Christening/baptising
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Topic: Christening/baptising
Posted By: mamanee
Subject: Christening/baptising
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 12:25am
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Dan has suggested that we get Jamie baptised, but Sam isn't baptised and I don't want to have one baptised and not the other.
Plus, it's not something I would like to do. I'm not against it, but I'm not religious and I don't feel like I need or want my children to be baptised. I wasn't baptised and neither was Dan, but he has brought it up a few times, saying that even if it wasn't necessary, then it wouldn't hurt. I'm very stubborn and I don't really give in, but there isn't really a compromise available here, we either do it or not do it and I don't want to. Should I just fob him off? I don't really have any worthwhile reasons why I don't want Jamie to be baptised, I just don't. |
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Posted By: tishy
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 7:45am
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Personally I would only do it if you are committed to bringing Jamie up with the faith.
We chose not to baptise our kids as I'm not actively practicing and DH is anti-church ( not anti religion). |
Posted By: HuntersMama
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 7:54am
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I feel the same - we arent overly religious so it wouldnt be right to have DS christened. We are having a naming ceremony though - just a low key ceremony at home with close family. Could you do both your children together? A friend of mine has recently done this and it was nice. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 8:34am
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just tell him no. maybe suggest a naming ceremony or something if he wants to do something... or turn it around and ask him why! ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 9:01am
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I am the same as you, except we are going with it because it means a lot to his family, (even though only the grandma goes to church!!), my family aren't impressed as they think if we're going to do it, she should be Church of England like them and not Catholic... (Even though no one in my family is baptised either!)
Long story short, we're going to do it for schooling in the end... Hope that doesn't sound bad?! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 9:06am
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Stick to your guns - don't do it unless it means something.
We got Rowan baptised Catholic and Morgan will be too (one day when DH gets around to it  ) but I made DH promise that we would be taking the girls to church and raising them to understand the Catholic faith.
I'm not Catholic myself but I felt that we needed some commitment if we were going to do it. I don't mind if the girls choose not to follow the Catholic faith when they are older but I do want them to at least know it. -------------  
 
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Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 9:50am
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I think I would need a better reason than "it wouldn't hurt". That wouldn't be good enough for me.
I am an atheist myself, but will try to teach my kids about all sides of religion (hopefully I can do it in an unbiased way!) to help them make their own decisions. If when they are older, they decide to get baptised - that would be absolutely fine with me and I will support them whatever decisions they make. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: MrsH
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 9:52am
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We're not getting our children baptised. DH doesn't believe in God; and God and I aren't on talking terms at the moment.
Plus, like other posters have said - I think we should commit to raising them in said faith if they were to be baptised and I don't think we could. It's interesting that he is even thinking about baptism considering neither of you are baptised. Is he religious? If not (with all due respect), does he understand what baptism is about? ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 10:32am
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We got DS baptised in the Catholic church, I was not fussed but DH wanted to and it was important to him even tho he doesn't go to church so who was I to say no. It was important to him because even tho he doesn't go, he thinks of himself as a catholic boy...I will get him to take DS when he is old enough to understand.
IMO if one person wants to and the other isn't fussed then why not just do it?? ------------- 
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 11:46am
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Interesting topic I'm a non-practising catholic and Dh isn't religious at all. We aren't planning on having our children baptised as its up to them to decide if religion is for them.
However I friend of mine living in Akl who isn't religious, her husband is catholic and she's decided to get her girls baptised for educational reasons as some of the better schools are catholic. Which puts a different spin on things for me, if having our kids baptised means they can get a better education then I would probably consider it. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: kiwisj
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 12:09pm
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We have decided not to baptise C (or the new baby) for now as I'm CofE and DH is non-practising Catholic. He is anti-church also and we didn't get married in church for that reason. We do talk about religion in general and will continue to do so as our kids grow up as I want them to have an understanding of Christianity and other religions too.
We will probably reassess the baptism thing when we decide where we're going to live ... if we move to Australia it may be the pragmatic choice if we'd like the kids to go to Catholic school like DH did. mamanee, re your original question I would try and pin down your DP for a "real" reason why he wants to do it. I agree that it requires some commitment on the part of you guys to bring up your kids in the faith and also go to church (even if the reason is for school. If your kids go to Catholic school then they will need to attend church and so will you, at times). ------------- SJ Callum - Dec 2008 Daniel - Oct 2010 |
Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 1:42pm
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Yes that's a very good point kiwisj - If you baptise your children Catholic for the educational side then be prepared for them to have religious education as part of their studies.
Personally, and this is just IMO, the idea of baptising children just to gain access to schools irks me. And around here the public schools are just as good as the Catholic ones anyway.(and a hell of a lot cheaper!) -------------
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Posted By: ALittleLoopy
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 2:05pm
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jsut my two cents, me and my family arent religious but DH and his are (his parents go to church EVERY sunday lol...dh goes only on odd occasion, though he would like us to go as a family at easter and xmas next year)
anywa....we were always going to be christening (which is the same as a namaing ceremony really, its not overly religious) but have decided we will also baptise into the anglican faith it doesnt mean you have to go to church, it doesnt mean you have to send them to sunday school, just gives them a starting point as you cant force someone to believe in something...i think it gives them a foundation for belief and morals etc and a second family if you do belong to a church that is.... we are doing it for this reason...but thats just our lil unit good luck with the decision -------------    CHEM 6/12+ |
Posted By: tishy
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 2:45pm
I think this too. I find it very hypocritical when parents stand before God and promise to bring their kids up as Catholics ( or any other religion) while in reality they're only interested in the schooling. Not good role modelling IMHO. |
Bobbie wrote:Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 4:10pm
Lol, I hope like heck that my DH is not planning to send our kids to Catholic school...I might have to check this out with him! I wouldn't send our kids to the catholic school where we live now that is for sure...just goes to show they are not always better!! -------------
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 5:03pm
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I don't have any issues (obviously) about sending our children to Catholic school if that's the best educational option for them. There are plenty of non-catholics doing exactly the same thing.
However when it comes to things like First Holy Communion etc, that's something for them to choose for themselves, its not something I would make them do simply cause I wanted it. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Whateversville
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 5:13pm
Heres my 2cents 
I'm a christian and go to church every sunday BUT not baptising Tyler as Baptisim is something you do when you give your life to God. So I'm leaving it until Tyler makes the decision himself. He will however be Dedicated to God at church when I get around to it. Purely my opinion tho! As far as I knew (from Catholic friends) your child can be accepted into Catholic school IF they have practising Catholic family eg Grandparents..Even Christian kids can go o Catholic schools. Catholic baptised kids get first dibs in the school of course. Plus the Catholic high schools here take on a certain amount of non religeous kids each year.. Ramble ramble ramble lol None of its usefull but ohwell! |
Posted By: MummyFreckle
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 8:49pm
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This really annoys me too Bobbie - I find it really hypocritical of people who are not religious in any sort of way that suddenly get their kids babtised at age 4 to get them into the local catholic school. I also dont think its cool to send your kids off to school each day to be actively taught about god and religion if you arent living those same things at home (IYKWIM). ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 8:21am
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We had Clodagh christianed because it ws important to DF who is a (fairly non practising) Catholic. I certainly didn't do it to access Catholic schools in fact I will be actively avoiding them as I'd like her to go to Montesorri lol. However DF goes to church *sometimes* and it was extremely important to him, all his children are baptised so Clodagh will be raised knowing God but hopefully in a rather more well rounded way than just ebing presented with Catholicism (sorry not trying to offend- I major in Religious Studies so would like her to be aware and respectful of ALL religions). I was initially extremely against getting her baptised but then after many discussions realised how important it was to DF so we compromised on something that is as important to me...that she gets raised vegetarian. It's a personal desicion that only you and your family unit can make. Oh- and while Clodagh was baptised in a small country Catholic church adn by a Catholic priest, I was hugely- and pleasantly- suprised by how extremely non-denominational the service was! I don't think the Catholic faith was mentioned even once, it was so non-religious it could have been a naming ceremony! -------------   http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 8:34am
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We will be getting Isla christened at some stage as it is important to DF and his family. He doesn't go to church anymore but does believe in God etc. We would also like Isla to attend a catholic primary school (she can decide if she wants to go to public or catholic high school tho).
Altho I don't believe in God, I do think it is important for Isla to learn about religion so she can make her own mind up. I was bought up in a very anti-religious household but in a way I kind of wish I had been told about 'both sides of the story' iykwim. My sister got her 2 kids Baptised in November last year (they were aged 4 and 6!!) and DF and I became their Godparents. It was the first time I'd ever attended church (except for funerals!). It was very low key and no where near as religious as I expected it to be. I was pleasantly surprised. As Godparents, we have been asked to attend church on the odd occasion. We haven't been back yet but when Isla is a bit older I'll be happy to attend with my sister and her kids. -------------  
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 9:57am
Interestingly this is exactly what my parents did, we never had religion at home - even though both my parents are catholic - Dad never went to church and we'd mostly only go as a family at Christmas time. There seemed to be a lot of guilt associated with the catholic church which is one thing I'm hoping to avoid. I don't have a problem with my children learning about Jesus and christian values - sharing and careing for others - I also get the idea that schooling in Akl is very competitive with some of the catholic schools offering a great educational experience. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 11:19am
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We have just sent Jake to a Catholic school because it is quite simply the best education offered. Also faith based education means your children are being taught in an environment that might be similar at home - IE values and morals and thinking of others, tolerence of difference and forgiveness. Nothing wrong with that, lots of kids would benefit from bit more of this!
Personally I think the "guilt" thing is a hangover of days gone by with the Church, or somthing that non Catholics think (from the old church) I am currently inthe process of "changing" form an Anglican to a Catholic so that I can attend the church and have a better knowledge of what the Kids are learning at school. You don't have to do this to go to our school, however I would like my connection to the school and parish be a bit more cemented that just paying fees! Niether of my Chidren is baptised as my husband isn't keen, however, this will be changing! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 11:33am
Thats true here, you have to either be baptised or have an established connection to the Catholic church (IE you (mum/dad) or grandparents) to guide you on your spiritual journey. all state integrated schools of special character (this includes Catholic schools) must take 5%,. however these places are hotly contested and waiting lists are long! I also think its a bit stink to baptise soley for the purpose of getting kids into schools. I'm going thorough the "change over" becasue I want to be actively involved with our lovely parish and its community. My Mum is a Catholic however my Dad was dead set against the church so she was unable to get married in the church nor bring us up in the church, whichis sad (then I get married to a man who thinks the same, lol) ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 11:50am
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Even though we are baptising for the possibility of better schools, I've made it clear if she is baptised she will attend church with her great grandma! (Who absolutely loves the idea)
My grandparents totally hate the Catholic church, and always bring 'old' irrelevant stuff into the discussion. DP doesn't want dd to be baptised CofE, but in the end it's DPs daughter so he gets a say in the matter not my grandparents. tbh imo, people who have 'faith' or believe in something always seem happier, especially in the rough patches we go through in life... ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: minik8e
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 12:00pm
| I am not baptised, nor is DH. However, I went to a Catholic primary and secondary school, and want A&J to attend the same schools - primarily because of the standard of education. Also because I loved my primary school, I have very fond memories, and it is one of the top schools in NP - it is known as "the happy school". DH, on the other hand, wants the girls to have nothing to do with anything religious based, and is happy to send the girls to any school that's close, regardless of the quality of education. *sigh* Education is a difficult one. |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 12:09pm
Yep sure is. Took me right up until about 2 months ago to "get my way" in regards to schooling. Education is the key to life, especailyl nowdays when the job market is so tight and will be i the future with so many people going on to tertiary study now, it pays to be right up there or be stuck at minimum wage for ever. Sucky. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 12:25pm
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Both of my children have been christened. This is was a completely non denominational ceremony although it was done in a Pres. church. My DH is also anti church but he has no problems with religious instruction at school & that she goes to sunday school with her Grandparents. Now that our minister has changed I might look at going back.
If neither of you attend church or your parents or grandparents it would be a bit odd to turn up to a church & say I want my child christened. You would need to show some sort of connection IMO (ie attending their music groups/palygroups even). If you had a naming ceremony at home you could honour God in your speeches & select god parents whom part of their job would be to teach religion. ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: minik8e
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 12:41pm
I totally agree. DH and I are at different ends of the spectrum - I have always been quite bright, I suppose, and needed a lot more challenging with regards to the school work, whereas DH has learning difficulties. Therefore, he believes that the schools that he went to are perfectly fine, and doesn't understand that they don't cater to people who don't have those difficulties quite as well (I went to the same school as DH for a wee while). |
Posted By: minik8e
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 12:44pm
| I agree that it would be totally weird to turn up to a church that you've had nothing really to do with, especially when you have no history of religious leanings, and ask for your child to be baptised/christened. I also think that it is such a personal thing - my parents said that they would leave it up to us when we were older. I thought about it seriously for a while when I was younger, but elected not to. |
Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 12:58pm
| I am a non-practicing Catholic who was sent to Catholic schools and I thought the whole religious education was a complete waste of time. In 6th form RE was compulsory which is absolutely ridiculous as I could have been taught something meaningful like Chemistry. I had no interest in the bible whatsoever and it was the one subject I failed as I just considered it a waste of time. Plus all of the time spent in chapel and organising prayers etc etc in my opinion would have been better spent learning! I loved it at the time because it meant getting out of class. For these reasons I would never send my child to a Catholic school and have all of that rammed down their throat. |
Posted By: _H_
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 1:04pm
| I want my kids to be christened. i dont currently go to church but i did when i was younger with my nana. i think it is important for kids to have a link to god but they can make their own minds up about it later in life. DP isnt keen on the idea but im sure that he will come round to the idea (and i dont care if his family dont like the idea we would be doing it for our children and no one else) |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 1:08pm
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If you don't believe in God and want Him to be a part of your childs life then don't christen them. It should mean something. Why commit your child to something/someone when you have no belief and no desire to make that something/someone a major part of your life??! I never got the opportunity to dedicate Jake as a baby but we'll be dedicating both our boys later this year at the church we attend. We made that decision because God is a major part of our lifes and we'll be bringing the kids up the same.
Just to be abit pedantic - the catholic church christens their children. Baptism isn't catholic, its generally more of a pentecostal movement. Christening your children is a form of dedicating them to Christ while baptism is a conscious decision made by an older child/adult when they decide to commit their lives to Christ. Theres quite a big difference between the two. AND since I'm on a roll - believing in God has very little if anything to do with religion. Religion is about rules, regulations and quite often unbiblicallly based ideas  sorry but when God gets wrapped up in religion it drives me nuts!-------------   
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 1:16pm
Sooo agreed! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: rachelsea
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 1:21pm
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We got Chelsea baptised in the Catholic Church for the same reason as a lot of you - it was important to DH's family. I'm not religious at all (although my parents sent me to a Presbytarian Church at age 10 to get me into a Presbytarian School at age 11 ) but I was happy to get her baptised. However, I don't want her to be brought up a strict Catholic like DH was as he has quite a few issues with guilt etc now and I don't want that for Chelsea. I'm happy for her to attend with DH and I at Easter and Christmas etc, and DH does like to take her some Sundays while I'm having a sleep in! And as for schools, I have no idea which one she'll be attending! DH went to a public school and I think he's keen for her to as well, but we'll see!
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That's interesting... When I menioned the word "Christening" in front of my MIL she snapped that "The word is BAPTISM, not Christening"! That's why I call it baptism now lol. ------------- DD 4yrs DS 2yrs http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 1:46pm
When we got the book from the Catholic church about it, the word used was Baptism! It actually said in the book that baptism and christening are the same thing but that they tend to use the word Baptism! -------------
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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 1:51pm
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 2:12pm
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Yes Baptism was what it was called in all the information in the Catholic chuch's pack we were given.
Baptising your kids with no intention of bringing them up to know god (note I say to know, not necessarily believe in because that is a personal thing which is confirmed later through confirmation) is to me akin to getting married while having a lover waiting in the wings. Baptism, like marriage is a commitment and it's just not on to stand there and undertake a promise you have no intention of keeping. fattarts that's interesting that you are converting. How are you finding that? I wonder sometimes if I should as well. I am not baptised Catholic so I can't take communion when I go to church with my DH and the kids. Doesn't bother me but I wonder what the kids will think later.... I should go on the record to say that currently we don't attend church on a regular basis. Only because the church around here is packed to standing room only and there's no where to take the kids when they go nuts. Last few times we tried we got some evil looks So we're in the process of finding a new one. However I don't personally think that church every week is a necessity (though I know others do).-------------
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 3:04pm
Ditto - I was baptised as a baby not Christened. I had my 1st holy communion when I was 7 and my confirmation when I was 14 as these are part of the sacrements you receive as part of the Catholic church. Christening is what the Anglican church does this is quite separate from the Catholic Church. Gosh being protestant is almost as bad a sin as not being Catholic at all. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 3:57pm
Heehee that reminds me of a scene in a movie I saw years ago (Last Eskimo?)where a nun was smacking this boy screaming 'Protestant! Protestant!' at him like it was the worst thing in the world. -------------
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Posted By: MummyFreckle
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 5:37pm
I have to stick my neck out here and say that just by sending your kids to a religious school (catholic or otherwise) doesnt mean that your kids are going to have better "values" than a child that goes to a state school. Values start at home, and I for one am not going to depend on teachers (regardless of the school) to teach my child the values that we live by in this family. State schools will teach a similar set of principles to catholic schools without being based in a religious context, and without the guilt / concept of hellfire and damnation. I believe we should be teaching children tolerance and acceptance as they are growing up a world with LOTS of different types of people, and if we start teaching them at an early age that XX person is bad / wrong because they dont go to church or their mummy and daddy arent married, then arent we setting them up to struggle when they have to survive in a high school / university / workplace where everyone is different.
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Posted By: arohanui
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 5:47pm
Thankyou Babe, you wrote everything I wanted to say so I don't have to find the words now! TOTALLY agree with all of this.
Ditto to this too. ------------- Mama to DS1 (5 years), DS2 (3 years) and... http://alterna-tickers.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 08 June 2010 at 9:58pm
I have to stick my neck out here and say that just by sending your kids to a religious school (catholic or otherwise) doesnt mean that your kids are going to have better "values" than a child that goes to a state school. Values start at home, and I for one am not going to depend on teachers (regardless of the school) to teach my child the values that we live by in this family. State schools will teach a similar set of principles to catholic schools without being based in a religious context, and without the guilt / concept of hellfire and damnation. I believe we should be teaching children tolerance and acceptance as they are growing up a world with LOTS of different types of people, and if we start teaching them at an early age that XX person is bad / wrong because they dont go to church or their mummy and daddy arent married, then arent we setting them up to struggle when they have to survive in a high school / university / workplace where everyone is different. [/QUOTE] Ok, did you read the part in my post where I said "Also faith based education means your children are being taught in an environment that might be similar at home - IE values and morals and thinking of others, tolerence of difference and forgiveness" FAITH based, so based on the principles of my faith and beliefs, As far as I am aware, and believe me I reserched hard into the school I sent Jake to, no one is teaching anyone that people are bad or wrong if they don't believe/live to the chuches ways. If that was the case, no one would send their kids there, because that is fairly small minded, and its also fairly small minded to think that church schools teach this. Interestingly, almost half of the schools students are immigrants. ethnic, mostly from the islands but also many brazillians, somalians and many that come from single parent families and blended families there are probably more poor students than rich ones so a diverse range of families that go to our school, so the kids are exposed to a wide variety of different cultures, beliefs and lifestyles. I have been actively involved with the community within the Church/Pre school/School for a number of years now, so am fairly sure that our families aren't being set up for a big shock when they hit college (no Catholic college here). There are 2 private schools here that are fundamentalist schools, now I can't speak for them, but I imagine there is more of that kind of small minded education in regards to right and wrong there, but as I don't go to or belong to their churches or communites, I couldn't say. I don't think my children will be better behaved or any better than the kids who go to the schools round the corner, I sent them there because the education in a catholic school is simply the best, well, it is here anyway. ALL our year 8's go into year 9 at college in A band and continue on in that path, so that is something to aspire to I think.
Oh and FYI neither I, nor do any of the parents from the school that I know RELY on teachers to teach our kids morals/values etc, we do do all that in the home, but it is really reassuring that what is being taught at home is carried on at school in a similar manner. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 09 June 2010 at 1:06pm
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I'm with fattarts, the reason for maybe sending our kids to Catholic school is not for the religious aspect so much, but that they offer the best education.
Without organised religion they'd be no such thing as the concept of God - that's what religion is all about. Ask any atheist. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 09 June 2010 at 9:55pm
Oh ok I was christened (catholic) as a baby (my mum was hedging her bets ) and the catholics I've known have made a big thing of the difference so I just assumed it would be the same everywhere 
I wouldn't consider an atheist to be the go-to person since most of them don't even have a proper concept of what 'atheism' means...-------------
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Posted By: HoneybunsMa
Date Posted: 10 June 2010 at 12:15pm
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Ohh interesting topic.
I am not atheist, as I don't not believe that there is a higher power I don't have a religion however and never have. I'm fairly sure I would be considered agnostic? Atheism is the non believe of the existence of God. DP is however Christian, he was christianed as a baby and baptised at 13? I think he was forced to be baptised as his parents are Pastors  (yay sleeping with and having a child and living with the son of a Pastor lol) I don't want DD to be Christianed because I am not religious, DP doesn't either as he didn't like that as a child and young adult he was forced to go to church when his faith had waivered and part of the reason his faith had waivered was because he had been forced into it.
I told DP a long time ago before kids were even on the cards, that if our children do go to church and they felt like they no longer wanted to go then we weren't going to make them. We are thinking at this stage a naming ceremony but thats still undecided. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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