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Topic: immunisations
Posted By: lisa85
Subject: immunisations
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 8:29am
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Hi all,
Just wondering how many Parents out there are immunising their bubbas? We initially were dead against it. DH's Mum is a midwife and his family live the hippy lifestyle so are big believers in the all natural lifestyle. Unfortunatly I wasn't breastfeeding so she advised us we should do it because the girls weren't getting my immunities. Plus I had heard that there were things like the mumps going around Chch at the time which can cause retardation in babies due to the swelling in the brain. So we now get their jabs but are about a month behind. They are 7 months old and I'm taking them to get their 5month jabs today. I have to admit all that stuff about jabs causing autism still worries me a little. Am glad we put them off for a month as the girls were born at 37 weeks and I felt their were far too small at 6weeks to have all that gunk injected into their little systems  -------------  
TTC #3 since Jan 2010 - PCOS MC April 2010 |
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 8:32am
| We did but we did it out of schedule a bit too. I'm fine giving the imms that have been around for ages like mmr, hip hepb etc but am cautious on newer ones like menzb and whatever that other new one is. |
Posted By: concernedmum
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 8:36am
| i think delaying them is a good decision. Good point from your MIL about the breasfeeding being a factor |
Posted By: blondy
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 9:07am
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there was a thread on this recently (have bumped it up for you), so won't repeat my ideas....
but for me the biggest thing is that the diseases being immunised against are only at a low level in the community because the majority of the population is vaccinated. If the percentage of non-vaccinated people increases to a certain level, there is the risk that these somewhat 'rare' diseases can become much more prevalent. The link of MMR with autism has never been scientifically proven, but due to media hype (probably) the debate continues.... 
the best thing is to do your research, and then you can make a well-informed decision based on how you interperet the data. ETA: as a GP friend of mine pointed out, how would I feel if my baby were to succumb to a disease that was preventable? (and as MY GP pointed out, the main reason to get the vaccinations is so your baby is protected when you have to go to the doctors or hospital, where all the germy people are!)  -------------  
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Posted By: MissAngel
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 9:10am
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We got Thomas done - having so much chemicals pumped into him really sucks, and I hate the mood he's in afterwards, but i'd never forgive myself if something bad happened to him. ------------- Alex, Thomas and Lily http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Neeks
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 9:46am
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You all know that the immunizations help boost their immunity too eh?? Most of the jabs have the tiniest bit of infection so that their wee bodies can learn to fight it so when and if they get any of the bugs they're immunity is just that wee bit stronger so is able to fight it -------------  
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Posted By: .Mel
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 10:38am
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Cooper still hasn't had his 15mths jabs, I'm feeling a little unsure about these ones... I haven't done alot of research, just got the information from friends who skipped these ones....
Not sure what we will do about them just yet. ------------- Mr Mellow (16) Miss Attitude (8) Destructa Kid (3) 
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Posted By: lisa85
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 1:40pm
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Yeah my sister was saying to me this morning that her 2 year old still hasn't got her 15 month jabs but I think shes going to get it.
I'm probably going to give that one a miss but like you Mel still undecided. -------------
TTC #3 since Jan 2010 - PCOS MC April 2010 |
Posted By: Henna79
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 3:37pm
| we only had the traditional imms done. I certainly wouldn't have been having the menz vaccinations done and didn't get the Prevenar as I didn't really know what it was for as it's a newer one. Has anyone else done this? The nurse made me wonder today about why I hadn't done them as she gave me way more info about it. |
Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 5:03pm
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Prevenar has been used for years in Aussie. Emma (Maya) went to a press conference on it and got all the guff so she may respond at some point. I prefer it over MenZB as it has been fully researched and used for years. ------------- Mum to two wee boys |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 7:32pm
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yeah Prevenar is well proven..it's a topic I'm quite hot on and obviously everyone is entitled to personal opinion but for me it's immunisation all the way..so far I haven't come across anything linking autism with the MMR..Ethan had them all including MENZ as I couldn't deal with him not getting all the protection i could give him..so for us we are all for imms. There are several illnesses that are preventable almost totally by immunisation and others that are much less severe and for me it was important I gave that to Ethan. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: FreeSpirit
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 8:21pm
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Well I had our 5 month jabs today. I hate doing it and my girls had all her jabs a couple of weeks late (the important thing is not when they get them but how far apart they are!). I suffer a bit from really wanting to get up and hit the nurse as instinct says that she just hurt my baby - totally irrational I know but I get the urge every time. I've chosen to immunise because I feel that its my job to give my child the best chance against illness. With the 15month jabs, I reckon they're really important if your baby is a girl as rubella can affect fertility later in life. You have to decide what you want to protect your child against, and if you've got a really good GP you should be able to choose what immunisations you want your child to recieve. Don't let anybody else's opinion sway you, follow mothers instinct, and do what you think will benefit your child the most.
Severe negative reactions (causing hospitalisation) only affect 0.04% of children. |
Posted By: kiwigal
Date Posted: 07 January 2009 at 12:00am
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I am so 50/50 on it DD is 4 months old next week and has not received her jabs yet and probably won't. My son has very mild autism and it was right after his 15 months that we noticed his behaviour was way off than before he had the jabs. |
Posted By: Muzzie
Date Posted: 07 January 2009 at 10:11pm
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I had no problem with the imms until DS had a hypertonic reaction to his 3 month lot, it was standard imms we never did the meNZb.
It was very scary , and required him being rushed to middlemore in an ambulance unconcious. He came around fine without any damage to any of his body. We then were refered to the infectious disease dept at starship, where he was put on a delayed programme, and given the imms singluarly under the starship dept at the hospital. he has just turned 14 months and wont be having the hib at 15 months at all and MMR will be delayed until I have decided what I want to do. And if and when he has the MMR it will again be at starship hospital. We have a baby due in April 09 and that baby will not be getting the 6 week vaccines at 6 weeks they will be delayed, I wont be doing prevanar....and because of my sons reaction and my own hypersensitivity to drugs and vaccines, the imms will be separate. There is a good guide for delayed imms at Drsears.com, albeit that is a USA website all of our imms are on there. Also there is a lot of info at ias.org.nz I really does pay to be informed about what we put into our kids bodies, i wouldnt have blinked twice if our son was fine and dandy at 3 months. But there are other options out there like separating the imms into more vaccines so they arent getting so many strains pumped into them all at once. |
Posted By: blondy
Date Posted: 08 January 2009 at 8:07am
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^^ i totally agree with you Muzzie. I have often wondered why so many immunisations have been combined, when (especially with the 'main/standard' jab) the vaccine contains both viral and bacterial components - which typically activate 2 different sides of our immune systems. No wonder these babies have a chance of reacting to them when we are stimulating so much of their immune systems at once (the equivalent of having a viral infection as well as a bacterial infection at once).
I still think it is really important to have the immunisations done, and can see that they have combined them to reduce the number of injections for the babies, but i would think giving them separately would give our babies less stress! Fortunately Natalie didn't have a really bad reaction to them, but the information that they can be split up should be made more readily available. -------------
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Posted By: scribe
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 10:01pm
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I hate immunisations - we always have a really hard time for up to a week after them, and it seems to be getting worse with each lot. Thanks for the information above, I might see if I can get them split up next time (which is not for a while, fortunately). It is a shame it feels as if you either get them or you don't, it would be nice if we were offered options (as I have told the nurses about our bad experiences).
Having said that, we are lucky that parents in NZ are entitled to make up their own minds if they choose to vaccinate or not. My sister was saying that in Australia you don't receive a childcare subsidy (up to $140 pw) unless your child is fully vaccinated. So technically you do have a choice, but not if you cannot afford not to... |
Posted By: pomikiwi
Date Posted: 13 January 2009 at 8:58am
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DD has been fully immunised without any problems. It seems to be (not sure why?) boys that react to jabs mroe than girls!? Anyone else noticed this? So if this next bubs is a boy I may delay them, not really sure yet think I need to do some more research. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  
DD-Carys Amelia 17.03.06 |
Posted By: scribe
Date Posted: 13 January 2009 at 10:58am
| Could it be because boys tend to be more refluxy than girls? It's Clara's reflux that flares up after immunisations and makes her miserable. |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 13 January 2009 at 12:02pm
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i have a boy and he was fine...as were all the boys I know.. ? so maybe just coincidence.. ?:) ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: solitairediamond
Date Posted: 01 February 2009 at 7:46pm
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Hi, my daughter had a bit of a hard time when she was born- she was in the NICU or 5 days as she was having seizures. She had an MRI that showed there was a small area of her brain which was a bit damaged. She has a little bit of right sided weakness but no longer has any seizures and is developing very normally.
It is time for her immunisations but I'm struggling to make a decision on whether to give them all to her. I'm fairly happy with all of the components of the vaccine except for the pertussis part- it says possible complications include seizures among other things, and not to administer in children with an unstable neurological condition. I have asked my GP and a paediatrician about whether to give her all of the immunisations and they have said that I should... Has anyone had a child like mine and wondered about whether to give their child all of these immunisations? I'm just so scared about knowingly putting her at risk with these immunisations even though the risk is probably small. I feel that her brain has coped with enough!  But obviously it would be awful for her to get diseases that can be vacinated against.
Sorry for the rambling post! ------------- [IMG]http://lb2f.lilypie.com/9p2jp12.png [IMG] |
Posted By: JoJames
Date Posted: 02 February 2009 at 9:57am
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Hey i would talk again to your Paed and see if you can get them done while in hospital just in case. I completely understand how scary it would be to have to make that decision. I good idea would be to talk to your local immunisation coordinator, they work for the immune advisory centre and would probably be able to give you more time to listen to your worries and give advice and what you should do than yur GP or peadiatrician.
The website is www.immune.org.nz or you can call 0800 IMMUNE ------------- http://www.alterna-tickers.com"> 
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Posted By: busyissy
Date Posted: 02 February 2009 at 1:12pm
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Sorry, I didn't read all the replies but I was talking to a friend of mine about immunisations and the link to autism just the other day. She had watched a doco about it.
Apparently, autism is linked to heavy metals in a baby's boby/brain. They can recieve the heavy metals via mum while in the womb and other ways but the link with immunisations is that the manufacturers of the vaccines used to use mercury as a preservative in the vaccines. Go figure! They have known for decades it is toxic, so why would they do that, awful! Anyway, I would have a dicussion with your pead, gp or nurse about it. JoJames suggestion about the call centre is good too. We are immunising especially at the moment with a whooping cough epidemic looming. |