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Topic: Im wondering
Posted By: AandCsmum
Subject: Im wondering
Date Posted: 11 June 2011 at 10:25pm
....if people would be so "passionate" (sometimes extreme) in their ideals if it wasn't for baby forums, or forums in general.
I was musing this this arvo after doing some study.
Some of the practises that have labels now days weren't around 7 years ago, well they were around but weren't labelled. I cloth nappied, I extended b/f, I recycled, I feed finger food, I co slept, an numerous other ones, but it's just what we did.
Now that people have a multitude of forums they seem to be able push across their views and I'm wondering does this help by empowering them as their view is getting out there to a pretty captive and some what vulnerable audience at times.
I'm not knocking forums as they've been bloody helpful to me as adult "company" when my DH worked away, they've certainly been more than helpful in sorting out the food "issues" my boy has.
I still do all the same things that I did with my daughter 7 years ago but 2 years ago they all suddenly had labels.
Or is it that they are just better informed, like myself, so they set out to help inform people. People probably think of me as the food freak though.
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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 11 June 2011 at 10:47pm
My sister said the something similiar to me the other day... back when she had my nephew (nearly 10)things had labels, they were just different. BF, FF or mix (extended BF fell under BF). Home made, Jar food or "lazy mum" who just gave finger food. No ERF then, just "does your car have anchor points?". Cloth or Disposable (well that hasnt changed lol).
I am passionate about what I believe in, and those that "know" me will know that but I think sometimes people get all too caught up in how they "should" parent and that others "should" parent that way too and forget that we are just parents, doing the best we can with the knowledge we have and at the end of the day, when the start school none of this is going to be important.
So yup, i think forums have given "us" a platform to create these labels and catergorise our parenting. I think thats kind of sad really.
The only label I care about is "doing the best I can".
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 11 June 2011 at 10:54pm
Kinda goes away from the "Kiwi She'll be right" attitude...which in some cases is good but in other cases makes life difficult.
eta: I wonder if a lot of it has been brought about by Americanisms
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Posted By: choco69
Date Posted: 11 June 2011 at 10:56pm
i agree there is certainly alot more labels, and if you want to do something that is not the 'right' way by some people you get jumped on for it
not saying that people shouldn't have opinions, they can be good things, think sometimes with forums cos it's anonymous that people can be more forceful than they might be if they were talking to a stranger in any face to face situation
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 11 June 2011 at 11:05pm
I just do what feels right to me as a parent and couldn't give a hoot what someone else thought! I have a pretty open mind and while I LOVE the way we do things with Lily, it's not for everyone and I accept that. How someone else parents their child is their business. I would probably only pipe up if I felt they weren't meeting the child's life necessities.
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Posted By: mamanee
Date Posted: 11 June 2011 at 11:12pm
I'll be honest, I couldn't care less whether someone ERF, BLW, Breastfeeds, formula feeds, does this or that, uses only organic fabrics, babywears, uses cloth nappies, or disposables or feeds their child crackers hanging upside down while dancing the macarena because it's something they are passionate about.
I only care that you don't bash your child, they are fed, clothed, and LOVED, which I'm sure all of us do.
I formula fed one child, breastfed the other one until 6 months, SHOCK HORROR and if someone tried to say that I gave up too early or I should have tried harder then go ahead, I don't have an regrets, guilt or insecurities about MY choices.
I could say heaps more, but it would be horribly offensive.
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Posted By: nathansmummy
Date Posted: 11 June 2011 at 11:13pm
I think we live in a culture where we often (as mums) feel guilty about SOMETHING. Whatever choices we make, we feel like maybe somehow we're not providing the best for our child and could do more or be more or something.
The way I see it is this: everyone is different and what works for them won't work for another. I recently spoke with a woman whose mother and sister criticized her for not enjoying being a SAHM and expected her to stay at home with her kids till they were 15yo!!! She had PND not just because of that but I'm sure it contributed to her guilt for not "enjoying" motherhood the same way they did.
I have strong opinions about things, and after being a nanny for a long time it's wonderful to be able to bring up my son the way I want to according to the values I have. But in my opinion, a good mother is a mother that does her best - whatever her choice for her children it's because she has their best interest at heart. Whatever conclusion she might reach - that's really what matters.
Motherhood seems to be such an important role to us that I think it is easy to be passionate about what we believe to be best. We do need to try and support one another more, judge one another less and realise that the majority of us are doing our best given our circumstances.
That is all slightly off-topic but my 2c.
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 11 June 2011 at 11:28pm
Oh just remembered something else I was thinking this arvo. And was probably more the point I was thinking about - I know people that aren't on baby forums or even the computer so I must ask them if they are aware of the "new" labellings/parenting devices?
I wonder if those people that don't have access or are friends with any one are aware of things such as the new MCN's vs disposables. I certainly only knew about new cloth nappies via this forum & someone talking about the Great nappy hunt.
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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 6:35am
I think there have always been fashions in parenting, the internet's just another platform for sharing them. I know a lady at work who's in my mother's generation said that when she had her daughter, the whole 'silent' birth was all the rage. And the believers of the fashion at the time had their reasons - bringing the baby into the world in a calm, stressless way for the baby, etc... none of which resonates with me, but isn't that the way of it?
In saying that, these forums definitely shape my choices. I wouldn't have heard of some of the baby-carriers out there if it wasn't for threads on here, I would have thought they were limited to the front pack you can buy at the 'general' baby stores. And I love my Manduca!
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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 7:26am
Bit off topic but CONGRATS Hopes!!!!!!! Not sure how I missed this very exciting news!!!!!!! (and agreed about the manduca )
That has made my morning seeing your ticker
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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 7:29am
Hehe, thanks
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 8:11am
See i love the sharing of ideas, but too often it becomes less sharing and more "i can't believe you don't do things I do - therefore you are a bad mother" and for many people, it doesn't take much for them to feel like that. On the other hand, some people are so unbelieveably sensitive. you only have to post something positive about breastfeeding and you get three of four people whinging about how they couldn't and we shouldn't rub it in their faces.
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Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 8:48am
I definitely think the forums shape some people's decisions, that can be good and bad though. I've seen people buy or do things they otherwise wouldn't because of the 'everyone else is doing it' type attitude.
One thing I remember I was surprised about coming onto this and another forum, was how disposable parenting is today - people doing 5+ HPT's, when they've already had a positive (or testing too early), so many more mothers use disposables than cloth nappies (I was truly shocked at that when I first came on here, as to me they've always been a 'special occasion' nappy lol), but was happy to learn of MCN's as they are so much better than the old flats I used for a while with #1.
Most of the labels I've learnt have been from here, and sometimes when I read something I think about how opinionated people are about other people's choices and I feel like defending even though I really don't need to as I don't know these people IRL (esp the BF v FF debate as I encourage BF but FF both my children) but then I guess that's just forums for you.
Can't speak for others, but I know I was more upfront on here than IRL for a while.
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 9:22am
From my POV there seem to be a lot of 'rules' when it comes to parenting there are dozens of sources of 'advice' and each is passionate about their way.
It seems to me unless you follow a particular way perfectly you're doing it wrong.
Does my head in, I simply go with what works for me my daughter and the rest of our family.
Recently there was a story in Treasures magazine comparing Attachment Parenting to Routine - well I do a bit of both cause that's what works and how I feel comfortable raising our daughter.
One thing I have learnt from forums is never say never when it comes to parenting, you don't know what you will do until its your turn.
Babies have their own ideas about what works.
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 9:28am
I never knew half the labels till I came here & some seam to make some very competitive & think there are no other ways or none as good.
I never changed my parenting from my 10yr old to my 5yrs old...it worked for DS1, 2 & 3 so no reason to change.
There are a couple of things I am totally for & don't get when other parents chose not to do them & then justify whey they don't. I don't care who used what kind of nappy or how & what they feed as at the end of the day baby is feed & changed. We never had the cute cloth nappies when I had DS1 but if I had another today I would still do the same I did for him & used disposables...that's my choice & preference.
I never knew about chemical pregnancy till I came here, but I am not surprised due to early testing. I never tested till I was late & never knew I was pg till 6+ weeks so I think the earlier you test the harder it is & if AF arrives on time to me it is normal..& would rather not know prior.
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 9:29am
What I seem to find funny about forums is how passionate some people get over a particular topic or choice or whatever which is fine for them but that no one really cares how you raised your baby once they get to kindy age. I love it once they get to kindy age, no one gives a sh*t if you BF or FF or what car seat you use so long as they are in one of some description or whether you jar fed or did BLW or cloth nappies vs sposies. I think forums can put unnessary pressure on people who just want to be good parents but who are bombarded with opinions galore.
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 9:37am
kebakat wrote:
What I seem to find funny about forums is how passionate some people get over a particular topic or choice or whatever which is fine for them but that no one really cares how you raised your baby once they get to kindy age. I love it once they get to kindy age, no one gives a sh*t if you BF or FF or what car seat you use so long as they are in one of some description or whether you jar fed or did BLW or cloth nappies vs sposies. I think forums can put unnessary pressure on people who just want to be good parents but who are bombarded with opinions galore. |
Exactly what I was going to say!!!
I sometimes wish I never joined a forum, for this reason, but I know Im a damn good mum, I do what works for my family and I have two healthy happy kids! You cant tell which of my kids was BF and which wasnt etc
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 10:00am
I like the forums as a balance to what Plunket says, if Plunket was my only source of parenting advice I would feel like a really bad Mother as I don't do exactly what they say.
With the forums and talking to other Mums I know there is an alternative and its ok for me to do things differently.
7 1/2 months into the job I'm still finding my way with being a Mum as my daughter is learning to be a person I'm learning to be a Mum.
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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 10:05am
Funnily enough, people pushing their parenting styles on forums like this (no matter how strongly they feel about them) don't tend to make me feel bad... if I think what they're doing is better than me, I'll change what I'm doing. If I think what I'm doing is better, I'm happy to continue doing things my way.
I don't like it when people rubbish other people's opinions, though. I think that's just unnecessary.
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 10:15am
I'm the same hopes. I'll do things my way and don't really care if others thing their way is better or whatever. But I know not everyone is like that
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 11:06am
I have to admit I find it hard to comprehend why people feel the need to label their parenting, with all these terms that most often describe things that parents have been doing for years and years without fancy names. 14 years ago I feed my daughter finger foods, carried her everywhere, she slept in my bed, I BF her, used old fashioned cloth naps and so on... I don't really get how these are considered a little alternative now when really these things have been done for many many years without the labels. I'm not passionate enough about any of these things to bother pushing my POV cos who cares what type of naps everyone uses or whether they puree feed or whatever...
I think these forums are a great way to share information though, and I have learnt about lots of products I NEED and I have meet some great, like minded people..
Emz - I don't think people doing 5 or more HPTs is anything to do with disposable parenting... more about desperately wanting to be a parent... I did millions with my 3rd cos after 18months TTC and many chemical pregnancies it is REALLY hard to believe it is actually happening... I did one hpt with my first, cos I had no idea of the pain of TTC or what could go wrong.
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Posted By: TheBabe
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 11:57am
I had a much simpler time with #1 simply coz I didn't have all the 'options' I find on here (even though I was on here then I just didn't take as much notice lol). I didn't feel any additional pressure to do anything other than what I wanted.
The whole 'crunchy' thing amuses me - why advertise what you're doing ESPECIALLY when it can be controversial?? Why on earth would you put yourself out there as 'different'?? I mean yeah k its a typically American thing to do, most mums from the States I've run into on the net have an overwhelming urge to force their opinions down my throat but seriously all it does is raise the question - what are they so insecure about?? I know I don't always get it right but I know where I'm aiming for and I'm doing my best. No need to advertise it to everyone. What is it about the combination of anonymity and motherhood that gives the green light to being so obsessive and down-right rude?
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 12:07pm
Babelicious wrote:
I had a much simpler time with #1 simply coz I didn't have all the 'options' I find on here (even though I was on here then I just didn't take as much notice lol). I didn't feel any additional pressure to do anything other than what I wanted.
The whole 'crunchy' thing amuses me - why advertise what you're doing ESPECIALLY when it can be controversial?? Why on earth would you put yourself out there as 'different'?? I mean yeah k its a typically American thing to do, most mums from the States I've run into on the net have an overwhelming urge to force their opinions down my throat but seriously all it does is raise the question - what are they so insecure about?? I know I don't always get it right but I know where I'm aiming for and I'm doing my best. No need to advertise it to everyone. What is it about the combination of anonymity and motherhood that gives the green light to being so obsessive and down-right rude? |
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Posted By: TheBabe
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 12:19pm
Huge congrats on the new ticker BTW Sheena very exciting!!
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 12:32pm
Thanks hun
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 1:39pm
As a first time Mum sometimes I do care what people think of how I parent as I need the reassurance that I'm doing ok.
Especially atm with DH away and having to manage on my own half the time I've no idea what I'm doing I find that unsettling.
Lack of sleep tends to make me more sensitive to what other think as well. It shouldn't matter sometimes it does. Maintaining a thick skin and not caring is tiring after awhile you begin to wish people would simply be nice and supportive.
Why would anyone want to follow what the yanks do?
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 1:46pm
I can be a bit sensitive too, esp when sleep deprived C&J! Your wee girl so gorgeous and growing up so quickly - I think your doing an AWESOME job, esp seeing you must be missing DH like mad!
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Posted By: SpecialK
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 1:52pm
Babe- I heard on the radio this morning that people who force their opinions on others and tell them what they should be doing are externalising their own internal insecurities or issues. Does kinda make sense.
As for me, I have pretty strong opinions about how I want to parent OUR kids, but I really don't care what anyone else does as long as their kids are safe, fed, clothed and loved.
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Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 2:48pm
I never knew a thing about all the labels etc that are around prior to coming on here. I knew I was going to use cloth nappies (had never heard the term MCN) and was going to BF as long as I could (provided I was able to) and managed to go 12 months. I did these things as that's the way I wanted to do it, not because I felt I had to because it was the current passing phase. Although I do what is best for me, my DF and my child, I do often feel insecure and think mayne I'm not as good as other Mums who are so passionate about certain parenting issues, simply because they vocalise what they think is right more strongly than I do, and for people like me who are insecure (due to PND in my case), it is hard to to question yourself. My child is fed, clothed, loved and has way more than I ever did as a kid (altho I had all the neccessities and NEVER felt deprived in anyway as I had a family who loved me) and I turned out OK. In the end, your child isn't going to care what kind of nappies s/he wears (just an example) so people who get on their high horse about these issues are just doing it to make themselves feel good I think, but manage to make others feel bad in the process. So long as your child is happy, safe and healthy, I don't care how you raise them, and I don't think your child will hate you for it if you do it the 'wrong' way. Just do what works for you
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Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 3:26pm
I think that forums and the internet are a great source of information. I think we all do the best with the information we have at the time. No doubt when my kids start having babies it will all have changed again and there will be things I go "Wha....?" at. I have been grateful to learn about things like rear facing carseats, baby led weaning and the different sorts of baby carriers, different sorts of cloth nappies - I don't know if I would have been so well informed if not for forums/internet. (And of course we would have gotten by, but all these things have made life a little easier for me - it's like saying we would get by without a washing machine, course we would! But washing clothes is much easier with one). And because these things have made life a little easier for me - if someone asks or seems like they want to know, I am more than happy to tell them about it. I hope I don't push my views onto others though or come across as extreme.
The best parenting tool you can have (IMO) is not how to ERF, BLW, BF, EBF, BW (LOL ) but rather how to have confidence in yourself as a parent. That way you get to recognise what will work for you, ignore any extreme views you don't agree with and be happy that you are doing a damn good job. I like that I have seen a few people in here say that already
If you are constantly insecure in regards to your parenting, not confident about what you are doing, second guessing yourself - it's then that forums and the internet, along with extreme views can become dangerous places. But I guess that's true in all walks of life - not just parenting.
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 4:13pm
I think a lot has to do with how life has changed, we fit parenting in around our life style, back in the day when plunket was the big thing it was fitting your life around parenting. We have a lot more choices & a lot more materialistic wants/needs available too.
If you want to measure your parenting skills on something then do it on how happy you & your child are. What works for some don't work for others & that's because we are all different.
Sleep deprivation goes with having a baby & never leaves. If you have babies back to back you will know what it is like to be up several times a night to different kids, you learn to cope on stuff all sleep, it just part of being a parent.
Funny I look back to when I had my first & I never had the competitiveness I see now, my friends & I sat around having a cuppa & playing with our kids, never cared who did what with feeding, nappies, car seats etc so its kind of funny seeing it now. Also I never knew about BLW but that was what I called finger food.
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Posted By: EmDee
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 4:25pm
Personally I'm glad of the forums. I've learnt alot and gotten lots of support on various topics (sometimes without even posting - simply reading about someone in a similar position or with a similar POV has helped).
But then I look at forums as a source of information and if someone is talking about something I haven't heard about and I find it interesting, I will research it more. And if someone is forcing their opinion that their way is the only way, I just tend to gloss over their post! That's what I love about the internet and forums I can choose what I want to listen/read about.
In terms of real life, I don't think I've really felt judged about how I am raising my kids. Perhaps as a first time Mum I may have perceived that I was being judged, but as I get older (wiser???), I can see that it was simply my insecurity and perception.
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 4:28pm
Delli....BW???? Bed wetting? Ohhh Baby wearing. See it's the terms that confuse me.
Thanks Freckle, you've said what I was trying to say but in a better way LOL
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 7:31pm
I wouldn't know half of what I know about parenting and babies if it weren't for OH Baby, then I wasn't interested in anything to do with babies before I found OB.
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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 7:37pm
TheBabe wrote:
IThe whole 'crunchy' thing amuses me - why advertise what you're doing ESPECIALLY when it can be controversial?? Why on earth would you put yourself out there as 'different'?? |
Now... I'm not the crunchy type myself, but I kind of like being a bit different to the norm. Like, I like people noticing that Jacob's in cloth... now I'm trying to analyse why, and I can't work it out! But it doesn't make me feel bad to be seen as a bit different to the norm, I like to stand out a little I'm not extreme in any way, but if I'm like that, I guess that those who are a little more extreme than me feel the same way.
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Posted By: TheBabe
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 8:44pm
SpecialK wrote:
] Babe- I heard on the radio this morning that people who force their opinions on others and tell them what they should be doing are externalising their own internal insecurities or issues. Does kinda make sense.
As for me, I have pretty strong opinions about how I want to parent OUR kids, but I really don't care what anyone else does as long as their kids are safe, fed, clothed and loved. |
So exactly how I feel!! I mean I have a control freak streak which makes me spew advice LMAO but in the end so long as your child doesn't suffer I couldn't care less how someone else parents. Actually no thats not true it really annoys me when people complain about stuff but don't change what they're doing - 'my kid won't stop throwing tantrums when they don't get their own way and its sooooo hard on me and the family and I know its not good for him/her and I know I need to do something... BUT... I just can't find the balls to stand up to this mini-dictator who has more power over me than I do over myself... whinge whinge' Lol sorry little rant over my pet-hate!!
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Tyler 20-02-2010
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Posted By: TheBabe
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 8:47pm
Hopes wrote:
TheBabe wrote:
IThe whole 'crunchy' thing amuses me - why advertise what you're doing ESPECIALLY when it can be controversial?? Why on earth would you put yourself out there as 'different'?? |
Now... I'm not the crunchy type myself, but I kind of like being a bit different to the norm. Like, I like people noticing that Jacob's in cloth... now I'm trying to analyse why, and I can't work it out! But it doesn't make me feel bad to be seen as a bit different to the norm, I like to stand out a little I'm not extreme in any way, but if I'm like that, I guess that those who are a little more extreme than me feel the same way. |
I confess I like people noticing I cloth nappy and stuff too haha shameful but true!! Maybe we need a group of non-extreme mamas who just like to stand out coz we're super-cool
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Jake 01-07-2007
Tyler 20-02-2010
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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 12 June 2011 at 11:36pm
TheBabe wrote:
Maybe we need a group of non-extreme mamas who just like to stand out coz we're super-cool  |
What, you mean, a clique
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Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 10:51am
Hopes wrote:
TheBabe wrote:
IThe whole 'crunchy' thing amuses me - why advertise what you're doing ESPECIALLY when it can be controversial?? Why on earth would you put yourself out there as 'different'?? |
Now... I'm not the crunchy type myself, but I kind of like being a bit different to the norm. Like, I like people noticing that Jacob's in cloth... now I'm trying to analyse why, and I can't work it out! But it doesn't make me feel bad to be seen as a bit different to the norm, I like to stand out a little I'm not extreme in any way, but if I'm like that, I guess that those who are a little more extreme than me feel the same way. |
I think this is a good example of why some people promote their differences (and note the 'promote' not force-down-others-throats style!). It's a form of modelling and is a way better way of introducing new and out-of-mainstream concepts to others as they get to see it normalised without feeling any pressure to jump on board, or guilt for not doing so.
Classic normative persuasion (look at me getting all geeky on it!)
But seriously, I wouldn't be half the feminist/environmentalist I am if it weren't for the modelling by quite a few mamas on here (and other parenting boards). It's not like it changed who I am, just introduced me to ways of doing things (labels or no labels).
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Posted By: escadachic
Date Posted: 13 June 2011 at 11:38am
Haven't quite caught up on all the posts.
But what I wanted to say is, sometimes the line between passion and insulting/insensitivity is quite a thin line.
What I mean by this is, some people who are passionate about certain things, can be really insensitive to other members and maybe they don't realize it or maybe they just don't care who they offend. As they have an attitude that it's my way or the highway and don't seem to be the slightest bit open to differing opinions. This doesn't happen much these days on here, but yes it does happen.
I must say, all these new 'trends' has made me more anxious with my 2nd child. That people might judge me due to my differing choices compared to theirs. But at the end of the day, I do what works best for us. Though I was a lot more relaxed with my 1st child. I think the 6 yr age gap didn't help though, as things weren't so fresh in my mind, from the first time around.
I personally, am open to others opinions and different ideas. So the knowledge of some new things is a good thing.
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 10:50am
I find this whole "labelling" amusing...part of me thinks maybe the good ol' keyboard warrior feels she needs to "qualify" herself to have an opinion on stuff and part of me thinks that the "recognition" of being a bit different" is something that floats their boats.
To me all those wee acronymns are just "normal"...except back in the dark ages when mine we little they didn't have "labels" (BF MCN etc) it's just what you did - and to be truthful I only "wore" my baby *shock horror in a front pack shoot me now!* and fed her finger food and BF her for 2 years etc out of sheer laziness, not because of any "concious" parenting decision..in fact when I got "labeled" an "attachment parent" I felt kinda "dirty". I was just doing what worked for ME...
I don't think I know any parent, in real life or on the forums who dosen't put some degree of thought into the way they parent their children and just cos you choose to be all "alternatve" and in my face about it dosen't mean that 1. you are a better parent that everyone else who chooses a different path or 2. YOur children are more loved or better off than mine.
Now that I have a child at school, there is no way in hell I can tell WHO was AP'd, ERF'ed, BF'd etc etc and to be honest, no one actually CARES.
The most important thing in my book is that I am raising my children to be thoughtful kind human beings, and that is something that "lasts" through the whole parenting expereince not just the early years.
Just an endnote here...those of you that "label" yourselves with your wee blinkes and signatures..I kind of think of that as passive agressive "bullying"....
------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P
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Posted By: escadachic
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 12:07pm
Yeah, the labelling didn't exist when I had my 1st DD. Only option I had, that seems to lack in many prams now, is to have a pram with a reversible handle or not. And slings and all the other babywearing options didn't exist, just a really simple frontpack, which was only suitable for a few months.
And I have to laugh at how many people strongly hate Elite frontpacks. To me, an Elite was comfy as and a luxury compared to the frontpacks back when older DD was a baby. Tbh, I didn't know, until I came on this website, there were other options. I only knew there were the usual frontpacks, like the Elite, but different brands at K-mart and Farmers and such and that the other brands were Comfy and Baby Bjorn and my other option was a sling. Found out, by coming on here, there's Manduca's, Ergo's, Mei Tai's, and some others I can't spell. And at the end of the day, I didn't care about the other options and if I ever have another baby, I'm happy with my cheap Elite.
Just like, I didn't know there was such things as, ERF and EBF. I just thought I was BFing for as long as I could manage, had no idea there was a name for it.
I don't label myself anything, except a SAHM. And I have to agree with what someone else said, about school. No-one's cares how your children were brought up and with what parenting styles, once you get to Kindy or School. They only care that you're good to your children and that they are happy.
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 12:25pm
escadachic wrote:
Yeah, the labelling didn't exist when I had my 1st DD. Only option I had, that seems to lack in many prams now, is to have a pram with a reversible handle or not. And slings and all the other babywearing options didn't exist, just a really simple frontpack, which was only suitable for a few months.
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I use to carry my DD1, and she's 14 now... infact I NEVER used my pram with her, and carried her until 2ish... I can't for the life of me remember what kinda carrier I had but it definitely wasn't an elite - I think it was more like a Mei Tai. I also had a sling all the way back then ... I totally think it's worth buying a good carrier now that I tried them though!
------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D
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Posted By: escadachic
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 1:26pm
It was exactly like this my first carrier: http://www.trademe.co.nz/baby-gear/backpacks-carriers/frontpacks/other/auction-385357931.htm - old style carrier
And it was way easier to use actually!
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Posted By: escadachic
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 1:28pm
If I had the money, the only other I'd buy would be a Baby Bjorn and in Pink
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 6:59pm
I had a front pack as well. It was approved by Australian Physio's for your back and it was great. My boys survived being in that when we went out.
------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 8:20pm
Mum & I made a baby carrier...it killed my back lol so I bought the moby for #2
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Posted By: MrsJMcD
Date Posted: 20 June 2011 at 8:22pm
caliandjack wrote:
As a first time Mum sometimes I do care what people think of how I parent as I need the reassurance that I'm doing ok.
Especially atm with DH away and having to manage on my own half the time I've no idea what I'm doing I find that unsettling.
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I really identify with this. DH is self employed and travels overseas a lot for work, starting when DS was 4 weeks old. i am inclined to doubt myself at the best of times, but the pressure of being a new mum and having a 10 year old step son to also look after while DH was away has had me in pieces on more than one ocassion. I've found these forums especially helpful during some of those times, totally intimidating at others....the more strung out I was the more intimidated I was, mostly because of the pressure I put myself under. Not only was there more to do without DH around, but he wasn't there to be the voice of reason and tell me DS was fine, I was fine, and I was doing a great job.
In terms of labels, I can remember having a conversation with my dad when DS was very little and I said oh you guys didn't know about swaddling when we were kids, did you? To which he replied that I was wrapped tight all the time when I was a baby, they just didn't call it swaddling or need a fancy piece of fabric to do it!
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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 21 June 2011 at 8:25am
MrsJMcD wrote:
In terms of labels, I can remember having a conversation with my dad when DS was very little and I said oh you guys didn't know about swaddling when we were kids, did you? To which he replied that I was wrapped tight all the time when I was a baby, they just didn't call it swaddling or need a fancy piece of fabric to do it! |
Haha, babies have been swaddled since the begining of time - the Bible mentions that the shepherds were told they would find Jesus swaddled lying in a manger; even if you just see the Bible as an ancient storybook that suggests they were doing it then
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Posted By: MrsJMcD
Date Posted: 21 June 2011 at 10:32am
Hopes wrote:
Haha, babies have been swaddled since the begining of time - the Bible mentions that the shepherds were told they would find Jesus swaddled lying in a manger; even if you just see the Bible as an ancient storybook that suggests they were doing it then  |
Yup it's amazing what you forget when you're lacking in sleep with a new baby...I think back now and realise I said some really dumb things when DS was first around!
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 21 June 2011 at 10:43am
Swaddling has been around forever thankfully swaddling bands and strapping babies to a board are no longer in vogue.
If it weren't for OB I wouldn't know about ERF and I'm glad I do as chances are I would have FF DD at 1 year if I didn't know any better.
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