two different car crashes
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Topic: two different car crashes
Posted By: NovemberMum
Subject: two different car crashes
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 11:22am
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two very different outcomes
scenerio one car driving along a highway slamming into a deer...very little damage to the car. scenario two car hits and object rolls and hits a barrier.....major damage to the car. one car accident all occupants walked away from the crash the other one of the occupants died. now read about them here http://www.ksl.com/?sid=14845286 http://carseatnanny.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-i-do-what-i-do.html |
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Posted By: rachelsea
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 11:57am
My gosh, I can't believe the lady in the first article had an unrestrained 2yr old sitting in the front seat  surely she will get in trouble for that!
YAY for the other lady being so up with the play on car seat saftey though  ------------- DD 4yrs DS 2yrs http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 12:03pm
yes I hope the lady of the unrestrained child is charged with manslaughter!!! |
rachelsea wrote:Posted By: Plushie
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 12:18pm
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man i thought you had been in two crashes today! Pleased thats not the case.
Will foward this to my coffee group friend who has her 5m old ff because he looks cooler and won't shut up about me turning DS around so he can be cool too. |
Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 12:26pm
also show her this one http://www.joelsjourney.org/ basically an 18 month old boy weighting approx 14kgs was forward facing carseat they were in alow impact crash (doing less than 60km/hr) he ended up breaking his neck..fortunately he did survived now if that can happen to a "big" 18 month old child imagine what would happen to a small 5 month old baby. |
Posted By: rachelsea
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 12:33pm
She has her 5 month old forward facing to look cool?!  ------------- DD 4yrs DS 2yrs http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 1:12pm
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Shocking aye? I know of someone who was FFing her 4mo as he was 8kgs, she threw a big hissy on FB about it and has blocked me now... All because I shared ERFing links. All I can think is her poor kid, if something happened.. ------------- 
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Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 1:29pm
that is quite sad..all you can do is give people the information and if they chose to ignore well lets hope they are never in an accident. |
Posted By: Chickoin
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 1:37pm
A LOT of parents turn their babies at 6 months here. It freaks me right out. At my first visit to the child health nurse (like plunket) Jody was just under 6 months and I was told to turn her to ff already.  -------------   
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Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 1:46pm
| when I had my son's 15 month old visit..I had my 3 year old with me...and in passing she asked if she was in booster..I said that she was still rearfacing she seemed surprised(which of course did not surprise me) |
Posted By: Plushie
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 1:53pm
| Not only does she ff her 5 month old she just will not shut up about me ff'ing my 2 month old. She can make her own parenting decisions but i wish she'd stay the hell out of mine. |
Posted By: chickadeedoo
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 2:14pm
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my sister was in a crash up near Auckland a week or so ago and had her 4 year old in a carseat ff in the FRONT SEAT! The car is apparently a write off...luckily her boy is ok apart from sore neck but she still want change what she does with her boy in regards to seating in the car. Her 10 yr old was out of a carseat at maybe 4 because she was over the weight for a carseat.
My DD is 6 and she is only 19kgs and is still in a full booster in the back seat and until she weighs alot more and is ALOT taller then she will be in that carseat for a long time to come. ------------- 
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Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 2:59pm
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I've now got the only RF baby in my coffee group, and I'm yet to see another RF toddler in the daycare carpark.
I was asked how her carseat was going at the 9mo plunket check and reminded that they recommend RF until at least one. I replied that she's definitely still RF and will be for some years yet. She asked me why I'd decided that, and I mentioned some of the stats and she replied "man, I wish all my mums took the time to do some research!" and congratulated me on being so sensible. Apparently an awful lot of babies are FF by the 9 month check 
Bowie, that lady needs a boot up the behind!! Just tell her that you prefer your baby alive, thanks. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: _Deb_
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 3:14pm
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I can't believe how downright stupid some people can be.
I remember reading that someone on here forward faced their baby at 3 months.  ------------- 
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Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 3:23pm
| woah 3 months that is insane !!!!! I can kind of get 1 year cause that is what plunket recommend but come on 3months !!! poor baby :( |
Posted By: shadowfeet
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 4:46pm
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I'm so annoyed, I bought an extended RF carseat for DD and it seems like she's outgrowing it at a rapid pace. Need to find the manual again. She's got a long back but 16 months and 10.7kg is really dumb for a carseat that can RF to 16kg. ------------- 
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Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 5:01pm
most children will outgrow a rearfacing carseat in height before they do weight..my daughter had 1 inch of hard shell left in the cosco yet still had about 2kgs before she got to the weight limit. the idea behind carseats with high rearfacing weightlimits is that in theory parents will keep their child rearfacing for as long as possible. so it is important to not only look at weight but also height. |
Posted By: rachelsea
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 5:23pm
Wow Bowie that's just insane! Yeah good idea turning a 2month old FFing 
My DD is also the only one in my coffee group (antenatal group that is) who is still RFing. The others all got switched around as soon as they turned 1 (I don't think anyone did it earlier at least). Most of the bubs in my OB coffee group are still RFing though 
Also when DD turned 1 Plunket said "She should be forward facing now". They don't seem to know a lot about carseat safety... (sorry for the generalisation, I'm sure *some* of them do!) ------------- DD 4yrs DS 2yrs http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 6:34pm
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Ok, I can't NOT say anything anymore. What on earth is it with this SCAREMONGERING??? There are 1000 sad movies on you tube about ANY kind of scenario involving children, take your pick.
People make their decisions based on what they think is best for THEM, like you ERFer's (and I feel like a complete twat writing that) and just because they choose to do something different to you does NOT make them a bad parent? Have you though about side impact crashes? Crashes that happen when you roll? A truck ploughing you? RF or not, everyone is going to get hurt and NOONE WANTS their child to get hurt and choosing NOT to RF your child does not mean you WANT to hurt your shild. So why dont you ERFers get "all up in my grill" about why I FF MY daughter at almost 8 months?? I DARE you. And *OMG* I travel ALL the time too, so OMG the RISK I took. See the thing is, you would see my child FF in the car and think OMG call CYFS, but what you wouldn't see is the child that sceamed constantly when she wasn't throwing up with chronic car sickness. And when you travel hundreds of KMS every other week, car sickness SUCKS. So take your judgy judgerson attitudes about FF and think about the situation that may have lead to "early" FF... To me, these kind of threads would be like me putting up links to all the hundreds and hundreds of research and articles and stuff about how bad formula is and what it does to kids (and imagine the outcry if I did), or links to non vaccianting research and articles,but I WONT cos its not my business what choices people make regarding their kids. Personally I think a bigger thign to get your knickers in a twist about with kids in cars is people who drink and drive with their kids or smoke in their cars with kids. |
Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 6:46pm
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oh for goodness sakes it is not about scaremongering, the links I posted were simply about having children properly restrained and to show that despite car being written off because all 3 children were correctly restrained (albeit one of the children breaking their legs) all occupants of the car were able to walk away from the crash ...and then you get the one where the 2 year old was sitting in the front seat not even wearing so much as a seat belt..car hits a deer..air bag goes off killing said 2 year ..very little damage to the car.
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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 6:48pm
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It's such a damn waste of a little life. The car that hit the deer had almost no damage. Nobody should have died in that crash :(
I also hope the mother gets charged. ------------- 
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 6:54pm
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You just seem to be on some kind of moral crusade about rf and while I applaud your dedication to your cause, it is, frankly a bit OTT. Imagine the uproar if "breast nazis" kept up with links and threads in the same manner? Yes, you have some valid points, but these links are...scaremongering. Like I said, there are probably videos on you tube about babies sick from drinking formula or from vaccinating and dying and stuff (and I work in public health so yes, I have seen/know of "those cases") however I and others like me don't post up about it all the time, because parenting is full of personal choices and some of these choices are hard enough to make without moral crusaders "ramming" stuff down our throats all the time.
Did you ever stop to think that Car seat companies probably PAY for those heart wrenching stories to go viral?, knowing that thier product will spike in sales with every hit????? And Im waiting for you to take a pot shot about me...oh and more ammo, I have had my 5 y/o in the front seat of my car in his booster before too.... |
Posted By: myonlineself
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 6:55pm
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I do think its a tad different to ff your child for car sickness than because they look cooler ff.... sure people make their own decisions, but its a shame when people make uninformed decisions, and whether you agree or not, the fact is that rf is safer... its a fact, not scaremongering... and I am sure that if more people were aware of that fact, less people would ff their children early... most people turn their kids at 1 year because that's what everyone else does and they assume its the right thing to do...
I suggest you don't take it personally, cause that isn't what this thread is about... ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Plushie
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 7:05pm
| And like i said, i don't really mind what my friend does with her baby though i wish she had a better reason then him looking cool - thats her child she can do whatev she wants - but i do not appreciate her telling me to FF my son this early and constantly getting in my face about it. For the record she also trys to force a 10month to crawl (there must be something wrong with him, has he been to the dr?) and is a general PIMA so perhaps i am just chosing an inappropriate place to vent. I'm not judging her choices i just wish she'd stay the f** out of mine! |
Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 7:11pm
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The links aren't about rf/ff. I think the thread just took that direction :) -------------
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Posted By: Nothing
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 7:11pm
I agree, I read the thread and not for one second thought it was scaremongering towards anyone who FF's. Everyone makes their own decisions, some for the right ones and some for the wrong ones. I wouldnt take it personally at all. ------------- 
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 7:15pm
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TBH it s the almost evangelical preaching about RF VS FF that is more than a little "off putting".
No one knows exactly why people make the choices they do. I'd agree that FF to make a baby "look cool" puts the intellegance of said person to question, however i have learnt over the years that yelling and preaching your information all the time makes people shut off...quietly works better. People shut down and turn off when you get onto a preach about stuff..and talk about it all. the. time. |
Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 7:34pm
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Gotta agree with you on this one.....regardless of how I feel about RF vs FF -------------   http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:10pm
Yep have to agree as well! Im not getting into the rest because Im quite frankly sick of the damn RF FF debate! But, my kids are both in safe FF carseats. Have a go at the parents who don't restrain their kids AT ALL! There are a lot of those f*ck wits out there! ------------- |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:39pm
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OH DEAR!!!! Im glad someone informed me that FF too soon was potentially putting my baby at risk. NO one has ever told me that I was putting my two other boys at risk by turning them at 6months. I did so because it was the norm and didnt realise because I wasnt informed and also I didnt have the net with my first (15yrs ago) so I am super glad that I now know this. I have my son 15months RF still and will be until he reaches full limit of 12kgs........failure to do that is completely irresponsible on my behalf as I am now making an informed choice.......and if i turned my son now knowing that its a HUGE risk then I would be super irresponsible as I wouldnt be putting his best interest and safety first!!!!
I hardly see this comparison to breast nazis.....and dont get me wrong I would love to be a breast nazi and I have my own judgement on formula fed babies....which is a whole different topic.....but this is a life and death situation and I fail to understand why anyone would for the sake of "coolness" turn their babies before they reach full weight limit for RF????!!!!!!! Go Novembermum on your crusade cos if you save lives in the process then im 100% behind you all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:46pm
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Oh I totally agree for the sake of 'coolness' is just....pathetic!!!
I turned DS at 9 months as I didn't know any better! and I turned DD when she was a year old. Id love to get RF car seats for them but its just find the money for them as Id need to and those seats are like $410-510!! That's $820-1000 for 2
If they want more people to RF for longer then make the bloody seats affordable for your average NZer!! ------------- |
Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:48pm
| Sheza that cosco scenera goes to 16kg that would get the average child rearfacing to 2 years..you can get them for less than $200 in some places. |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:53pm
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I guess it depends on how you few RF and car safety. The car seat I've got from Plunket is RF to 15kgs, and I will RF till then as its within the safety guidelines of the seat. My seat cost $30 advantage of living in Waitakere Licensing Trust catchment area.
I wouldn't drive anyone in my car without a seat belt on cause its not safe. I think of RF in the same light. Unfortunately the people selling car seats often don't know any better either. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:57pm
I am lucky at 15months my baby is only 10kgs, and for his Guardian SnS he wont need turning until 12kgs which he will be about 2yrs old. My 6yr old is now also in a side impact protected full booster seat...I do agree that they need to make RF for longer more affordable but I think when my baby is 12kgs I dont think I will mind him FF as he will be a lot older than 6months and certainly a heck of a lot better than the 6kgs a 6month old would weigh. I also think that they need to make it LAW that you are not to FF until they reach that height or weight limit of that Said carseat. I was talking to plunket the other day and she was very happy to hear my thoughts on the carseat situation and I said that my son wont be turned until 12kgs....but it should be automatically added to all baby books and bounty books and anything that helps parents make an informed choice........not scare them but to give them the knowledge of what they are doing!! |
Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 9:07pm
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I'm pretty sure Novembermum started this thread with the purpose of sharing information, nit "scaremongering". If it weren't for ohbaby I wouldn't even be aware of the risk of turning my DS forwards, I would have naively followed plunkets guidelines and turned him at 1, along with the majority of NZ.
My DS cries and gets upset at times in his carseat, but there is no way I will take him out, or turn him around. His safety is paramount. -------------  
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 9:21pm
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I haven't watched the vid's but the mother, who you say, had a child in the front seat of a car with an airbag, regardless of if the child was in a carseat or not, is a plain moron! Airbags say on them to not have children or small people in the front with air bags. ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 9:31pm
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Interestingly I heard a recent ad on the radio for carseat safety and they were advising to RF babies and toddlers and FF pre-schoolers and in a booster till your child is 148cm in height. Seems the message about RF is getting thru. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 9:32pm
I think completely irresponsible would be no car seat in an airbagged seat (as in the first link) ... I think it's a bit extreme to call a parent with a good FF carseat completely irresponsible! I think RFing is a good thing and intend to do so with my youngest, but should I have to turn her due to car sickness or other reasons I don't think that is completely irresponsible... and I think saying it's a HUGE risk and super irrsponsible is scaremongering... ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 9:36pm
A woman killed her children in a similar accident near Palmerston North and she did get charged with manslaughter as they kids weren't properly restrained. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 10:16pm
As you can see the comment says "I" would be irresponsible not "you" or "they" because I dont have car sickness as a factor or other reasons (which I cant think of what other reasons there could possibly be)and you know what if it is this "scaremongering" then I say good bloody job cos someone should scare people into doing the right thing.......quite sick of this tiptoeing around so not to upset someone when its a childs life and safety we are talking about, not whether we BF or FF or BLW or Pureed.......this is a serious topic and people should be scared into doing the right bloody thing if its an option for them..... |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 10:27pm
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 10:32pm
I think the kids seats they have (narnias) are both til about this height. I think its more "standard" now, which is good. You can also take the back off them, and just use them as half boosters, which is what I'd do for a child over, say 130 maybe? cos 148cm is not that much smaller than I! My almost 6 y/o is 125cm and my 4 y/o is 99cm I think. She's still in a 5 point but you can convert it to a "bosster" then a half booster. |
Posted By: Whateversville
Date Posted: 01 April 2011 at 10:40pm
Couldn't have said it better myself. |
Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:17am
*gets out popcorn,doses it with butter...offers to fatartsrock*  ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:33am
I must remember to roll my eyes at you next time you are crusading about one of the many things you get on your soap box about.. |
Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:40am
| I forward faced my child...well, jake doesn't count cause we lived overseas and didn't have a car, but Taine at 6 months. i did so because he had grown out of his capsule. It was my decision. I didn't know about extended rear facing. Big question - would i have continued rear facing if I had a car seat that supported this? maybe - if I could have afforded the seat - i certainly would not have expected others to pay for it (maybe dad - but that is another story). would I have kicked arse of anyone who told me i was a bad mother for not doing so? you betcha! The thing i don't like about videos like this, is that it is propaganda. Reports with statistics and studies - fair enough, but videos like this use propaganda techniques to guilt people into doing things - it gets my back up and makes me LESS likely to do what they want. it also makes me question their motives. |
Posted By: myonlineself
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:50am
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...and they wonder why there is bullying in schools... seems not everyone grows out of it.... unhelpful belittling remarks are uncalled for, this is an interesting discussion... if you have nothing constructive to add, why not just go post somewhere else? ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:56am
and if it's not an option?? they should live in fear?? it just all seems a bit out of perspective to me... ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:56am
| ok folks this is not about forward facing vs rear facing my intention was to show the importance of having children correctly restrained..this is something that really happened and if showing this story can save even one life then that can only be a good thing can't it |
Posted By: Lucky apple
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:57am
yeah...I thought that too. Has brought the tone of the discussion down quite a bit. Respect for others, and their decisions is called for. I agree with ERF - I learned about it on OB, thanks ladies! But I also agree with fattartsrock and I also agree that the initial post was not even about ERF! |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 10:04am
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Thanks Novembermum, Im sure there are some people out there that appreciate what you are trying to show.......where as others just love to come in to debate things for the sake of it as none of their arguments against really stack up against the safety of a child being put first..... But in their minds they prefer to go against the "system".......where as Me I like to make informed choices and if I decided to turn my son sooner then that would be my perogative but at least my choice would be informed.......just like people who start smoking, we all know its deadly but people still start regardless......and well thats their funerals, but they cant turn around and say "OH MY WHY DIDNT SOMEONE TELL ME" Information is power and we all have the CHOICE........no one on here is forcing anyone to do anything. And please feel free to pick my post to death and find ways to put words into my mouth and change the context...!! |
Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 10:04am
well I doubt there is many (if any) of us on here that take our kids our unrestrained (as in the first article) so why would you post that as a comparison to RFing? ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 10:08am
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chickielou - I don't think anyone has actually disagreed with ERFing - in fact I said I was going to ERF my youngest and I will be until at least 2, probably longer all going well. I just think trying to get people to listen using fear and guilt is wrong and doesn't work! ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 10:19am
I personally think this comment was very judging, if I was that person how welcome would I feel about now. I agree with eevryone that said it comes down to circumstances and finances. My children have both FF from 6 months due to the fact that RF carseats can't fit in my car and we can't afford to change cars. They are legal carseats and always restrained. Am I a bad mother? Hell no. my kids are fed, clothed and loved.....more than I can say for some kids out there. For those that are whinging about others butting into their parenting choices - tell them to back off. Who cares, are they really that great a "friend" if they are trying to force you to do something. People parenting decisions and choices will always differ. -------------  
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 12:26pm
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Im rolling eyes at the great umbrage that is being taken and the WAY OTT reactions!
Ive not ever said I am against RF however I get sick of the evangelsitcal preaching about it... Just like people get sick of the BF "vs" FF debate and the Vaxing "vs" non vaxxing debate. The thing that makes me ALSO roll my eyes is that having a 19 y/o as well as littlies, I can now see the "big picture" - I can see that it takes more than RF/BF/Cloth nappying etc to be a good parent. Yep feel free to bring your umbrage into any sopabox I get up onto, because oyu will find tht I haven't been up on one in here for a very very long time...and I could, but you know, big picture and all, I can see there is no point. No one cares once your kid gets to school how they were fed, what type of nappies they wore and how they sat in your car. And did you know that breastfeeding can save your babies life as well? Do you know that formula poisons and kills kids on very regualr basis? Im sure if you look hard enough on you tube, you will find some kind of emotive video about tht too. And can you imagie the FLAMING Id get for posting that kind of propaganda up???? ...just sayin' |
Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 12:29pm
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 12:51pm
| ...and, its all well and good RF but if you drive a wee 3 door ford festiva, or a small car with no side impact protection or airbags, it would cave like an accordian in a crash and you'd all be toast no matter how you are sitting. ...just sayin'... |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 12:57pm
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*Sits next to emmecat with some popcorn* ------------- |
Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:20pm
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*sits nexts to emmecat and Sheza with popcorn* ...got m&ms too girls,if you want some... ------------- 
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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:22pm
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Oh and I FF'd my eldest two till they were one ,not sure what I'll do with Mila,but you can bet that I sure as hell wont put up with anyone judging me for my decision,I've got a school kid,I know parenting doesn't just consist of whether I BLW'nd,ERF'd or breast or bottle fed.
But,making sure your child is properly restrained,whether RFd or FFd,yes,very important -------------
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Posted By: pudgy
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:29pm
 to this. I have learned recently that as wonderful as it is being passionate about things if you bleat on and on about it , it simply puts people off. Liek all the other touchy parenting subjects people can argue and point fingers till the cows come home but not everyone will see that point of view. People will all do things their own way regardless.
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:35pm
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I hope this isn't gonna get into a debate about Ford Festivas *huffs* ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:35pm
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..or accordians. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: mothermercury
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:41pm
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DON'T GET ME STARTED ON ACCORDIONS.
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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:44pm
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...aren't accordions an instrument? damn it! I hate them too,noisy bloody things! .... -------------
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:51pm
| See I think "Festiva" is a little misleading...Its name makes it sound like its a fun kinda party car....but it isn't, lol |
Posted By: _Deb_
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:54pm
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By the way my comment about people being stupid was about people that don't properly restrain their kids.
I don't actually get into the whole FF vs RF debate but it just shocks me when i hear of people FF their babies when they're really small, because i can't understand WHY they would. When my son was younger i hadn't actually heard about extended rear facing at all. I planned on changing him to FF at around one which is when he would have reached the 12kg weight limit. But he always made a huge fuss in the car and would cry all the time, so i ended up turning him round at 10.5 months. My daughter is still rear facing at 16 months but i'll probably turn her round in the next few months. While i think it's good to RF till around one i'm not gonna have a go at people that turn them sooner, but i do think it's dangerous to have very young babies FF. I just want to see kids suitably restrained. It's sad that there are so many parents that don't do that. Anyway, making decisions regarding our kids can be really tough especially with all the conflicting advice there is around. They're always changing guidelines, bringing our new better car seats etc, no wonder people struggle to decide what is best. There will always be people that will disagree with/judge our decisions. We just have to make the decisions that are right for us/our families and our situations. I think it's all good to try and educate people so they know their options, without trying to ram it down their throats and making them feel like a bad parent for not doing what you think is best(Not talking about Novembermum by the way). I'm all for making informed decisions. -------------
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 02 April 2011 at 2:33pm
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What I don't get is how you can drive with a 2yr old unrestrained in a car. Now that is irresponsible parenting with the highest price paid in this case.
The second story & yes they were lucky to all be alive but I wonder how many others with the same story have not been so lucky & have been killed even though they have been correctly restrained. My kids were RF till they grew out of their capsule & then FF. I did not know about RF a child past that. I don't know if I would do it now either. |
Posted By: Babykatnz
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 9:11am
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Same as Peanut and Jazzy, once my older 2 grew out of their capsule, they were in a FF carseat (it has the capacity to RF, but wont fit in my car that way, and we cant afforf to replace the car!) With my oldest it was 6 months as my mother wanted her capsule back so the choice was out of my hands, with DD we held off til 8.5 months. D will be exactly the same, I dont give a rats wazoo who tries to tell me what about carseats, my kids are always restrained, whether it be to their standards or not!
I do think the links posted were both 'extremes' one not restrained at all, and one ERF, what about a link to middle ground, a child who is still restrained, even if its not RF and walks away?? ------------- Brandon - 05/12/2003  
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Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 9:20am
ok the point of those links is to show that even though there was major damage to one car all occupants of that car had minor injuries..ie they all lived to tell the story because they were all correctly restrained..and the other car the 2 year old died even though there was very ltitle damage to the car because he was unrestrained and in the front seat. and in the car that was written off two of the children were FF (albiet one of them breaking their leg) and were able to walk away. |
Posted By: linda
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 10:03am
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I found the two stories very unrelated other than they both had an accident. A child unrestrained in the front seat is not going to do well in an accident. With the other one, who knows what would have happened should the child not have been RF.
I had thought the conversation went from car seats to formula feeding when I saw FF and couldn't quite understand what was going on...until I realised that FF was forward facing. And fatartsrock, I so agree! As parents we do what we need to do ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 10:49am
so the first link was pretty irrelevant to anyone with any common sense then ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 11:16am
I know nothing about this topic but I heard this ad too and thought I must have misheard considering my mother is only about 148cm. Must tell her to get a rear facing carseat! 
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Posted By: Plushie
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 11:21am
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its just a booster to 148, i saw it in the docs office before with a height chart! im pretty sure i know a few adults who need boosters
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 11:32am
haha imagine an adult driving round in booster seat  ------------- |
Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 11:34am
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Oh ok, gotcha bowie! Maybe I could buy mum a Barbie booster
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Posted By: Kalimirella
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 1:14pm
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Hehe, though don't some shorter people put a cushion on the seat to boost their height? Thats similar to a booster in that it helps the seatbelt to fit correctly. ------------- Kiara is 3 and Teagan is 2, now we're expecting our long awaited 3rd! http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: nathansmummy
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 1:35pm
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TBH, I turned my son to FF when he was 1yr old because I hadn't heard about ERF. When I did find out about it (on here), I didn't switch him around and I didn't do further research on it. We've come along way since the 70's when my mother used to lie me down in the backseat in a carry cot and nurse my brother on her knee!!!
Now our carseats have to be fitted perfectly and Plunket check them for us, and have to be on the correct angle at the correct position. Our 5yo are now in booster seats till they are 6yo. Now in my opinion this is not OTT but I don't think we should be getting too uptight about mothers FF their children at age 1yo or in Fattarts case - earlier because of car sickness. At least they are in a car seat and strapped in! I didn't click on the link to any car crashes - I don't want to read about that stuff personally. I am pretty safe and pretty sensible with my child nevertheless. But interested to hear factual stats if someone has them. I would agree that I don't mind sharing information but leaving it to parents to make their own decisions. I get far more upset when I see a baby sitting on an adult's knee (unrestrained) while they're driving... |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 1:59pm
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what do you think the punishment should be for people that dont restrain babies or children??
And of those that have seen babies/children on parents knees, can you remember if the adult is wearing a seatbelt?? It floors me that people wouldnt restrain a child even if it wasnt at the correct angle etc......but then again it also floors me that people still smoke with their babies in the car or house!!!!!!! WTF!!!! So does anyone know what punishment is given?? I suppose it would be a mediocre fine?? I was appalled to hear that in Wainuiomata Lower Hutt, the police were going around giving out fines to people who had carseats older than 10yrs old, which ok is one thing, but the fine was $150, but if you didnt have your baby restrained at all, the fine was $100!!! thats CRAZY!!!! So basically they were saying if you cant afford to upgrade your older carseat, then its much better financially to have your baby unrestrained!!! COME ON!!! |
Posted By: nathansmummy
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:03pm
It actually might be quite helpful in terms of being able to see over the steering wheel!
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:08pm
I don't know what a fit punishment would be...but for me to live with myself after causing the death of my child would be a life sentence. I don't know if I could. |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:10pm
| Thats the prob we want these things to be avoided and not punished after the fact......but then again if the thought of losing your baby isnt enough to want to keep them safe then Im sorry maybe they shouldnt have babies.........for the most part we can only do so much to protect our babies from all the dangers out there, and this one would be a fairly simple one to perform!!!! |
Posted By: nathansmummy
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:12pm
| Chickielou that might be going a bit far to say they shouldn't have babies. I think the answer would be more information/education about kids in carseats and the consequences of being unrestrained. I understand your being passionate about this though, I do get mad and upset when I see that kind of thing. And try to call the police if I catch the registration long enough. |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:17pm
Great post, Nathans Mummy. Actually, as there is a preschool on the same grounds as our school there is at least once a term spot checks by the police in regards to restraints and seats and it always makes me go OMG when I see pacifica families who do the ol' kid on the knee trick. Working for public health, I get the carseat safety lady out to pre school once a term to talk about seats with our immigrant families plus parents centre and a breastfeedign support group in town do the same. SO there is plenty of information out there, I guess it comes down to the individual to use it. |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:19pm
| I have to say too, that the families who get ticketed for no seats etc, are usually our "low decile" families and they don't pay the fines anyhow, so Im not sure how that particualr punishment works, wither. |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:20pm
Passionate much!! I like the idea of ERF so you can imagine what I think about No restraining at all........I would have to hold myself back from giving them a piece of my mind......and end up being flattened Im sure!! but yes I would def get rego I would think that there is enough education out there already....how much more time and money should be spent on people that arent going to listen to warnings no matter what.....It something that I think Cyps should be called in to talk to offenders about (if there was enough manpower about to have cyps take that on of course) |
Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:26pm
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The information may be out there, but doesn't mean the right people have access to it. Like so many have said - they didn't even know about ERFing until they read it on OB. ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: nathansmummy
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:26pm
| It'd be interesting to find out why lower socio-economic groups and/or PI groups have a high incidence (if that is the case?) I'd personally prefer to find out the reasons rather than hop on the bandwagon and make judgments about them. |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:29pm
and then we get hammered for scaremongering by bringing these things up in discussion forums........maybe thats why the information doesnt get to where it needs to....... |
Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:31pm
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I agree Nathansmummy and my guess would be that they are less likely to access services in which they would be educated about such issues - possibly due to cultural barriers (e.g. plunket, antinatal classes etc) ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:32pm
I don't believe it's necessary to incite fear to educate ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: nathansmummy
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:35pm
| I don't think it tends to work with those groups anyway. Maori and PI groups having a high rate of Diabetes, Heart Disease etc I used to work with them and the approach definitely wasn't to incite fear into what could happen, eg. "you could die... lose your limbs..." etc.!!! |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:44pm
I dont see tiptoeing around making much difference either......so I suppose the world will always have those that dont for what ever reasons be it igornance or just uneducated due to cultural.... |
Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 3:09pm
so what is the issue not being in a car seat or RF? |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 3:18pm
That comment is relating to the ones that dont restrain at all, whether it be FF, RF or in an old carseat... It would be interesting to know some Stats on those who get caught with unrestrained children, because I would like to put a wager on a good majority of those having carseats installed but they have just decided not to for sake of a short trip....but without stats thats MY assumption |
Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 3:59pm
| I think its just conmen sense restraining your child...the ones that don't...won't. |
Posted By: becky
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 5:23pm
I think your right CYF dont have the manpower to deal with this since they are dealing with parents that seriously abuse their children. I cant remember when I turned my DS to FF but think I went by the 1 year guideline. I have to agree that this issue is small in comparison to people that dont restrain at all. I think parents have enough cr@p to deal with these days around decisions and whats best without worrying about such small things like rf vs ff. I think most parents do the best they can with the information and supports they have. We need to applaud those parents that do the best for their children and make sure their needs are met. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 5:31pm
This is relating to unrestrained NOT RF vs FF..... |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 5:35pm
AGREE !!
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Posted By: nathansmummy
Date Posted: 04 April 2011 at 5:51pm
| I wonder if cost is one of the barriers - which I'm assuming is why Waitakere made them "free" with a $25 plunket donation. |