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Topic: Another question....
Posted By: KiwiL
Subject: Another question....
Date Posted: 05 February 2009 at 9:17am
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I am full of them!
Jackson's bottle feeds always start off well in the morning, and get progressively worse. When I say worse, I am talking both amount and behaviour. By the time we have his 10pm feed he is arching and crying and will often only have a little bit. Which of course means he wakes a few hours later in the night. 
Is this typical for reflux baby? He was having his meds split into three doses a day, but I recently made it two. I think I will go back to the three, although the amount hasn't changed. I don't think it is wind, as he always gets good burps up, but maybe it is? He has Infacol before all his feeds. I'd really like to know why he gets so upset about feeding toward the end of the day? Perhaps it is related to his upset when going to sleep later in the day that I posted about too? |
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Posted By: Keoedy
Date Posted: 05 February 2009 at 9:56am
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It is typical for a reflux bub with our first we used to have to sit up for about 2hours after he fed holding him upright or he would scream and arch as well. Just keep on with the reflux med and if it is still not working go to the doc for a higher dose ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 05 February 2009 at 10:03am
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Sounds quite refluxy. Try going back to the 3 doses and see how you go.
Are you having any follow up with paeds? ------------- Mum to two wee boys |
Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 05 February 2009 at 10:21am
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Yeah, will see them on the 24th. He's already on a pretty high dose, but I think there is still some room to move upwards, seeing as he has put a bit of weight on recently.
Sometimes wonder where it all stops though!! There's only so many granules you can feed a wee boy! Am trying the three doses today. The hassle with that is that the last is given at 10pm, then you have to wait half an hour to feed. He hates that. |
Posted By: BeLoved
Date Posted: 05 February 2009 at 11:26am
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Hi
I have a reflux baby also. We are on losec and I give it to her once a day with 1/2 a teaspoon of pureed pear, we were trying to get it down on its own but she got so distressed. I try and wait as long as I can before feeding but sometimes I just have to feed her, as I have been told all the crying can just make things worse for a reflux baby. Are you giving the granules in anything or just dry? Also I ended up stopping the infacol as I wondered if that was upsetting her and I now just add it to the bottle of formula she has before bed after a BF and this seems to have made a big difference to her also (not having the infacol during the day) Sorry not much help, but I also wanted to say that I take my hat off to you! You are obviously going through a real ordeal with Jacksons feeding and you are doing the most amazing job. I think its great that you ask questions!!! ------------- http://alterna-tickers.com"> 
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Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 05 February 2009 at 1:26pm
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Thanks! I never thought that about the Infacol. Do some babies get upset by it? We're currently giving Infacol before every feed.
We give the omeprazole dry into the mouth, and then squirt a couple of mls of apples in there. He seems ok with that - he doesn't fuss really. Have tried mixing it and giving it on a spoon, but then he spits. Messy! Thing is, it's only become like this in the last few days. Obviously we're still new to bottle feeding, but he was always ok later in the day... well, at least no different later in the day. The only thing I can think that has changed was splitting the omep in 2 instead of 3. Hopefully going back helps. |
Posted By: bext1
Date Posted: 05 February 2009 at 11:16pm
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Just wanted to say good luck!!
both the boys had omaprezole, but they hated it, and kept spitting it out when it was with their milk or without! so if you can get ur lil man to take it, my hat is off to you!!  ------------- 
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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 06 February 2009 at 8:42am
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Infacol was terrible with my wee boy.
He screamed all the time after having it and was back to his normal self when I stopped it. Just something to be aware of I guess. Its like anything some babies just react differently to things. -------------  
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Posted By: busyissy
Date Posted: 06 February 2009 at 12:06pm
| I found the same thing as Peanut with the Infacol drops, Isobelle would scream for about and hour and there was no hope of getting her to feed once she had the drops. |
Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 06 February 2009 at 11:05pm
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Ok, we tried stopping Infacol, but hasn't seemed to help.
Jackson is seriously distressed for his evening feeds now. Lucky if we are getting 50ml into him. As soon as we move him to a feeding position he is arching out of our arms... we've got to hold him so tight as to not drop him. On Tuesday morning I am seeing my doc and I am, quite simply, going to go off my rocker if he doesn't get us seen by a paed next week. i don't care if I have to pay to go private (which I was assured was unnecessary). Jackson's behaviour is not normal, why won't anyone acknowledge this? I am so peeved..... I have been trying to get seen by a paed for more than 2 months now. I am ANGRY at the public health system, it disgusts me that a baby can be in almost constant pain and yet noone is prepared to apply any urgency. I am sick of being upset, my DH and I are both stressed and snapping at each other. It really sucks. Sorry for the rant. I just feel absolutely helpless. |
Posted By: BeLoved
Date Posted: 07 February 2009 at 7:07am
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Hugs to you Laurie!
I really hope your doc listens and gets you seen by a Paed ASAP!!! I would feel exactly the same as you do. I so hope that things get sorted and you get answers and solutions. Maybe you should record what Jackson does at his night time feeds so that you can show the doc and then the Paed, sometimes it takes black & white evidence to convince these people to take action! ------------- http://alterna-tickers.com">
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Posted By: McPloppy
Date Posted: 07 February 2009 at 7:26pm
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It would be helpful if you could see the paed later in the day so he/she can se what he is like...murphy's law though he will be a perfect angel.
Good luck Laurie, you are doing a great job at raising and doing what is best for your wee man. Just a thought, does J like his bath? Can you use the bath to keep him distracted for that half hour while waiting? I know it ment to be his dream feed but anything help huh? ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 07 February 2009 at 7:30pm
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Good idea about recording - I've resorted to that on occasion. Also, have you tried feeding him in the bath - I remember hearing something about babies being more relaxed in warm water.
I really hope you get seen ASAP - I'm amazed they didn't schedule followup v soon after the pH study. ------------- Mum to two wee boys |
Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 07 February 2009 at 7:35pm
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Just another thought - which I am sure you have tried - but have you tried feeding him while he is sitting upright? A friends wee boy was badly reflux and could only feed sitting up as opposed to slightly reclined. -------------
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Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 07 February 2009 at 10:26pm
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Yeah, have tried the upright thing. No luck.
I am convinced that there is soemthing going on with his gut. Undoubtedly he has reflux too, but with all the rumbling, straining, farting, tummy crunching along with the lack of obvious reflux symptoms between feeds.... well, it's just what I think. DH and I made a video of his feed last night. I was very upset! We are also keeping a food diary with the amounts he eats, as well as comments on his behaviour. Thanks for letting me vent!! |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 07 February 2009 at 11:01pm
Aww Laurie poor Jackson! I really hope your doctor will take you seriously and really push to get seen by a pead.
Have they done any tests for allergys? Like maybe he has a dairy allergy?? Or possibly cos its at night could it be collic? You have probbaly thought of all these so im not being very helpful! Gosh I feel for you guys, must be just so so stressful for you guys! ------------- |
Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 08 February 2009 at 11:37am
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Thanks for the hugs!
Yeah, we have thought of all of those things. We do so much thinking and theorising, but it's all just that... theories. Until we see someone and get tests done, we're just guessing. THAT is what makes it so frustrating and upsetting. Why is it us having to think all this - why is there noone in the medical profession doing this thinking for us? Oh well, it is what it is I guess. We switched to HA formula today. I don't think he has a dairy allergy, but he could well have an intolerance. The HA formula is supposed to be easier for babies to digest, without losing any nutritional value like soy etc. He's constipated on the AR formula, so we thought this might be the way to go. Easier digestion has got to be a good thing! Because it is not so thick, he has already had two feeds of 200ml today, without fussing, and only taking 15 minutes! Yesterday on the AR formula he drank just 600ml all day. We've had to switch to Karicare HA (as S-26 doesn't do HA) but I was pleased to see that, unlike the normal Karicare, there wasn't all the nasty bubbles that seem to cause the wind. In fact it looked way less bubbly than the S-26.
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Posted By: denny25
Date Posted: 08 February 2009 at 1:24pm
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Laurie, Ava tried Karicare (normal) and she got so constipated and upset, windy, etc on it! Also I've read S26 can be constipating. Of course it all depends on the baby. Ava is now on Heinz Nurture now and she loves it and no more constipation.
HUGS sounds like Jackson is doing better on the HA formula. I've got my fingers crossed for you!! BTW, some days Ava only drinks 600 mls as well and the most she has ever drunk is 800mls in a day even though the tin says something like 1000mls. It really depends on his current weight etc, as well as his age. His tummy is probably really little! |
Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 08 February 2009 at 1:25pm
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Hope the HA continues to go well - good drinking Jackson! I'm so pleased that those feeds have gone well.
I find it somewhat scary that if you weren't a motivated, concerned, active parent, your kid's health would potentially suffer. We had the exact same thing with Daniel - if I wasn't a 'paranoid' parent who had ignored Plunket, we wouldn't have him any more. That why I always encourage people to get it checked out (again and again) if they are concerned. Yep, lots of times it will be nothing, but better nothing and a red face than a very ill child. ------------- Mum to two wee boys |
Posted By: denny25
Date Posted: 08 February 2009 at 1:32pm
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Flissty - i agree 100% with you!!!
When we were going through a rough patch with Ava i felt 'bad' for going to the doctor so much and basically my doctor told me to stop being silly, and that a mum's instinct is almost always right etc. Laurie - if you have to scream at your GP, do it. He'll get the message then. |
Posted By: BeLoved
Date Posted: 08 February 2009 at 4:25pm
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Just something I noticed, once you have shaken the bottle, add the infacol, you will notice that it makes all the bubbles disappear and then when you shake after there are no bubbles. I always loosen the lid after shaking it the second time also just to release anymore air. ------------- http://alterna-tickers.com">
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