier or something.... would it have made a difference?
I can totally understand where you are coming and just how you must be feeling! Do you test for OV or anything? I do and I actually think in a way it makes it harder as you know you have BD exactly when you should and it still doesnt work! Chin up though, fingers crossed it happens really soon for you. A friend of mine has suggested Acupuncture and swears by it... maybe an option you can look at? Also, my GP told me after my 2nd MC that if it happened a 3rd time she would send me for testing.... such a shame we have to wait for "that next MC"
Our bodies are mysterious things..... big hugs to you  ------------- TTC #2 6+ yrs. Multiple chemical losses, 4 IVF rounds, multiple FET's. Fingers still crossed for a miracle to come our way 
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Posted By: kelzie_rose
Date Posted: 16 April 2012 at 9:58am
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No, we wont be trying for another. The long TTC, the miscarriages, finances... And our family feels complete. We know our limit, and we know not to push it! ------------- Started TTC Apr 2008 With PCOS and a bicornuate uterus Our angel babies Jan 2010 <3 Oct 2010 <3 Apr 2011 <3 |
Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 17 April 2012 at 12:11am
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Storm - funny you mention acupuncture. I tried it at a heal Christchurch event last month (around ov I think!) and DH tried natural touch - the lady told him would have strong babies, and the acupuncture day told me she would work on my fertility.
I used to test for ov, but after my ectopic I realized I could feel when I ovulated, so there was no need to test. I've never really not fallen preg,so the whole "but we did it at the right time" hasn't reared it's head thankfully. I can't even imagine how hard it is to have trouble conceiving paired with loss. Kelzie as of today I understand exactly why you would choose to stick with one baby. I spent a lot of today at the pegasus health clinic because of a suspected ectopic. We have no definite answers besides that I am somehow pregnant and probably 6 weeks along.I should know more by Thursday. This is my fourth pregnancy since July 2011 and I just don't know how much more heartache I can take. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: epictraveller
Date Posted: 17 April 2012 at 5:08am
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Oh minty I'm praying its not ectopic and will be a nice sticky bubs for you! FX!!! ------------- #1  Angel babies April 2013, Nov 2013 IVF #1 Nov 2013-CP IVF #2 May 2014-BFN IVF #3 Feb 2015-BFN DS Jun 2015-BFN Oct 16 -Natural BFP! TTC #2 |
Posted By: chonny
Date Posted: 18 April 2012 at 1:03pm
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Minty thinking of you too hun! Keep us posted! big huge hugs and sticky vibes -------------
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Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 18 April 2012 at 9:06pm
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I got my first bloods back today 29, so it looks like I am miscarrying. I'm seeing my doctor on Friday regarding a referral to a recurrent loss spec.
Hopefully this will help us get get there ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: chonny
Date Posted: 18 April 2012 at 9:13pm
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big huge hugs Minty :(
Im cram[ping chronic today, and this morning was agony, but no AF yet, another HPT was neg today so i guess this could be af hearing her ugly head finally after 2 mths for me. Good luck and keep us posted -------------
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Posted By: Twinklerose
Date Posted: 18 April 2012 at 9:27pm
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Oh Minty, sorry to hear ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: kelzie_rose
Date Posted: 18 April 2012 at 11:12pm
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Oh hun, I am so sorry :( ------------- Started TTC Apr 2008 With PCOS and a bicornuate uterus Our angel babies Jan 2010 <3 Oct 2010 <3 Apr 2011 <3 |
Posted By: TravelGal
Date Posted: 19 April 2012 at 8:12pm
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Hugs minty. So sad to hear your news
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Posted By: redtulip
Date Posted: 19 April 2012 at 8:35pm
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Hi ladies,
Mintyfresh, I'm just so sorry to hear your news. I really hope that you're referral brings you some answers so you can continue your journey with some help when you feel ready. I have had 2 missed mc's since DH and I started TTC just under a year ago. As much as we would desperately love a family it's so hard to think that it may happen again. I can totally understand why anyone might decide not to. As mentioned, it is such a shame that we should have to suffer 3 losses before being referred. For me it's made it a bit easier to carry on this 3rd attempt. ------------- 5 wee Angels - Always in our hearts - Aug '11, Feb '12, Aug '12, Feb '13, Aug '13
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Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 20 April 2012 at 12:07am
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Thank you everyone for your kind thoughts. I'm ok at the moment, I haven't started bleeding which is a concern as it is a suspected ectopic until my wed BT results come back tomorrow. That said it would be easier if I don't start bleeding until tomorrow after work.
Red tulip i am sorry to hear about your losses, may ask how far along you were when you found out? I don't like it either, it's like a morbid goal post, and although I understand that it is to prevent overloading of the system by women who have had less than 3 miscarriages, i still wish that somehow the doctor could refer based on their judgement before you have to get to three losses. There must be some people who get to two or three losses and cannot deal with anymore and choose to stay childless. Hopefully it is AF Chonny - but did you make it to your doctor at all, as you were saying you felt preg? I had the day off work today, and so did DH - last night everything came to a head, it was very emotional and I let out a lot of anger and sadness and grief that had been pent up. I'm usually quite stoic and I have only had time off work for recovery following my ectopic. I hadn't had any time off following my miscarriages. I woke up this morning with a swollen face from crying so much, and I was so scared to talk to clients so it felt best to take a day for myself. I am really glad that I did. DH was going to go to work, but then when he started to leave I realized I was actually quite scared to spend the day by myself - I think it is related to the loneliness I feel when I miscarry. I think the time we spent together today really helped our relationship as things were feeling very strained. I finally started knitting something for myself (I usually only knit baby clothes) and I spent an hour or two sleeping with my head on DH's lap - and bless him he sat still until I woke up Off to see my GP tomorrow, hopefully she will confirm that my hcg has dropped to under 5, as I am still a bit scared that I'll get an abnormal result back. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: chonny
Date Posted: 20 April 2012 at 8:05am
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hugs minty, hopefully you are wrong and yoru bloods have tripled :D
still no AF for me and cant afford dr at mo so just going with the flow. we have decided not to ttc so im not worried, i guess is i start feeling movements then i will do something, otherwise i guess just go with the flow of what ever my body needs to do. im under a fair bit of emotional stress so that could well be whats going on -------------
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Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 20 April 2012 at 6:55pm
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Hey chonny, i like how relaxed you are about it :) let me know how you go.
My BT result from wed was 10, down from 29, so it looks like I am miscarrying. My doctor has organized BTs for DH and I to do the initial testing, and has arranged a referral to a recurrent loss clinic, and DH and I have agreed to not try until we have seen the specialist. I will definitely continue to lurk around here in case advice is needed, and as the miscarriage board is very quiet, I'm sure this thread could be useful for some. I'll also provide updates on my journey as I go forward. Interestingly my doctor mentioned one of the first tests they do is a DNA test to see if our DNA has some basic incompatibility. Amazing isn't it - 15 years ago the human genome was still being mapped, yet now a DNA test is the first basic test done in this situation. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: chonny
Date Posted: 20 April 2012 at 6:58pm
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wow thats real interesting minty.
oh btw, im not overly relaxed tbh coz i keep getting horrible af pains, but still no af and i have a big tumtum, lol can i ask a personal question? what is a chemical pregnancy? oh and i kinda have to be go wit the flow coz we kinda decided that we nt gna keep trying for another year :( -------------
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Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 20 April 2012 at 7:21pm
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:( I hope either AF or a positive test come soon then!!
A chemical pregnancy is one where the only evidence of a pregnancy was elevated HCG levels, it's a very early miscarriage. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: chonny
Date Posted: 20 April 2012 at 7:24pm
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oh ok, i get ya now, thanks :) -------------
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Posted By: farmgal72
Date Posted: 21 April 2012 at 1:51pm
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Hiya Mintyfresh,
I hope you are ok...am thinking of you. I am guessing you already have heard of this....but a friend of mine couldn't seem to maintain a pregnancy and she went to see a natropath who dealt mainly with this type of problem and he put her on Progesterone cream which elevated her preg maintaining hormone and a few months later she managed a pregnancy. I think she took other natural remedies he subscribed also. I hope you don't mind me sharing that....but its been on my mind. All the best. ------------- 39 yrs TTC #1 since March 2012 |
Posted By: kelzie_rose
Date Posted: 21 April 2012 at 3:29pm
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Yea I had progesterone for my fourth pregnancy, and that's the one that stuck. ------------- Started TTC Apr 2008 With PCOS and a bicornuate uterus Our angel babies Jan 2010 <3 Oct 2010 <3 Apr 2011 <3 |
Posted By: farmgal72
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 8:11am
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Congratulations Kelzie_rose!
Your baby is beautiful! Did you do anything else to help your body along? Im so sorry you had heartache along the way. How wonderful you have a wee gem now! ------------- 39 yrs TTC #1 since March 2012 |
Posted By: redtulip
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 7:26pm
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Hi everyone,
Have just looked over your post from the past few days, had the worst flu over the weekend but feeling heaps better today. How you doing Minty? Been thinking of you. In answer to your question - I was 7 weeks when I suffered both losses. It's really good to hear you had a day off and spent some quality time with your DH... my DH and I went through strained patches too, ours were mainly due to me feeling very angry with the world, even had temper tanty's (so ashamed of myself when I think of it!)...DH was opposite, withdrew a bit and didn't want to talk - but we've been really working on communicating better and spending more time together - we're feeling like our relationship is alot stronger for it. Good on you for knitting something for yourself too! It's actually a craft I've always wanted to try. Chonny, I really hope the pains have stopped... any AF or BFP? Hope you get your answer soon. Yes i agree, Kelzie_rose your little bub is very cute and her name is really lovely - Sorry to hear you've had such a hard journey - you are a true inspiration. Farmgal72, just noticed yor age...I'm 39 at the end of July... Hope you have a short stay TTC and get your BFP soon. Have a nice night ladies ------------- 5 wee Angels - Always in our hearts - Aug '11, Feb '12, Aug '12, Feb '13, Aug '13
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Posted By: farmgal72
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 8:21am
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Redtulip!
How is everything? Do you have a testing date soon? Can I ask how long you have been trying....and how you are finding it at this age? Im so sorry about your heartache....how devastating. Wonderful you are trying again.
Do you have any wisdom for another 39er?! 
Hope you have a fab day! ------------- 39 yrs TTC #1 since March 2012 |
Posted By: chonny
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 9:46am
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hi ladies, nope still no AF, and cant afford to keep testing so go with the flow it is for me for now. still get the odd pang, and some morning still feel slightly nauseaus but nothing major, i guess if i start feeling movements then i know whats going on lol, altho its hard coz i still get ghost movements every now and then -------------
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Posted By: redtulip
Date Posted: 26 April 2012 at 6:27pm
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Hi Farmgal,
How are you doing? Any advice? Hmmm.... probably not to let anything you read on the net worry or freak you out! Probably not what you meant when you asked if I had advice, but because of my age I feel like most of what I read online can be pretty sad statistically! I find the threads on OB really helpful and relevant to me though. Other than that, have taken folic acid since TTC and DH and I have started really watching what we eat (don't eat much junk anyway), just trying to be healthy. We have been TTC since last May. Have had no prob getting UTD just with maintaining pregnancy. Haven't ever tested for ov before but cycles are always spot on 28 days so using an ov calculator has always worked for me. AF not due till 19 May so testing miles away. Might jump in TWW thread when it's time just for some support. How about you? Are you due to test soon? Thanks too for your info about progesterone, have also heard asprin can be beneficial but haven't really looked into it. Have a nice night... ------------- 5 wee Angels - Always in our hearts - Aug '11, Feb '12, Aug '12, Feb '13, Aug '13
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Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 29 April 2012 at 10:47am
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Redtulip have you discussed specialist treatment with your doctor? I'm only 25, so I have time on my side, but you've been trying for a year next month with two losses :( I know it is normally three losses req before a referral, but that seems harsh in your scenario.
I've heard that progesterone is something that doctors try to steer away from, as they don't know the long term effect on the body and the embryo. That said a friend who had ivf recently had progesterone pessaries. Aspirin is using as a blood thinner in women who have a blood clotting disorder which often results in miscarriage. So it isn't suitable for self prescribing. A specialist will test to see what your problem could be and will prescribe an appropriate remedy ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: chonny
Date Posted: 29 April 2012 at 10:24pm
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well AF turned up on Sat, at least i know where i stand now :D -------------
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Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 30 April 2012 at 8:25pm
Phew! I bet that was a relief ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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chonny wrote:Posted By: ruby2shoes77
Date Posted: 05 May 2012 at 5:09pm
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Hi I couldn't help but leave a post....I don't want to give out false hope but would love to share my story.
Me and my husband had been trying for well over a year when we decided to go to the doctor, in that time I had had three M/Cs she sent me for some bloods and nothing obvious showed up. Was told to come back after 6 months and if still not pregnant then she would refer me to a OB. Well after 6months and no baby we were refered to a very laid back OB who did a few more blood tests and charged like a wounded bull but didn't do much else. Yet again nothing obvious showed up and he took the "lets wait and see" approach. We finally decided to travel to Hamilton and we saw a wonderful DR at Fertility Associates, by that stage we had been trying for 3 years and had a total of 8 M/C
To cut a long story short he did some more blood tests some that are quite expensive ( Blood clotting) and had a ultra sound on the day and was diagnosed with mild PCOS and thick blood ( can't remember how to spell it ) I was put on baby aspirin and clomid. The reason why my Dr and OB ruled out PCOS was because I have a perfect regular cycle and most cases of PCOS the sufferer has to deal with long cycles or none at all for months on end. You see the thing is my body was producing eggs but not very good ones so when they were fertilised I would end up Miscarrying. Not only does Clomid help you O it also helps with egg quality etc. So after 7 cycles I am finally pregnant with a baby girl. My advice is always seek a second opinion do as much research as you can.......and feel comfortable with what you can handle. As much as the miscarriages took such an emotional toll and I have had a few people tell me that they would have given up..... Only you know how much you can handle. Anyway I wish you the very best on this hard TTC journey! who knows what tomorrow might bring! Ruby ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: redtulip
Date Posted: 07 May 2012 at 7:07pm
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Hi everyone,
Minty - unfortunately my GP of many years retired within the same month of my 1st mc. I have been to see a new GP since and I just find him really vague/unhelpful. My mw referred me to hospital after my 2nd mc. A couple of weeks after that I made an appt to see the dr and I asked him if, considering my age, 2 mc and the fact we'd been TTC a while, he could recommend a specialist and/or anything else. He told me he didn't know of anyone but said that I could just phone FA if I thought it was worthwhile. I came home and bawled my eyes out... just felt so deflated at such a lack of professional support. So, I've asked in the General Chat thread if anyone knows of a great GP in or around west auckland. Just feel like I need to see someone who can make some suggestions so I can see a way forward. Ruby - thanks so much for sharing your story with us, and what a wonderful outcome!! I'm in a place where I feel like I can handle just about anything as long as I'm getting some good professional advice. At the moment I feel as if DH and I might be setting ourselves up for another fall as we have no idea what might be causing this to happen. Did you self-refer to FA... any advice? Also, just wondering if you have an appointment made with a specialist yet Minty? Think last time you mentioned you and DH were having BT's done? Hope all is going well ------------- 5 wee Angels - Always in our hearts - Aug '11, Feb '12, Aug '12, Feb '13, Aug '13
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Posted By: chonny
Date Posted: 07 May 2012 at 8:00pm
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redtulip, i go to a gp in hilssborough. ive been seeing her since my mum was preggy with my now 25yo sister. shes fab. if you want the details let me know. -------------
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Posted By: kelzie_rose
Date Posted: 07 May 2012 at 8:59pm
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Thanks girls :)
I echo Ruby, get a second opinion, if you feel you should. Thanks for sharing your story Ruby :) I don't like to get peoples hopes up either but we'd given up all hope and were surprised that we got pregnant again and thank goodness for progesterone or else Evie wouldn't be here. ------------- Started TTC Apr 2008 With PCOS and a bicornuate uterus Our angel babies Jan 2010 <3 Oct 2010 <3 Apr 2011 <3 |
Posted By: redtulip
Date Posted: 08 May 2012 at 6:45pm
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Thanks heaps for sharing your advice and experiences ladies
Have had quite a few GP's recommended in my local area (thanks for your offer tho Chonny) so will make an appointment with one of them next week (would go sooner but I'm a florist and its Mothers Day Sunday - eeeek! A really busy few days ahead!!) So, looking forward to getting a few of our questions answered so we can plan where to from here. Feeling much better now I feel like I'm taking steps forward... last GP really knocked the old confidence. If I don't get a chance later in the week - wishing you that are mum's a fantastic day Sunday, suck it up - you deserve it! ------------- 5 wee Angels - Always in our hearts - Aug '11, Feb '12, Aug '12, Feb '13, Aug '13
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Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 06 June 2012 at 10:01pm
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Hi again ladies,
Sorry I've been avoiding the forum recently - there are just too many babies around me already. Red tulip I hope you have met a new GP by now - some ladies I know have recommended that you can self refer to FA and they will assess you to see if you qualify for public funding. We have had all of our bloods taken at last (I had to wait for a cycle after my miscarriage in April) I had 10 vials taken!! They called later and asked for more too. Most of the results are back, but we will not be referred to FA for an appointment until the karyotypes are back - apparently they are taking about six weeks at the moment, but thankfully my doctor also mentioned that FA have a short waiting list at the moment of around 2 - 3 weeks. I talked to my doctor about seeing a naturopath, she didn't seem very supportive but I feel super awkward about seeing a naturopath to see if my problems can be fixed naturally without telling my GP. Does anyone know if FA support natural therapies. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: mamasuka
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 1:57pm
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Posted By: Pepi-bebe
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 5:33pm
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Hi ladies,
I haven't posted on here before, but some of you know me from the other TTC and Miscarriage forums. Quick overview, I've just turned 35 and had 2 MC in quick succession (less than 5 months apart), I'm gay so we had my wife's brother donate for us. I got pregnant on the first try in Aug 11, then lost the baby at 11w, 5d- had no medical treatment but assessed the baby as having died at 8 weeks. Got pregnant again in Jan, then MC at 12w (bleeding started on 11w, 5d again!), and that was mid Mar 12. We found out that time through an ultrasound after some specks of blood. So I utilised accupuncture and homeopathy to MC naturally. The EPAU clinic of course said they would not investigate till I'd had 3 MC. Very stressful as my wife is from the Caribbean and it's no easy (or cheap) feat bringing her brother over from there, and stressful as he can only get a 3 mth visa (although we managed to get his last one extended to 5 mths), and his sperm wont freeze / thaw so we can't use the Fertility Assoc as we had planned to for IUI. We can't afford IVF with ICSI at $18k a go! So now for the long story!!!! With no obvious reason for the MC's (I'm super duper healthy, do at least 3 mths pre-conception care eg no alcohol, coffee etc, take a zillion pre-natal supplements, accupuncture etc. I also wasn't working so had no stress nor a busy lifestyle, especially with the 2nd pregnancy. Well had some great news last week - well great news wrapped in kind of an scary wrapping. I'd suspected a possible cause for my MC's after lots of google research (unreliable of course, but our instinct told us we may be onto the right thing). So I consulted a naturopath (Loula George at Motherwell in Mt Eden - who specialises in infertility and MC's), and had a stack of blood tests done. Fertility Associates had flagged before my first pregnancy that I had a potentially low TSH - thyroid. But as I got pregnant easily twice in a row, and then had a TSH test at 10 wks of my first pregnancy which showed up normal. So with the second pregnancy we didn't think about it again. I told my two different midwives about the possible hypothyroidism and alo spoke to my GP about it but none suggested any further monitoring or tests. After the second baby died at 8 weeks, and after the EPAU clinician and my GP said nothing could be looked at till my third MC we started considering the thyroid again. (We figured since the baby had died at 8 weeks, maybe the thyroid levels had returned to normal afterwards and that's why the test at 10wks was fine.) Turns out the brain is developing at 8 weeks, and the brain needs iodine to grow etc...Research indicated that thyroid issues were a top cause for MC at around 5-8 weeks. So we took all the info to Loula. Plus my temping charts etc. She sent me for 17 tests, lots of blood! And my new GP was happy to oblige even though he didn't know what half of them were for :-) When we got the results back my thyroid is low, but only marginally, but it was the thyroid antibodies that no-one had tested before that were the real problem! They should each be less than 60 and were 500 & 1300. As well as attacking the thyroid, (as I understood her simple way of explaining it to me), they can also reside in the uterus and attack the foetus. I have been reading up and people with thyroid antibodies are shown to be 4x more likely to MC. So we are doing a major detox then starting a treatment programme to try and reduce the antibodies. It's scary to have them, but it's a huge relief to have an idea of what has previously been inexplicable. At least this way we can try and treat and then monitor the situation. She's managed other women with this problem through successful pregnancies, so I'm so much more hopeful. I'm also a bit pissed off that when I flagged the potential thyroid problem to the medical people, that no one suggested checking my antibodies! A simple blood test showed their levels and even the GP was a bit horrified, even though the regular thyroid tests came back low - normal range. So the point of this LONG message is...do your research, trust your instinct, consider alternative medicine (especially when combined with proof through blood tests etc as you can monitor the effects of treatment), and specifically if you have any thyroid abnormalities then consider asking for a thyroid antibody test!!! Here's hoping I can eventually add a success story to these threads :-) We are now waiting till Oct to try and bring back our lovely donor, to give me time to detox and try and get my antibodies under control. PS - I'm hardly ever on the internet as I access ohbaby from my iPhone (and frustratingly can't login!), but if you write on here I'll endeavour to go online and answer any questions. But don't think me rude if you reply and I don't respond straight away! PPS - Mintyfresh - the people at Motherwell have a lot of their clients going through Fert Assoc etc at the same time as they are treating them, so it shouldn't be a problem. I HIGHLY recommend their services. -------------  Oct 11 & Mar 12
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Posted By: redtulip
Date Posted: 12 June 2012 at 4:10pm
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Edited as thought I'd deleted post. New post follows.. ------------- 5 wee Angels - Always in our hearts - Aug '11, Feb '12, Aug '12, Feb '13, Aug '13
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Posted By: redtulip
Date Posted: 12 June 2012 at 4:52pm
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Hi ladies,
Pepi-bebe - I'm sure that your BFP will come once your donor returns in October - Your news sounds so promising and I can understand the relief you must feel!! Big bonus to be seeing someone who has experience treating other ladies with the same problem - AWESOME! Minty - great to hear you've had all of your bloods taken - can't believe how much they took! Hopefully your results will give you all the answers you need to carry on toward your huggable bub! AFM - happy you posted, you actually kick started me into some action!! I had a GP recommended by a couple of friends. She is supposed to brilliant. I decided I'd make an appointment but have been finding all sorts of reasons to put it off - think it's just the thought of having to confront the issue? Not sure... Anyway, saw your post and gave myself a kick in the pants lol!! Realised that I'm the only one who can change the situation (DH always right beside me but think hes been a bit lost as to how to help) so phoned and made an appt with her today for Thursday. Just have to put my bad experiences with last GP behind me and be open to any help/advice this new one can offer - so here's hoping the ball will start rolling. Was actually over in the TWW thread till today when AF arrived, so here's to a new cycle and new start! Take care ladies and keep me up to date on how your getting on... know what you mean about being surrounded by babies - I have a swarm of them too lol! Sure our turns will come!!... and thanks Minty, you were just the push I needed ------------- 5 wee Angels - Always in our hearts - Aug '11, Feb '12, Aug '12, Feb '13, Aug '13
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Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 27 June 2012 at 11:30pm
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:) I am glad to hear that Redtulip! I hope that your visit with the new GP went well. Let me know how things progress!
Pepi-bebe, I remember you from the other thread, I am sorry to hear about your losses :( That is wonderful that you were able to prompt that research into your thyroid levels. I always find it quite intriguing how even the best GP doesn't seem to connect the dots. I've often mentioned my nanas thyroid problem, and yet I have never been even tested for thyroid issues until the other month, and my sister has spina bifida and yet I only just had my folate increased from the normal dose. I have my fingers and toes crossed that everything goes perfectly when your lovely donor comes back out to NZ! Thank you for the recommendation - I am in CHCH, so I would need to find someone else. Has anyone else changed their diet or lifestyle radically? I have managed to successfully quit smoking permanently (I used to start again after each loss) and I have been eliminating sugar from my diet, introducing more organic and whole foods, and also making my own cleaning and personal products as I run out. I am finding it really empowering - I am slowly getting more and more energy and I feel like all that needs to come into it now is the exercise - so this weekend I am going to rock out my seasons pass and go skiing :) ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: redtulip
Date Posted: 28 June 2012 at 6:20pm
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Hi everyone,
Minty - great to hear from you. New GP was really lovely, said she'd get back to me within 2 days with a referral and ???????!!!! Nothing. Phoned and emailed her to follow up but no go... So decided to phone FA today and have made an appt for DH and I for (Lucky lol!) Friday 13th July. So silly, should have done so myself ages ago but just thought it better to go thru GP... lesson learnt. Good on you for giving up smoking... I'm much the same as you, have always started again after loss, although very few. Seems such a shame when I start again seeing as I don't miss it when UTD... such a sh*tty crutch! Yaye for you making your own products too.. have you googled 'Wendyl Nissen' or 'Green Goddess'? She has some really wonderful receipes for household and personal products. NZer too so all ingredients you can source here. As far as food goes, I don't always buy organic - but we do eat a heap of veg, fruit, lean meat, pasta and rice. In saying that, we had a pretty awesome vege garden happening for a while and it was great... dead now tho'!...should get that going again. Can I ask why you've cut your sugar intake? I don't use alot but wonder what impact it has? Wishing you lots of fun times skiing!
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Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 16 July 2012 at 12:24am
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Red tulip - what a coincidence! We had our meeting with the specialist on Friday 13th too! I was quite surprised to learn that I was going through the hospital system, but there has been some positive progress.
How was your visit? I hope it was beneficial :) The specialist i saw suspects that it is a luteal phase defect and has prescribed progesterone pessaries (although now that I look at my cycles I have perfect 28 day cycles with 14 days between ov and AF) so I wish I had asked about clomid to increase follicle quality. If this doesn't work I will definitely ask. I was also prescribed thyroxin - under active thyroid! So that was kind of good - I was so certain it was an issue. I also did some research and I have started taking elevit/natures own (alternating between the two, as I have one box of the former and two of the latter) vitex (to normalize my estrogen production and hopefully increase progestegen availability in my body) and a vitamin b complex (low dose, but should reduce stress levels and low B6 is linked with early miscarriage) Wendyl Nissen is great, very clever lady. I cut my sugar intake because there is more and more evidence that refined sugars are toxins and that they result in reduced brain function and they have other negative impacts too like increasing tiredness, stored as fat, etc. I am already in a high weight range and I need to resolve that quickly. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: redtulip
Date Posted: 22 July 2012 at 10:25am
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Hi Minty,
Great to hear you had a good appointment - sounds positive that your specialist has pinpointed your LP and thyroid, what you've been prescribed could make all the difference Interesting to know about vitamin B too - didn't know it was linked to mc.
AFM - ended up cancelling our FA appointment as got BFP on the Saturday beforehand. Have 1st scan on the 3rd August but what has helped is that I'm having HCG BT's done weekly to check they're increasing so at least will have a heads-up of how things are going before scan. Last mc I had absolutely no signs things weren't right so was really devastating when I went in for scan as didn't have any idea i'd mc'd. So just hoping things are going to end differently this time - staying positive and just trying to get more rest. Part of me really wishes that we'd had our appt before getting UTD as maybe there's something I could/should be aware of or something I should be taking... but without time on our sides DH and I thought it best to keep trying anyway. So just trying not to overthink things and see where life will lead us this time. Really interesting about sugar being a toxin and reducing brain function etc... you're such an interesting lady to chat with! Would love to keep hearing how you're doing with your specialist - do you have a follow-up to see how the progesterone and thyroxin are going? Take care x ------------- 5 wee Angels - Always in our hearts - Aug '11, Feb '12, Aug '12, Feb '13, Aug '13
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Posted By: Mintyfresh
Date Posted: 23 July 2012 at 9:05pm
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Congratulations Redtulip!! I hope so much that everything goes well this time around xx
That is great that you are getting the regular HCGs - they show up pretty quickly if something isn't going right. It is great feeling to have a plan - I have been good at taking my piles of vitamins and medication, and my progesterone is in the fridge waiting on ovulation :) I am feeling great. Not sure on the whole follow up thing - I asked and became more confused! ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: redtulip
Date Posted: 23 October 2012 at 9:55am
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Hi ladies, Minty, I've been thinking of you lately and wondering how your baby-quest was going so thought i'd pop in here to find you... Congratulations!! So lovely to see Speckles ticker! Wishing you a really safe, easy journey until bubs arrives x Pepi-bebe, also saw that your donor is here! Wishing you and your wife heaps of luck and baby-dust for this cycle ------------- 5 wee Angels - Always in our hearts - Aug '11, Feb '12, Aug '12, Feb '13, Aug '13
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Posted By: epictraveller
Date Posted: 23 October 2012 at 10:27am
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Oh wow I missed this too Mintyfresh, congratulations!! ------------- #1 Angel babies April 2013, Nov 2013 IVF #1 Nov 2013-CP IVF #2 May 2014-BFN IVF #3 Feb 2015-BFN DS Jun 2015-BFN Oct 16 -Natural BFP! TTC #2 |
Posted By: Pepi-bebe
Date Posted: 23 October 2012 at 3:17pm
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Thanks redtulip. I really hope this is our time! I just had an additional treatment today, a lipoidol flush. It's used for unexplained MC / infertility and women with endo that find it hard to conceive as well. It apparently results in both a hugely increased chance of getting pregnant, better implantation rates, and also may help women with the antibody issues I have. So fingers crossed. Minty- I'm super excited to see your result too! As well as the anti-thyroid antibodies, I'm also on thyroxine now too as I'm currently hypo-thyroid (the antibodies can make me go from hypo to hyper). So it's nice to see a success story on that!! i hve also cut sugar out, and gluten. plus I've been taking a zillion natural supplements per day for my antibodies, thyroid, and to generally make sure I'm in tip top condition! I hope I can add a success story to this thread too!!! ------------- Oct 11 & Mar 12
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Posted By: redtulip
Date Posted: 23 October 2012 at 5:11pm
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Awesome Pepi-bebe.... only 2 days to go!... and you are Super prepared - I have my fingers and toes crossed for you ------------- 5 wee Angels - Always in our hearts - Aug '11, Feb '12, Aug '12, Feb '13, Aug '13
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Posted By: Pepi-bebe
Date Posted: 23 October 2012 at 10:31pm
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Yep changing my ticker now :-) ------------- Oct 11 & Mar 12
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