Nights
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Topic: Nights
Posted By: FionaS
Subject: Nights
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 1:55pm
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Could you take a look at the following and let me know if you think it is "normal" (ahem...dumb word I know):
Ashley does great in the day. Naps well, feeds well, is happy etc. She is impossible to burp though. I feed her 3 hourly (sometimes 2 if we are out and she is awake and asking). If I left her she'd nap 3 hours several times a day but I try to wake her after about 2 hours. Night time I feed her at 10.30ish, often 11. She then wakes at 1. I used to feed her then but then she'd wake at 3 and want to feed and then every hour after that from a sore tummy. So now I resettle at 1. It can take up to an hour but then she will usually go to 4am. I feed her at 4. Then she can take up to an hour to resettle and is then awake at 6.30 wanting to feed again. I'm tired with this pattern as I get less than 2 hours sleep in each block. In the night she farts like a mad thing and it seems to wake her up. I'm guessing it is all the wind that is trapped from the day. Do you think this amount of waking etc is "normal" at almost 8 weeks? She has silent reflux symptoms *(hiccups all the time, swallowing noises etc but is not upset with it - she is a content baby so I assume it isn't reflux although some say it might be). Do you think it is just a normal pattern for a baby this age? Wind?? ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 2:46pm
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if it were me i could stop waking her during the day now... in the beginning it is very helpful and i used to with toby or he would sleep all day and not feed. but after a while the patterns you make during the day start to affect the night time too. if you think a build up of wind is affecting her tho i think you need to find an effective way of getting it out... also if my baby took longer than 10/15 mins to resettle in the middle of the night i would just feed them.
do you change her nappy when she wakes in the night? ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 2:58pm
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I tried leaving her in the day but it doesn't help / hinder the nights. I'm just starting to try waking again so she doens't sleep longer than 2.5 hours in the day.
No, I don't tend to change her. The more she actually wakes the longer she takes to go to sleep. If I feed and put her straight back down she settles better. If I change her or re-wrap or anything it takes ages. When I say resettle - she isn't crying as such, just having farting episodes etc so needs a rock every 10 or so mins for up to an hour then she settles for a couple of hours. I think if she was really hungry (remembering at that time it is usually only 2 hours since her last feed) she wouldn't resettle for that long. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 3:12pm
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maybe shes come to rely on the rocking? what happens if you just leave her....?
eden has been the only one of my babies who hates having a wet bum... even when in disposables she hated it and would get quite upset until i changed her. might be something to look into. (and you could changing her before feeding her so you dont re wake her). ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 3:23pm
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I might try moving her into her room so I can't hear the squirming etc. I've been reluctant to as some nights she wakes and needs help 3 or 4 times (in addition to the 10pm and 6am wakings) so I stay in a more restful state if I can stay in bed and just stick my leg out and rock the bassinette. I guess it is worth a try. If I find I have to actually trapse across the hall many times a night I can always move her back.
I enjoy the nightfeed and am in no rush to get her sleeping right through but some improvement would be good for all of us. I really do feel zonked (anemia won't be helping though!) ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: MrsH
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 4:55pm
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That might be a good idea Fiona - We had Leonard in our room until recently and I (unwittingly) taught him to sleep through the night - I was too tired to feed him and when he would start to squirm and make a small bit of noise, I would get up and put a dummy in his mouth. The sucking would send him back off to sleep. After two or three nights of this, he slept through!! You might not want your daughter to sleep all the way through but you might want to just do that for the times you want her to go back to sleep. And it probably doesn't have to be the dummy, it could be whatever works to stop that 'stir' from becoming a full blown 'wake'.
Even now when he's napping in his cot in his room and it's not time to be awake, I try and get to him as quickly as possible so I can resettle that way. I think you can safely say that it's a wind build-up. You've probably tried The Baby Whisperer's burping technique I'm guessing which works for us. A friend of mine had her baby lying on her tummy over a wheat pack patting her bum which got the farts out. I think the heat relaxed her tummy. Perhaps you could give that a go..... Wish I could be more helpful in that area. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: MrsH
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 4:57pm
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Oh, and to answer your question about Normal... I have no idea what is/isn't normal. Babies are a riddle wrapped in an enigma. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 4:59pm
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Hey it could be silent reflux. it is really common for silent reflux to not bother the baby until about 12 weeks.
Maybe you could try some gripe water or infacol drops if you think it could be due to excess wind. ------------- 
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 5:20pm
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I use the dummy for resettles MrsH. Funnily enough, the times she keeps it in she will do a long stretch like 6 hours. Unfortunately she tends to spit it out / it falls out. She doesn't fall asleep with it, I only use it for resettles in the night. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: MrsH
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 5:32pm
Yeah, I take it out as soon as it looks like he has dropped back off and if he squirms again, put it back in. I'd rather he not get used to feeling it in his mouth through the whole sleep as I'm scare he'll start to rely on it (like I have  )------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Helen1
Date Posted: 29 September 2009 at 7:25pm
With my first daughter my GP said to only get up to her (especially for a feed) when she really asks for it. So that means to stay away from her until she really cries. All babies grizzle and grunt and moan in their sleep - one reason why DD#1 was and DD#2 are in their own rooms. 
Not sure if this will help but it meant at least one less time getting up in the night for #1 for us. Also meant that she learnt to resettle herself. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 7:57am
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Last night was a right royal disaster. I moved her into her bedroom. I was up to her 6 times between 10.30 and 7 and ended up doing 4 feeds in that time. As she was full blown crying before I knew she was awake each time she was impossible to resettle without a feed. So based on last night she took more feeds in the night than during the day.
The prob with her being in her own room and fully crying is that now I will have an OT toddler and husband too. I may be dizzy and near fainting most days but at least I can cope if my toddler is well rested - if she is OT too then it will be much worse! So weird! She is such an angel during the day. I don't get it. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: MrsH
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 8:28am
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Oh, I'm so sorry Fiona - Could she have her days and nights mixed up perhaps?
I'm not expert by any stretch but I'm thankful that Leonard has never had the day/nights mixed up but so that remains the same, during the day when it's time to be awake, I open the curtains and turn the radio on and then of course have awake time. During the nights, I don't/didn't even speak to him or make eye contact - it's all business. Could it be too quiet for her at night and the normal daytime noise is putting her to and keeping her asleep? I'd love to say that it must be something different in the night to the day which is preventing her from sleeping but..... she is a baby and babies have been known to not do anything by the book. Must still be that wind issue.... I guess I'm just thinking out loud..... ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 8:30am
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I managed to wind her quite well yesterday during the day and again at her dream feed. It is interesting how she will be ok up until her first night feed then always wakes again within 1.5 hours of that feed.....
Also, the longer her first stretch, the better the second. So for e.g. when she was doing 6 hours at the start, she'd then do 3 after that. If she does 3 or 4 at the start, it is 1 to 1.5 after that, ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 8:41am
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Could be silent reflux and shes gulping air giving her heaps of gas. You're BFing right? Have you tried drinking fennel tea? Jake never had a problem with wind with me drinking that. I also laid him down between sides, on his tummy, for 5 minutes and that never failed to bring up wind. You may have already tried that but just in case...
Hope you work it out hun lack of sleep on top of anaemia is shattering AND with a toddler my goodness!! -------------   
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 8:54am
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I was drinking fennel tea actually but it ran out and I haven't made it to a shop to get more. Must try to get there today.
Yes - can't complain in the scheme of things I know but I have very dizzy spells and almost faint a lot at the moment. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 9:42am
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fiona why are you fainting? are you nto eating enough?... maybe baby is hungrier at night cause you arent eating anything to keep it satisfied longer...? ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 9:48am
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Haha Bizzy - sorry, gotta laugh at that. I eat better than probably anyone you know! I seriously would put money on it. Just because I am slim doesn't mean I don't eat well! I eat more than my DH and that is saying something.
Typical day: Porridge for breakfast with almonds, dried fruit, seeds milk AND Toast with peanut butter AND Complan Morning Tea: Apple Nut bar Lunch: Either meat and salad sandwich OR bowl of rice with tuna, avocado etc. Yesterday was a huge bowl of pasta. Fruit as well. Loads of afternoon snacks. Dinner - meat and vege with either rice or potato - have more meat etc than DH. Supper - yoghurt with fruit & muesli & some biscuits or whatever baking I have around. Get the idea? I have low iron (stores almost ran out) and am not getting much sleep - hence the dizziness. My milk supply is great and Ashley is thriving. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 10:08am
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just because andrew doesnt eat much isn saying anything, hes more stick than you LOL!!!
i'm a bit worried about this fainting...? are you making sure you are drinking oj with dinner to help absorb that iron!? and - i know its hard - but are you getting a nap during the day when ashley is asleep and elle is at kindy? i remember setting my alarm to remind me to go pick the kid up from kindy. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: SMoody
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 11:09am
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Fiona a lot of what you describe I have had or or having with Andrew. We have a few times that he totally got almost day night confused. Only exception is that my monkey rarely sleeps over an hour during the day. He is a lot like his sister in the fact that he doesnt need much sleep.
He however goes 3 hours for the first sleep and then 2 hours and then up every hour. Farts a lot ect. Then we sometimes have 4 hours for the first sleep, 2 then every hour again. And sometimes 5 hours, then 2 then every hour. When we had him at the dr at 6 weeks he was diagnosed with silent reflux due to all the other stuff that was happening as well. Only way I get him to sleep longer at night is by burping him and then put him down and 10 minutes later I pick him up and he usually gives a huge burp and then I rock him until he goes down again. He sleeps better in our bed after his first long sleep and that is the way we get him to sleep longer for the second part now as well as I can position him a lot more upright than what I can in the cot. Some nights he spent the first part of the night in our bed as well and others in his cot. I put him down when I go brush my teeth and if he is fast asleep I leave him. If not I pick him up and bring him into bed. We use gripe water if he is extra hard to burp although lots of moms swear by infacol. Only thing I can say is that it does get better over time. I also watch what I eat. A lot of things we have noticed make him spit up a lot more and that night he will be extra fussy and you can hear him swallow the milk down as it comes up each time. We decided to go the non-medicated route with support from our GP but he did say there is stuff out there you can give them. So perhaps go to your GP and see what they can do for you as well. Perhaps for a week let her sleep when she wants and dont wake her up at all and note down the times she wakes up, for how long and how long she feeds during the day compare to night time. We did that and after that noticed a total pattern. He is sleeping a lot better at night since I feed him as soon as he wakes up during the day, burp then play and as soon as he shows he is getting tired I feed him again and then it is sleep. I know everyone is with the feed, play sleep routine but it is only when I started feeding him before a sleep that he goes a bit better at night due to getting more feeds during the day. He doesnt like his tummy getting too full so this way I double up on feeds during the day. Might be worth a try? ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 1:56pm
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No issues with day sleep here Shirena. She is a gem during the day - sleeps 2 hours each time, feeds great, plays well, is happy etc. She hardly cries.
Deb - Andrew's weight is genetics - he can't help it. We are not slim because we under eat. He has good man sized meals + 8 slices of bread a day etc etc. I quite honestly don't know another female who eats as much as I do - just ask any of my close friends. We spoke to the doc about silent reflux before her immunisations but they really don't think she has it. They are usually very quick to try losec if reflux is a possibility but in our case the only issue is the night waking. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 30 September 2009 at 2:26pm
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Oh yeah - and I do take the iron with some juice + the one I take as vit C in it. I've just started on it as I thought it might come up on it's own once Ashley was born. I've got a form to have a test done to monitor it - just have to get there.
As for naps, no I don't get any. By the time I get Elle to kindy and settled in, it is time to feed Ashley and then it is time get back to get Elle. I was hoping for some breaks during the kindy break but my PIL have gone overseas for the entire 2 weeks so no go there. Elle still needs a nap but won't take one. She has a rest on the couch with a DVD and I sit with her but can't nap as she is always asking me things etc. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: HippyMama
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 10:19am
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If you are still anemic but taking a supplement would you consider liquid iron that is more 'bioavailable' ie: more effectively absorbed, like Spatone or Floradix? ------------- Mama to two earth walkers & two angels. Remember, you are not managing an inconvenience; You are raising a human being. ~ Kittie Franz Next Slingbabies! Meet - Friday 4th May !! |
Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 12:00pm
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You should try molasses and milk. That is what I did when I had low iron during my pregnancy and it caused my iron levels to rocket!
It tastes good too. -------------
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 5:09pm
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Much better night last night so I'm pleased about that. Doc thinks the viral rash may have been the START of a virus not the end of one so she should return to the good night sleep again.
She is SO wonderful during the day - the sweetest thing - so gentle and happy so I think I'll just roll with the nights and concentrate on enjoying her. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 8:15pm
Well hope it works out hun I'm the same I eat really well but have super-thin blood which combined with not enough sleep has me dizzy and fainting heaps too  PITA ae?!
Could you set Elle up in her room with a dvd and tell her its ok if she doesn't sleep but its quiet time and get some sleep that way? She might take a few days to settle but it'd be alot better for your health to get that nap! Anyway GL -------------
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