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Topic: Cant believe it
Posted By: LouD
Subject: Cant believe it
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 12:58pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3979421/Mum-shrugs-off-library-abuse - women abused for breastfeeding in library



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Posted By: lil_lease
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 1:19pm
What a rude man.

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Posted By: pikelets
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 1:51pm
What is wrong with some people!! Grrr

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Posted By: Rachel1982
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 2:56pm
good on her for not being put off.

I'm hoping to breastfeed shortly and hope I am able to have her great attitude.


I love how it's always men that complain the loudest about women's issues like breastfeeding, abortions etc.

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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 3:15pm
geez she wasn't even showing that much skin ,not that it should matter , if people don't like it , don't look ,its pretty simple .

If it had been me , I would have said "you could have found another place to be a closed minded jerk "

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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 3:16pm
...I would then , have proceeded to take my child off my breast , go sit as close as possible to the man , have the baby cry for a few minutes in his ear and ask "now which do you prefer ? the buffet bar , or the night club ?"
Then I would have carried on feeding baby .

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Posted By: nathansmummy
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 3:23pm
*Like* hehe


Posted By: my4beauties
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 4:05pm

*Like* a lot, Kelly!!

 

What a rude a-hole of a guy.  I'm yet to have any comments on BF any of my children in public, but if I ever do negative ones then I'll be sure to use Kelly's response.



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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 4:51pm
to be honest, when I was bfeeding, i was DYING to have someone say something negative. and no one ever did.


Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 7:41pm
I wouldve loved have got my aim on and squirted him in the eye


Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 8:19pm
OMG!! That is shocking!

I was breastfeeding in there on Friday, had absolutely no comments or anything.

But I agree with what you would have done Kelly, a friend of mine was at the docs for her bubs 6 week jabs, as per usual running behind schedule so her baby was crying and she BF him and people kept giving her dirty looks and saying she could do that in private. But she asked would they rather him screaming or being quiet and feeding.

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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 8:30pm
I thought the comment at the bottom of that article about a recent survey that said 1/3 of people think women should breastfeed in the bathroom not the restaurant was interesting and a bit off.

Its ok for us to eat at the table but not our babies.

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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 8:45pm
The thing is most non parents fail to realise bathroom generally have a change table and no seats unless you sit on the toilet and feed baby which - no thanks!!

There are only seating in the parents rooms which I have found and even then some malls have like 1 seat or none!

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Posted By: nathansmummy
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 8:50pm
I for one refuse to breastfeed my baby in a scummy toilet where there is urine and poo. No way. So if he is hungry he is hungry! If I feel uncomfortable where I am I will breastfeed in the car, but I have still had passers by walking past so it's still public.

I have had one comment - on the day that my baby had his baby dedication (like a christening). I will one day have the guts to tell her how I felt about that...


Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 8:51pm
I don't like the parents rooms anyways, the whole changing of dirty nappies in the same place as you feed grosses me out.

I don't eat near where I go to the toilet, why should my baby.

Its like we have to deal with everyone else issues around breasts, wish they'd get over themselves.

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Posted By: Troods
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 8:59pm
Originally posted by lizzle lizzle wrote:

to be honest, when I was bfeeding, i was DYING to have someone say something negative. and no one ever did.


Same here! I'd have all these clever comebacks lined up in my head ready to go as soon as I popped my boob out, but I never got the chance to use any of them. I didn't even get dirty looks. And I still BF number two so when out and about I still wait for a negative comment but none so far. What's the bet the day I do get one, I'll get all flustered, forget what I wanted to say, and just cry.

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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 9:07pm
Originally posted by Troods Troods wrote:

Originally posted by lizzle lizzle wrote:

to be honest, when I was bfeeding, i was DYING to have someone say something negative. and no one ever did.


Same here! I'd have all these clever comebacks lined up in my head ready to go as soon as I popped my boob out, but I never got the chance to use any of them. I didn't even get dirty looks. And I still BF number two so when out and about I still wait for a negative comment but none so far. What's the bet the day I do get one, I'll get all flustered, forget what I wanted to say, and just cry.


Me too!! although for all I know people have given me dirty looks but I would never notice that mwahahahaha. I would especially love someone to say something to me when I am having a bad day and I could just go nuts hehe.

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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 01 August 2010 at 9:09pm
I don't mind breastfeeding in Public, in fact I hope it encourages others to do the same, it can be quite lonely being locked away to feed. MIL and DP always send me off to the parents room!

Most of the parents rooms I have been to have cubicles with arm chairs in them and curtains for privacy and the changing facilities are on the other side of the room.

I understand the whole 'breasts are sexualised and used to sell things' because that's true but boobs are for feeding babies too! Thats what they were designed to do!

I have a whole long list of comments for anyone that dare say anything to me!
Never had any comments just people giving looks or looking kinda awkward! A couple of friends came to visit me in my own home and were like "Well gee, this is awkward!" (no kids) but it was either that or her scream! Luckily my bestie when she came I said 'sorry, gotta feed her!" she said "All good!"

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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 8:50am
Originally posted by Lil_Nic9 Lil_Nic9 wrote:


I understand the whole 'breasts are sexualised and used to sell things' because that's true but boobs are for feeding babies too! Thats what they were designed to do!


Yea, I totally agree. First and foremost, they're there to feed babies. There should be no issue with that! And while I'm comfortable with the fact men find them sexy too (added bonus, perhaps?) if the way we portray them in our society makes people uncomfortable about their main purpose, it's that that should change, not the breastfeeding!! As C&J says, Mums bear the brunt of other people's hang-ups, and it shouldn't be that way.

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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 9:01am
Men are the first ones to comment but yet they wouldnt think twice about taking a leak against a tree if they needed too or they wouldnt think twice about gawking at a half naked chick wearing a mini skirt or top that shows tones of cleavage.

Reckon they are just annoyed that we are using our breasts for things that arent as appealing to them so they have to comment negatively


Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 9:22am

Maybe you ladies with all the smart comments are too scary for anyone to challenge over BF in public .



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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 9:45am
Heh probably...

That's true what you said last Lou.

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Posted By: rachelsea
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 10:09am
Oh my gosh poor woman! I'm so glad in my 13months BFing that I never had a stranger comment negatively. I had a few positive comments though which was nice. When DD was 6wks old we were at a wedding, and she started screaming for a feed during the reception, so I walked around trying to find somewhere to sit to feed her and ended up sitting on a toilet to feed her Didn't feel comfortable enough publicly BFing till she was 8wks hehe

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Posted By: babyg
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 10:27am
I was walking down the main street of our town at a busy time of day while pregnant this time around and a woman was BFing her baby on a street bench. She had a full top on too which meant that she was showing a lot of skin to do so. Strangely enough - even though I completely agree with BFing anywhere, anytime and do BF in public myself ... I seemed to be embarrassed seeing it "Good on her" was running through my mind, but I couldn't help but look in the opposite direction as I passed her with very quick legs I don't think I'd have the balls to do it quite that publicly

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Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 3:37pm
Heh, I want someone to challenge me too, but I must have a "go on, I dare you" kind of look on my face, cos no-one ever does. I don't mind the parents rooms that have BF chairs, but I wish they'd have more chairs, so that if I have someone with me (I always drag DH or my sister or whoever into the feeding booth too, so I have someone to talk to), they can sit down too. I feel bad making them stand while I relax with DD. She's at the age where she feeds much better somewhere quiet with less to look at.

I was just wondering with C&J's comment, about not expecting your baby to eat in the loo, what are people's opinions about changing baby's nappy in public? I try to find a discrete spot to do it (especially if it's poos, lol), but I admit I've used dressing rooms in shops, hallways in a conference facility, various people's lounge floors, carseats, my lap, DH's office desk, etc to do that. I'd probably do it in the library too if there were no change tables in the loo. Does that offend people? (I use a change mat, so it's not like I could get poos/wees on anything).

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Posted By: _SMS_
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 3:48pm
I have never had anymore say anything negative when i was breastfeeding & would always flop my boob out when we were in public. I didnt really care lol.

I also had alot of nice comments. Good on you for feeding etc etc.

The article makes me mad!! Some people are so clueless & dumb

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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 3:55pm

I must of had that look of go on dare you too when I fed Josh in the Plaza. I was sitting in the food court waiting for DH and Andrew and Josh got hungry. I scared a few people off and it didn't bother me, then a kid who was working there clearing tables was about to come over and say something when a "senior" member came up to him and advised him against it - she must of known I would of ripped him to shreds about it.



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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 4:38pm
People amuse me , i've had noone really complain when I breast fed my kids, only a few dirty looks , (jealous , jealous of ma hot body )
But when I gave Ty a bottle of expressed milk once in a food court , an old woman came over and said to Tyler "awww you poor baby , is your mean mummy giving you a yucky bottle ?"

I informed her that 1) it was expressed breast milk, not that it was any of her business , and that if she really wanted to see a mean mummy , go open the paper and see the countless articles on mums who starve and abuse their kids .
I then politely told her how I fed my child was none of her business, but since she had made it her business, she should be glad my child was being fed , thankyou for your concern , good bye .:-)
then I turned away .
(and giggled at the look on her face )

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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 7:17pm
Yeah I've had a dirty look for giving EBM too

Umm I change Lily in change rooms but where ever I am changing her I use a change mat underneath. I've changed on the car seat, lounge floor, beds, couches and that's it I think.

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Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 10:39am
I feel embarrassed for some people - being so ignorant and rude must be hard work!

I can't think of any dirty looks while BF my son, nor have I had any comments but I simply don't look for them so maybe I'm missing the glares LOL. And Ryan is notorious for getting distracted and pulling off so I flash people about 50% of the time. I've fed at restaurants, cafes, on benches outside, etc.

I'm pretty sure I'm legally allowed to BF anywhere so...anywhere it is!

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Posted By: RedHeadDuck
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 11:38am
I haven't had a negative comment yet, I've had quite a few people give me positive comments though.
First time I had to feed DS in 'public' was in the bank, LOL! He was starting to get upset (I'd had to wake him to get to our insurance appointment) and I apologised to the guy, he was like nah its fine! Then as we were leaving he told me he was impressed by how discreet I was!

Then in the working mens club the other night I had to feed him (we were at a display thing in the main pub) and I just sat at our table feeding, this one (kinda drunk) guy kept coming up to me saying how beautiful it was to see me feeding my baby and he kept giving me the thumbs up etc


Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 2:33pm

Originally posted by mollycat mollycat wrote:



I can't think of any dirty looks while BF my son, nor have I had any comments but I simply don't look for them so maybe I'm missing the glares LOL. And Ryan is notorious for getting distracted and pulling off so I flash people about 50% of the time. I've fed at restaurants, cafes, on benches outside, etc.

I'm pretty sure I'm legally allowed to BF anywhere so...anywhere it is!

 

Sounds just like us, DS likes to pull off over and over again and play with me as he does it so people often get a good look at my boobs. But, it still doesn't discourage me from BF in public. If DS needs/wants it, he gets it.

So far I have only had positive comments or wee smiles. I honestly wouldn't know what to say if someone tried to tell me off, it certainly wouldn't stop me though.

 

It is really sad that in this day and age and with all the publicity over BFing that there are those negative few whom spoil such a natural beautiful thing. It just goes to show that they are the ones with the problem.



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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 6:48pm
Im kinda hoping some of these negative Egg heads accidentally walk into somewhere that his hosting the big latch on and gets a massive eye full.....and there will be so many doing it all at once they would get lynch mobbed if they dared to say anything.........


Posted By: nathansmummy
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 7:03pm
Yes I was going to say if you want to participate in breastfeeding week (or whatever it's called) there's the Big Latch On - venues displayed here:

http://www.womens-health.org.nz/index.php?page=BigLatchOn2010

Sorry couldn't be bothered doing the link thing. Sticky fingers from icing from yummy pink bun.

Just to add at Christmas last year my Aunty Pam had set up a feeding chair in her room for me to go to and to change DS. I hated feeding in a private room because by the time I finish, most of the visit was over because he was still newborn. At my parents place and anywhere else I just feed away - although DS gets distracted now if there's lots of people around. But I can't help but feel uncomfortable because I know others are, eg. my relatives there's another mother who never feeds in public, and an American who I'm assuming is not used to it seeing as they are so weird about it over there.


Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 7:17pm
Lol Moocow thats kinda funny bout the drunk guy in a creepy way! I've fed at a working mens club too!

I had to feed Lily on a stool today she kept pulling off luckily no one was really around to see! First time she's done that!

I'm going to the big latch on in Wgtn, who else is attending one somewhere in NZ?

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 7:24pm
I was feeding DS by the playground in the mall , he was ony a week old and some guy says "what the f%$k are you doing feeding that baby here '' I was so shocked I just said ''whaaaaaat'' (clever I know) and by then he'd buggared off. Ignorant sod had kids with him too.

I also had many many dirty looks when I was feeding dd when she was older ( fed till 18 mnths) mostly from older women.   I used to just glare back.

I feed anywhere whenever DS wants it and tough titty to anyone who's bothered


Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 7:48pm
I have registered a venue in little ol Waikanae Kapiti coast. not sure how many will turn up but my friend who is feeding will be there so i wont be a complete nigel and the cafe where it is, she has her son whos a couple of days older than my boy there, hes there all day with her while she works and she feeds him in the cafe etc.....so a perfect place thats not only set up with toys but is also very breastfeeding friendly


Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 8:13pm

I was in Waikanae yesterday Chickielou and heard it being advertised on the radio, good on you!!

 

I'll be at the Palmy one, am trying to convince my coffee group to join me, but looks like I'll be going it solo at this stage.



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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 8:20pm
Aww well done Lou on setting one up!!

I'm going to the one in Wgtn City Chambers, should be a good turn out I think... I'll even be in their sideshow apparently!

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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 9:04pm
I actually don't believe in Latch ons...yes I will feed my baby any where & every where. Yes I'm discrete when I do it but I don't like the idea of going and feeding where the opinion is a bunch of hippy women flopping their huge boobs out to make a point. (Some posters last year where rather explicit IMO)

The point is we shouldn't have to make a point. We shouldn't have to draw attention to it. It should be just a normal part of life.

Also if we want to do a latch on...why do it in tucked away places. Get out there amongst the public otherwise they only see it on the news.

And no, no one has dared make any comments to me about feeding my kids in public.

Sorry if people don't like my opinion, I am fully in support of breast feeding & am still feeding C. I refuse to be a breastfeeding nazi though & to me that is what this is all about.

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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 9:37pm

Originally posted by AandCsmum AandCsmum wrote:

I actually don't believe in Latch ons...yes I will feed my baby any where & every where. Yes I'm discrete when I do it but I don't like the idea of going and feeding where the opinion is a bunch of hippy women flopping their huge boobs out to make a point. (Some posters last year where rather explicit IMO)

Haha I remember those photos and thought you have got to be joking when they put the biggest hippy mother in Palmy on the front page of the local paper feeding her older children



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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 9:37pm
The publicity around the latch ons does tend to put me off, it all seems to focus on weird hippy women who think its perfectly ok to tandem bf their 3 and 4 year old. I find it kinda gross.

Can't say I'll be joining up next year. While I'm happy to BF anywhere and anytime my baby wants feeding, my breasts still belong to me and I wouldn't show them off to the general public any other time.

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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 9:42pm
Originally posted by mummy_becks mummy_becks wrote:

Originally posted by AandCsmum AandCsmum wrote:

I actually don't believe in Latch ons...yes I will feed my baby any where & every where. Yes I'm discrete when I do it but I don't like the idea of going and feeding where the opinion is a bunch of hippy women flopping their huge boobs out to make a point. (Some posters last year where rather explicit IMO)


Haha I remember those photos and thought you have got to be joking when they put the biggest hippy mother in Palmy on the front page of the local paper feeding her older children



It was those images that I was thinking of.

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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 9:48pm

I did the latch on with Josh (he was 5 months old I think), that year (2007) the photo after it was done in the Guardian was a woman feeding her 4 and 2 year olds (who had hippy names) and she admitted that the 4 year old could stop but she just couldn't break her heart to make her stop. All I was thinking was WTF a baby being fed would of been better for the paper.



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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 03 August 2010 at 10:21pm
Originally posted by AandCsmum AandCsmum wrote:


The point is we shouldn't have to make a point. We shouldn't have to draw attention to it. It should be just a normal part of life.


no we shouldnt have to , it should be a normal part of life....   BUT it isnt!

And the Big Latch On is held to commemorate the end of breastfeeding support week... its not an event held just to annoy or shock people.

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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 8:26am
I'm going to support BFing, I am in no way a hippy or anything! But I think it is nice that a bunch of women will get together to BF together! Hopefully it encourages more women to BF in public, rather than feeling like we need to be locked away.

I think it's good for it to have some attention, a lot of my friends who have kids have chosen not to BF simply because they don't really know much about it or are scared about what will happen to their boobs!

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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 9:02am
Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:



And the Big Latch On is held to commemorate the end of breastfeeding support week... its not an event held just to annoy or shock people.


Oh really i thought the whole point was to just shock and annoy people!!!!!!


Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 9:05am
Originally posted by Chickielou Chickielou wrote:

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:



And the Big Latch On is held to commemorate the end of breastfeeding support week... its not an event held just to annoy or shock people.


Oh really i thought the whole point was to just shock and annoy people!!!!!!


obviously from what some people have written there are those who do believe that is the only reason for it... i dont know wether you are in that camp or not - but there are people who genuinely are.

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Posted By: Rachael21
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 9:08am
I do find it quite interesting that this thread is about everyones shock and anger others not being supportive of breastfeeding yet some of you are doing the exact same thing at women breastfeeding older children. Breastfeeding is breastfeeding can we not support everyone who does it?


Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 9:14am
Originally posted by MamaT MamaT wrote:

I was in Waikanae yesterday Chickielou and heard it being advertised on the radio, good on you!!


 


I'll be at the Palmy one, am trying to convince my coffee group to join me, but looks like I'll be going it solo at this stage.



Shame you werent gonna be down my way mamaT....Oh and yay for it being advertised, hope that means theres gonna be more than just me and my friend. I havent really done much advertising, I just asked the local community radio to put in community notices


Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 9:27am
chickielou have you got added to the website with all the other venues?    cant remember the site... it is posted by nicellis somewhere...

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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 9:50am
In the meet up section!

Good call Rach and Jack! Bfing older kids may not be everyones cuppa tea so to speak but they are BFing none the less and deserve support too

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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 10:25am
I wouldn't want to breast feed my kids when they are older , MY personal choice ,which I am entitled to , but I would never judge someone for doing so ...as long as mum AND child are still happy to continue , then long may they enjoy it .

I get what AandC is saying , she ISN'T saying that breastfeeding mums are all hippies , so people getting defensive because they breastfeed, don't need to , its pretty clear she doesn't mean it that way , and I tend to agree with both sides, I think the latch on is a nice way to round off Breastfeeding week , at the same time, I agree with AandC when she says it should just be a normal part of life .

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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 10:39am
It just seems at least here in Palmy that they're the ones that get all the publicity.
They could just as easily publish photos of a young mum feeding her new baby in the local paper, but no they put the hippy woman with 7 kids, who home schools and feeds her kids till they're 18!

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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 11:37am
To Quote myself
Originally posted by AandCsmum AandCsmum wrote:

I don't like the idea of going and feeding where the opinion is a bunch of hippy women flopping their huge boobs out to make a point. (Some posters last year where rather explicit IMO)

C&J is right. In Palmerston North there is a hippy spin on it.

Bizzy...I totally get that it's in support of breastfeeding week, I get that it's the culmination of the week. I get that it's not about shocking or annoying anyone, but it should be in the face of people not tucked away. Also...though until I re read this...I didn't quite marry the two so what does that say....if I don't' get it how many others out there don't as well??? Maybe I don't listen to the right stations or watch the right channels?

Chickielou...I think where you are doing it is great. You are doing it in public, you've had it advertised. Palmerston North is holding it at Level 2 Westside Chambers, 151 The Square. Honestly...Where on earth is that???? Where is the advertising. If I was down your way, I'd come along. Unfortunately I can't be. This to me is what it's about.

Originally posted by Lil_Nic9 Lil_Nic9 wrote:


I think it's good for it to have some attention, a lot of my friends who have kids have chosen not to BF simply because they don't really know much about it or are scared about what will happen to their boobs!

Exactly there need to be more emphasis on education. How can we educate people like your friends when the advertising (based on what I saw last year) puts even me off! Let alone some one who is in a much more image conscious stage of their life. Not saying that we aren't all image conscious, but some of us might be more resigned to stretchmarks & wrinkles.

Good point R&J, I don't' feed in public so much now days as I do worry more about where I'm sitting & what is on show because feeding a toddler is not as cool.

I think it would be far better as C&J has said to have a young mum feeding her baby, but also along side her an slightly older mum feeding her baby as well. Multi target audience. Not something so blatantly obvious! The pic of the lady that got approached in the Wgtn Library is a great picture...it's discrete but obvious what she's doing.

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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 12:04pm
I know she wasn't saying we're all hippies!

I haven't seen any of the advertising pictures really, just one with a bunch of mums feeding on the steps of a building.

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 1:27pm
Originally posted by caliandjack caliandjack wrote:

It just seems at least here in Palmy that they're the ones that get all the publicity.
They could just as easily publish photos of a young mum feeding her new baby in the local paper, but no they put the hippy woman with 7 kids, who home schools and feeds her kids till they're 18!


LOL but isnt that just typical of the media - have to take the extreme view!

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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 2:31pm
It is typical and it doesn't help women like me who want to bf and feel comfortable about it, and that's what I see, I don't relate to them on any level.

For me the whole point of the latch on is to show that women can bf in public without it being in your face and then people that have hang ups about it will see that it is normal and get over themselves.

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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 4:05pm
I would imagine the idea behind the more "in your face" pics are to "facilitate discussion" - unfortunately it tends to be nagative discussion, but they do get people talking about it and exploring ideas etc don't they?

Secondly unfortunately the media tends to always choose the "extreme" cases when it comes to breastfeeding and thats why it seems to be the hippys feeding their 12 years olds in the paper etc, however I will say that whenever I am asked to get a mother and baby feeding together for a newspaper article I ALWAYS always choose mums with older babies and preferentially toddlers because it is mine and other BF co - ordinators etc round the country's "personal soapbox" to "normalise" feeding "older" (man alot of quotations huh?) babies and sadly in this country an older baby is seen as over 6 months as the stats for feeding beyond that are very very low and the thought is that if more people are seen to feed beyond that stage then it normalises it.
CLear as mud? lol

And yep as others have said, the latch on is the "celebrate" the end of BF week. I've co ordinated 4 of these now and they are all (usually) very discreet. And we hold ours in our local "working mens club" lol

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Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by AandCsmum AandCsmum wrote:

To Quote myself
Originally posted by AandCsmum AandCsmum wrote:

I don't like the idea of going and feeding where the opinion is a bunch of hippy women flopping their huge boobs out to make a point. (Some posters last year where rather explicit IMO)

C&J is right. In Palmerston North there is a hippy spin on it.


I think Palmerston North has quite a strong La Leche League group and that's why it might be perceived as more "hippy" (extended breastfeeding etc)

I know that my friend is holding an event that would be smaller (and probably less hippy, if that's what you are after) at the Terrace End Playcentre
77 Ruamahanga Crescent
Palmerston North


For some reason it isn't on the website... I'll just add it now.

Hope that helps!


Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 4:21pm
I guess it just because you always hear "exclusively bf for the first 6 months" as to why people stop about then, my goal was 6 months but now I am aiming for 1-2 years. It's a big commitment imo.

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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 5:13pm
i think a big part of stopping bfeeding at six months is that lots of mums have to go back to work and expressing is a PITA


Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 5:38pm
I don't know the answer to this but why can't bf mums still part time breastfeed? I mean do the morning feed and then the night time feeds and then part time formula?
Or do lots of babies decide they don't want mummies milk when this happens?

I intend bf til DS decides he is ready to stop, I sure am not gonna say oh golly he is 12 months, time to wean, tho I don't want to bf til he is 3, I think by that time he will have had enough from me lol. I feel sad that lots of people are judged for feeding over this age, as LilNic says, it is a big committment and one that is made with the best interests of the baby/toddler so what is wrong with that.

And I agree with fattarts, everyone knows (or should, there is enough publicity about it) that babies should preferably be bf til 6 months, but because people seem to think it is 'weird' to bf over that, it needs to be normalised and how else can you do it than by making sure the older babies get photo coverage too?



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Posted By: palomino
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 5:59pm
I do that TaliP, he is only *meant* to get bf in the morning (mainly because im not a morning person!) and he has formula out of a sippy cup during the day. Some days when we are home together he will ask for more though, but if im not there then hes fine with formula. It works for us, no worries if we are out and about he is happy with his 'milky' - cup and when we are home he has 'booba' - breastmilk.


Posted By: nathansmummy
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 6:26pm
Originally posted by AandCsmum AandCsmum wrote:

I actually don't believe in Latch ons...yes I will feed my baby any where & every where. Yes I'm discrete when I do it but I don't like the idea of going and feeding where the opinion is a bunch of hippy women flopping their huge boobs out to make a point. (Some posters last year where rather explicit IMO)

The point is we shouldn't have to make a point. We shouldn't have to draw attention to it. It should be just a normal part of life.

Also if we want to do a latch on...why do it in tucked away places. Get out there amongst the public otherwise they only see it on the news.

And no, no one has dared make any comments to me about feeding my kids in public.

Sorry if people don't like my opinion, I am fully in support of breast feeding & am still feeding C. I refuse to be a breastfeeding nazi though & to me that is what this is all about.


I know where you are coming from. It would have been much better if there had been more public places wanting to sign up for it - such as cafes perhaps?

I think "Latch On" promotes breastfeeding as a good thing. NZ is very supportive of breastfeeding compared to places such as the States and even Australia so I have heard. I think these promotions really create awareness and breastfeeding in a positive light - challenging attitudes and that's a good thing.


Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by HUNTD HUNTD wrote:

I do that TaliP, he is only *meant* to get bf in the morning (mainly because im not a morning person!) and he has formula out of a sippy cup during the day. Some days when we are home together he will ask for more though, but if im not there then hes fine with formula. It works for us, no worries if we are out and about he is happy with his 'milky' - cup and when we are home he has 'booba' - breastmilk.


Okay, so it is possible? That's really cool    and I guess babies just adapt huh...

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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

I would imagine the idea behind the more "in your face" pics are to "facilitate discussion" - unfortunately it tends to be nagative discussion, but they do get people talking about it and exploring ideas etc don't they?

Secondly unfortunately the media tends to always choose the "extreme" cases when it comes to breastfeeding and thats why it seems to be the hippys feeding their 12 years olds in the paper etc, however I will say that whenever I am asked to get a mother and baby feeding together for a newspaper article I ALWAYS always choose mums with older babies and preferentially toddlers because it is mine and other BF co - ordinators etc round the country's "personal soapbox" to "normalise" feeding "older" (man alot of quotations huh?) babies and sadly in this country an older baby is seen as over 6 months as the stats for feeding beyond that are very very low and the thought is that if more people are seen to feed beyond that stage then it normalises it.
CLear as mud? lol


You know...thinking of that poster, I can't remember the age of the baby/children except they were twins but it's more the woman in the poster & how exposed she was that has stuck in my mind!

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Posted By: palomino
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 7:14pm
babies and boobies are adaptable! Well i guess to a point, my boy was stubborn and there was no way he would take a bottle so that kind of made my decision for me to bf for the first months, now its just habit!


Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 7:15pm
Maybe it would be better in Summer, I for one don't really want to BF outside in Winter unless I absolutely have to! (The BLO I mean!)

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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 7:19pm
Originally posted by TaliP TaliP wrote:

Originally posted by HUNTD HUNTD wrote:

I do that TaliP, he is only *meant* to get bf in the morning (mainly because im not a morning person!) and he has formula out of a sippy cup during the day. Some days when we are home together he will ask for more though, but if im not there then hes fine with formula. It works for us, no worries if we are out and about he is happy with his 'milky' - cup and when we are home he has 'booba' - breastmilk.


Okay, so it is possible? That's really cool    and I guess babies just adapt huh...


I "dual" feed A until 16 months. As Lizzle said it ended up too hard & draining on me to express enough (i suck at it) for during the day. So I dual feed her from probably around 8 months through to 16/17 months. She got boobie morning Arvo & evening & formula during the day at her carers. I can't recall how we stopped.

C up til recently was predominantly booby much to his detriment. As of today & he hasn't realised it we are down to one feed. For his health it's the best option. Otherwise I was quite happy to feed til when ever.

C switches between sweet b/m & revolving neocate so they can learn to switch.


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Posted By: Kazper
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 7:55pm
When Leah started to refuse to bf Tali there was still certain times of the day where she was happy to so I did a combination of both for months until she finally decided no booby at all.

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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 9:49pm
Originally posted by AandCsmum AandCsmum wrote:

Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

I would imagine the idea behind the more "in your face" pics are to "facilitate discussion" - unfortunately it tends to be nagative discussion, but they do get people talking about it and exploring ideas etc don't they?

Secondly unfortunately the media tends to always choose the "extreme" cases when it comes to breastfeeding and thats why it seems to be the hippys feeding their 12 years olds in the paper etc, however I will say that whenever I am asked to get a mother and baby feeding together for a newspaper article I ALWAYS always choose mums with older babies and preferentially toddlers because it is mine and other BF co - ordinators etc round the country's "personal soapbox" to "normalise" feeding "older" (man alot of quotations huh?) babies and sadly in this country an older baby is seen as over 6 months as the stats for feeding beyond that are very very low and the thought is that if more people are seen to feed beyond that stage then it normalises it.
CLear as mud? lol


You know...thinking of that poster, I can't remember the age of the baby/children except they were twins but it's more the woman in the poster & how exposed she was that has stuck in my mind!


See! thats the point!!! You remember it!!! not in a good way, but you do, haha!

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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 9:53pm
And yep, cafes etc would be nice, but you need to get the "permission" if the owner and the whole thing is a bit "time consuming" so imagine how happy mr small cafe man would be with 20 mums with babys, strollers, paraphenalia and often other kids in tow to take up most of the small space for an hour or so? The spend may not be worth the "publicity" IYGWIM? Im he past we haev held it at plunket rooms (3 times) then last year I decided to ake the leap and see if our fancy working mens club (who are keen to appeal to a younger market, lol) would host us and they were happy to, and delighted to be asked again this year! Anyone can "register" a venue, it can be at a home or whereever, but if at a cafe etc, it might pay to ask! If the venues in your area are too "hippy" then do one of your own! Its very easy!

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Posted By: nathansmummy
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 10:23pm
I just thought I would post a link of some of the posters so people can comment if they haven't seen them (I hadn't):

http://www.womens-health.org.nz/index.php?page=resources - Click Here


Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 11:01pm
Originally posted by TaliP TaliP wrote:

Originally posted by HUNTD HUNTD wrote:

I do that TaliP, he is only *meant* to get bf in the morning (mainly because im not a morning person!) and he has formula out of a sippy cup during the day. Some days when we are home together he will ask for more though, but if im not there then hes fine with formula. It works for us, no worries if we are out and about he is happy with his 'milky' - cup and when we are home he has 'booba' - breastmilk.


Okay, so it is possible? That's really cool    and I guess babies just adapt huh...


Theres absolutey no reason you cant and I think its sad that a combo hasnt been made more acceptable by breastfeeding advocates cos it may mean that babies get bf longer than 6months

I do a combo, since hes now on solids so isnt exclusively bf anymore having the odd formula if Im at work or out isnt any different than having a new solid.......if that makes sense. I never gave formula until after 6months though


Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 04 August 2010 at 11:41pm
We just held our latch on at the local hospital.


Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 05 August 2010 at 2:15am
Yeah is is dumbo to not push for combo bf/formula feeding if it would suit the mums at work...that would extend the bf out quite a bit for a lot of babies i reckon.

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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 05 August 2010 at 2:22am
I think it is a nice poster but then all I am really looking at is the cute little hands of the babies holding onto their mum. I think they look beautiful actually and it makes me want to feed my DS just for the closeness of it so while it might not be something some people like, it sure works on me!

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Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 05 August 2010 at 11:14am
Originally posted by nathansmummy nathansmummy wrote:

   But I can't help but feel uncomfortable because I know others are, eg. my relatives there's another mother who never feeds in public, and an American who I'm assuming is not used to it seeing as they are so weird about it over there.


haha! I had to laugh at this cause I"m American and it's so true. I found it so odd when I went home (I was 5 months pregnant at the time) and my SIL went into a private room to breastfeed their 5 month old. When our family came over to visit when Ryan was 4 months old I just fed him wherever I was so I didn't miss out on the conversation. If I'm ever in doubt around someone I'll just say something like "Do you mind if I feed Ryan?" Even if someone DOES have a problem with it, they almost can't say no to that question and then they are stuck! LOL

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Posted By: nathansmummy
Date Posted: 05 August 2010 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by mollycat mollycat wrote:

Originally posted by nathansmummy nathansmummy wrote:

   But I can't help but feel uncomfortable because I know others are, eg. my relatives there's another mother who never feeds in public, and an American who I'm assuming is not used to it seeing as they are so weird about it over there.


haha! I had to laugh at this cause I"m American and it's so true. I found it so odd when I went home (I was 5 months pregnant at the time) and my SIL went into a private room to breastfeed their 5 month old. When our family came over to visit when Ryan was 4 months old I just fed him wherever I was so I didn't miss out on the conversation. If I'm ever in doubt around someone I'll just say something like "Do you mind if I feed Ryan?" Even if someone DOES have a problem with it, they almost can't say no to that question and then they are stuck! LOL


Yes, I asked the American guy the same question and fed DS but I still felt uncomfortable because I know he was...

They just can't handle boobs for some reason... but it's ok if they are hanging out of a low-cut top!



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