No Cry Sleep Solution
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Topic: No Cry Sleep Solution
Posted By: myfullhouse
Subject: No Cry Sleep Solution
Date Posted: 16 August 2010 at 9:42am
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Until now Ben's poor sleeping hasn't been too much of a problem really so I haven't been bothered to make changes but after another bad sleep last night I am going to start trying to 'fix' this.
I want to use the No Cry Sleep Solution so would value any feedback from those that have already used it. I have used a few ideas for Jack in the past but never actually followed it properly My main concern/hurdle is that I am not really 100% sure (or confident in myself) that I know the reason he is waking every 1-2hrs between bedtime and morning. It started at the beginning of the year when he started teething and he has cut 16 teeth since then, I don't think it is teething anymore. But it could be separation anxiety and/or him getting closer to walking. So how did you know the answer to what was causing the problem? Or was it just a big case of trial and error and/or guesswork? ETA: he has been sleeping in our bed each night anywhere from 9.30pm onwards. Jack has been coming into our bed too and because of Ben's waking I can't be bothered returning Jack to his bed. Most nights DH gets into Jack's bed at some stage once he gets sick of being squashed  ------------- Lindsey 
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Posted By: millymollymandy
Date Posted: 16 August 2010 at 10:37am
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I got out the NCSS from the library. There were some great things like good bedtime routines, cuddlies and wind downs which I used and we did use soem of the ideas for getting out of feeding to sleep.
However to be honest I found it really vague on how to actually fix the 1 hourly waking. Maybe if I hadn't be so sleep deprived and depressed we could have stuck it out and she would have learnt to wean herself off patting and rocking. But after 6 weeks we were all miserable and more sleep deprived than ever. I have heard that it works if you give it time, but I haven't come across anyone who has used it successfully. I'd love to read a success story as the principles in it are lovely. If you cosleep maybe it has more success? sorry to sound negative, but that was my experiance. |
Posted By: myfullhouse
Date Posted: 16 August 2010 at 11:30am
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That's fine millymollymandy, it's great to hear RL stories, positive or negative. I have been vaguely following it already in trying to get Ben attached to a "lovey" without much success yet, so I am glad I am not the only one that hasn't had their problems solved 100% by the book, at least I know it might be the book rather than me! ------------- Lindsey
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Posted By: tiptoes
Date Posted: 16 August 2010 at 1:47pm
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I'm the same Linzy and was going to request a copy of the book from the library today as feeling more and more tired by the day and finding bringing him into bed isn't really working anymore as he's still really unsettled and keeps crying out and I'm not sure what's keeping him awake now. I think it's teething, but how long can I really blame teething for? Or as you say how do you know if it's that or separation anxiety or developmental? I still pat and shush to sleep (and sometimes rock) too as am too tired to move to the next stage. Some how it seems harder now than the newborn stage.
I'm not into CIO or CC either, but also not into not sleeping 
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Posted By: SpecialK
Date Posted: 16 August 2010 at 1:48pm
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We went through a similar thing with H a few weeks ago - so about Ben's age and I got the NCSS book out to see if it helped. Like millymollymandy I found it a bit waffly - H has had the same bed time routine since he was born, has had a 'lovey' from 4 months that he is very attached to, etc etc.
He was also teething (like you cut 16 teeth since xmas). Basically what we did was a bit of CIO, a bit of medication for the teeth (pamol, weleda teething powder, bonjela) and a bit of patience and riding it out. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: crafty1
Date Posted: 16 August 2010 at 3:25pm
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if you're not into cc or cio and want some ideas the baby whisperer (tracy hogg) website forums are good.
they have lots of really specific ideas there. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  
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Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 16 August 2010 at 7:43pm
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I found it helped us a lot earlier on, but now we've got new issues cos I've been sick for 2 months and ended up cosleeping so I didn't have to get up. Now i'm finally better, I'm going to try it again. Is anyone interested in working together - comparing sleep logs & ideas etc? ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Sparkle7
Date Posted: 16 August 2010 at 9:38pm
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I'm with SpecialK. I loved the ideas but found it very waffly and long winded and we never had much success with it. It was passed onto me from my best friend who also liked the ideas but failed to make it work for her. I don't want to put you off though. I agree it could work better for co-sleepers.
Good luck! |
Posted By: millymollymandy
Date Posted: 17 August 2010 at 11:36am
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Posted By: E&L+1
Date Posted: 17 August 2010 at 12:53pm
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I tried it as well with Esme. It helped reduce her night waking (or that could be coincidental) as I reduced the length of her feeds using the NCSS technique. But I never got past that and we are still (5 months on) waking 1-3 times a night. It was a bit vague and I ended up more tired than I would be just feeding her. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: newaussiemum
Date Posted: 17 August 2010 at 2:11pm
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I tried it with my wee girl a few months ago (has now just gone 8 months) and didn't have too much long term success, but what seems to have helped a truckload has been Save our Sleep by Tizzie Hall. Not sure if it was the timing of it, but ever since I started on her routines (loosely, dd definitely has a mind of her own when it comes to wake, feed and sleep times!), we only have 1 wake in the night, and two really good sleeps during the day. I still feed before she goes down (which is against the 'rules'), but goes down awake and chats herself to sleep.
It's bliss! So yeah, am recommending Tizzie over Elizabeth 
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Posted By: mumtooboys
Date Posted: 17 August 2010 at 4:06pm
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The thing is the NCSS isn't a 'stop the night waking' book, it's a book about how to stop them needing assistance through the night book. I think it is a bit of trial and error to find what works for you.
We are a 'success' story...but I think a lot of of it was just the 'right' timing. We actually only had to do one thing, but after 2 months of 5 very broken hours of sleep in every 24 it was the right thing we did. Having said that, it hasn't meant he's stopped waking forever more and not needed our help because he has, the longest stretch we had recently was 5 months earlier this year when we went away and his sleeping went to h*ll in a hand basket. It was 5 months of slowly moving from being IN bed with him, to being able to sit beside his bed, to sitting just outside his door, to sitting in the hallway to being able to walk off for 5ish minutes and come back and check on him. For us, all we did initially was put him to bed at 6:30 which was an hour earlier than we had been putting him to bed. That night he slept 10 STRAIGHT hours without needing us once, and this carried on for another 2 weeks when he started doing 11-12 hours overnight and a 2-3 hour nap during the day. We had 18 months of 10-12 hours overnight without needing our assistance when he woke (I don't for one minute think he wasn't waking up because everyone wakes in the night), including a month where he was sleeping 7-7 instead of going to bed at 7 and being awake for the day at 5am! He had just been night weaned the week before he stopped sleeping, a process that we took slowly over the course of a couple of months and to be honest I felt a right idiot for having night weaned him in the first place because it had up till then been the easiest and quickest way to get him to go back to sleep. He seemed to grasp the concept really well though because he seemed to understand that during certain hours he was only going to get a cuddle/pat/rock and not boob unless he was hysterical or sick. Good luck anyway. We've had a sick child this week and he has so far spent 4 nights in our bed, but slept in his bed last night. He did wake up 3 times last night and have to be put back to bed, where he stayed, but I think that was because daddy was working and he could hear him. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: myfullhouse
Date Posted: 17 August 2010 at 7:16pm
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I am at the point where I really want to help change things for Ben but I just don't have the energy. I just don't know what to do. He seems to be a stubborn little boy (coupled with my exhasution so I do what is easiest) and I can see it is going to be a hard road getting him to wean and self settle. I suppose I just wish that someone would tell me what to do, trying to think of a solution just seems to hard.
So mumtooboys are you suggesting that I would possibly have more success if I tried to get him to self settle first rather than trying to stop the night waking, then the night waking would reduce and/or stop needing my assistance? ------------- Lindsey
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Posted By: HippyMama
Date Posted: 17 August 2010 at 9:01pm
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Without resorting to CC or CIO I don't think you can ever truly *stop* night wakings.
In terms of self settling we might slowly be getting there, the thing that I am working on is the connection between DD2 falling asleep on the boob - or rather reducing it, so far so good although we are going *really* slowly with things anyhow. She is far more readily accepting of a quick cuddle / pat / shh / rock when she wakes in the night rather than demanding a feed, although I'm still keeping that 'tool' in my toolbox iygwim? We feed in the night once most nights, I try not to feed her before midnight, but sometimes only boob will do. *shrug* What will be will be, some kids take to self settling, some kids don't, the same goes with night waking etc etc. I do believe though, that you will find what works for you both in time *hugs* (though I agree it ain't easy!) ------------- Mama to two earth walkers & two angels. Remember, you are not managing an inconvenience; You are raising a human being. ~ Kittie Franz Next Slingbabies! Meet - Friday 4th May !! |
Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 17 August 2010 at 9:34pm
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Linzy, I'm in the same boat as you! I've read half of the original and the toddler versions of the NCSS, and am now trying to get hold of my own copy of the toddler version so I can try it out properly (so far only tried a couple of the ideas).
I also wish I knew why Campbell is still waking, but I know the fact that we co-sleep and he still needs the boob to get back to sleep during the night is not helping. I would love to know how other people have got rid of the night feeds without much crying! T-Rex, comparing ideas and logs sounds like a great idea! |
Posted By: myfullhouse
Date Posted: 17 August 2010 at 9:39pm
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Ben is up now and will go to bed with me once I get off here!
This is the 3rd time he has woken tonight and he was asleep at 6.30pm, waking about every 45min or so. I just don't know what to do. If he slept well in our bed it wouldn't be so much of a problem but at least 50% of the time he still wakes every few hours. If he *only* woke once or twice then I would do cartwheels ------------- Lindsey
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Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 18 August 2010 at 6:46am
Sounds like my life. It's pretty normal to be awake for half an hour out of every 2 hours here. And I'm working 3 full days a week too. I am TIRED!! I co-sleep frequently which makes the wakings a wee bit easier on me, but doesn't seem to make them any less. Once or twice a night would be heaven!! I'm going to complete a sleep log this weekend, and I'll post it on here. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Linzy wrote:Posted By: myfullhouse
Date Posted: 18 August 2010 at 9:43am
OK I might try and do that too, I might even try and keep Ben in the cot as I don't really wake 100% when he is in our bed so probably will forget to write in the log ------------- Lindsey
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Posted By: millymollymandy
Date Posted: 18 August 2010 at 10:29am
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You'll get there. Best advice we had was to pick something then stick with it.
Also as everyone says, people no matter how old they are don't stop waking at night, the trick is being OK with that and going back to sleep on your own. Sometimes DD makes noise at night (a few seconds or so) -she still wakes, but then goes back to sleep. (although I think might be makign noise in sleep too??). Hippy Mama is right different babies take to different things. Something will fit best with Ben and your family. |
Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 21 August 2010 at 10:23pm
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Will be interesting to read the sleep logs!
I should try and complete one this week too. |
Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 25 August 2010 at 9:03am
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I dont know how different the No Cry Sleep Solution is to the Baby Whisperer, (which DH bought me for xmas and Ive just started reading) but Im going to try her plan this weekend, hopefully within 5 days DD will sleep longer than an hour at a time at night with out having to be resettled... I like the way she says to not leave her to CIO, which I (personally) just hate the idea of, esp as DD barely cries..
I know she is still quite young, but she has always been a great sleeper, the alst 2ish months shes done 6 or 7 hour blocks, but the last week and a half has been crap, and I would love for her to self settle sooner rather than later ------------- 
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Posted By: myfullhouse
Date Posted: 25 August 2010 at 3:13pm
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Emmi keep in mind that they do go through growth spurts at around 12wks and she could be going through one now. Either way I hope your sleep improves! ------------- Lindsey
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 25 August 2010 at 5:04pm
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Linzy, I thought that, and I think originally it might have been (a week and a half ago) as she was waking hourly/hour and a half and was totally starving, now she wakes every 45mins but just wants the dummy and will go back to sleep again. When shes hungry she spits it out and grizzles...
mmmm sleep would be nice!  -------------
+1 May 09 Angel
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