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Topic: Feotal Alcohol Syndrome
Posted By: Danaj
Subject: Feotal Alcohol Syndrome
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 5:22pm
Hiya,

Just wondering what the story is with this. I know what it does to the baby but what does it take to get there?

I've had the most amazing cravings for a glass of Merlot. I bought a bottle tonight and am slowly sipping on one standard size glass. I'll only have the one and the bottle will last me for at least a week (maybe a glass every second or third night). Is this too much? All up i've only had about 3 small glasses through out the whole pregnancy and the Doc said they odd glass is fine. I didn't have a drop for the first 12 weeks and only had a glass if we were out for dinner and one on my birthday.

So, am I harming the baby? I know one glass tonight wont hurt but just curious about what you can and can't have.


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Posted By: emachan
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 5:27pm
It's totally up to you!

I know my mum had the occassional wine (and DH's too) when she was pregnant with me and I've turned out ok.

Just don't drink to excess and be sensible.

I had my first full glass of wine the other night with DH and it was lovely!

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Posted By: kabe
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 5:40pm
I didn't drink any alcohol while pregnant. At certain times during the babies development, it's more vulnerable to the effects of alcohol, such as the first trimester and towards the end of the third trimester. I personally don't think it's worth the risk, but it's an individual choice.

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Posted By: mummytobesep08
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 5:41pm
i wouldn't. they have no information on when and how much you can ahve, hence they say just avoid it. I know you're craving it...I craved other things during pregnancy that are a no-no too (eg sushi, ham etc). Is it really worth it? Wouldn't you feel like a real...if it gave baby FAS?

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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 5:50pm
I didnt drink either....not a sip as I was tooo scared as too what it would do to baby. I guess when Docs say its ok, they dont even know how much is too much.....They say it affects the brain development so when it safe? I mean as far as I know baby is developing its brain thru out the pregnancy.

I guess like others I think its not worth it....I also crave beer at times and sushi....man I miss sushi! But I will hold back till after I give birth.

And a bottle for a whole week might be a little too much? Please dont take it wrong as I really dont know how much is too much!



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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 6:52pm
I also still craved a wine during pregnancy but didn't drink at all for the first of 12 weeks. After that I had half a glass of wine every 6 weeks. I use to mark it on the calendar and pour my half glass. The weird thing was once I had poured it and had about 3 sips I didn't want it any more. I think for me it was more the ritual. I also use to have a sip of DH's beer every now and then.

I personally wouldn't drink a whole glass at a time and wouldn't drink a bottle in a week but I think a glass every 3-6 weeks is sweet. But that is just my opinion and it really is a personal choice!

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Posted By: AuntieSarah
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:13pm
I've heard from a couple of midwives that around 10 weeks is the worst time, and after that is ok to have the odd glass. I've heard from other sources that no one knows what is safe, and from others still that say a few a week is fine! I can't seem to find a straight answer about what's ok and what's not!

I have one friend who has about 2-3 glasses of wine a week, another who had one glass a week ago and felt so guilty that she went home and cried about it, and another that wouldn't dream of touching any while pregnant. Everyone has different opinions about it! I can see myself having half a glass on special occasions maybe, to be honest I haven't had any real cravings for it so I haven't had to worry about it yet!



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Posted By: peachy
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:24pm
I think it is totally a personal choice.

I found out I was 3 weeks pregnant (totally unexpected) and during those 3 weeks I had my hens night, my wedding day and was on honeymoon, and as I had no idea I was pregnant at the time, of course I was drinking up a storm.

When I found out I was pregnant, I cried for days wondering what damage I had done to my unborn baby from the alcohol I had drunk. I felt terrible and very unresponsible, I felt I had failed my child already and it wasn't even born yet.

On the other hand, I have a friend that has 6 children and she has had a glass of wine every week with every single pregnancy, she feels that that is o.k and that is her choice. Her children are nearly teeagers now and have no signs of FAS.

Each to their own, but personally I wouldn't risk it, knowing how worried I was about the alcohol I had consumed while pregnant.

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Posted By: Lilypad
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:25pm
it really depends on your phisiology (Sp?) as to how much you can drink and what is safe. which is why there is no hard and fast set rule.

It is common knowledge that there is an amount that is unsafe but nobody knows what that is and it varies from person to person.

So... just take it slowly and listen to your body, if you start to feel a little bit dizzy , hot, tired or tipsy then stop!

Also it probably helps if you sip water in between the wine or have it with food.

My doctor said no more than 2 glasses per night which i feel is too much for me personally.


Posted By: Natalie_G
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:34pm
Both DH and my mother did have the odd glass of wine when pregnant with us, I suppose it is luck of the draw.

I havent had one drink and wont, like the others have said its a personal choice, there isnt a lot of information out there about the effects of alcohol, that will be why they say to avoid it all together.

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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:45pm
I didn't drink at all during my pregnancy. But I'm not a big drinker anyway.

After studying human development for this semester and reading some of the stuff on FAS there isn't any way I'd go near alcohol next time around either. There are stages during pregnancy where bubs is more vulnerable and if anything wasn't perfect when he/she was born I'd feel like crap.

But that's just MHO. Some docs say its fine, some don't.


Posted By: pepsi
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:49pm
Personally, I consider alcohol one of those things to avoid altogether, more so than the usual list of foods to avoid while pregnant. But that's just me.

I know we use the term "personal choice", but is it really a personal choice when the baby itself doesn't get to choose?


Posted By: tropics
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 7:53pm
its one of those personal choices and they really dont know how much is too much as they cant obviously do trials! my train of thought was that you know what it does to your liver and effects that you feel and that your liver has to process it and it crosses to the baby so its tiny liver has to cope with processing it too - put me off drinking and I love my wine!

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Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 8:40pm
I don't crave wine [I don't like any other alcohol except wine] but I don't have it when pg to be on the safe side and I definitely do miss it. What I have heard is that everyone has a different level of "ok" and no one knows for sure where the line is, so its best to avoid altogether for pg and bf. I have chosen not to have wine while pg because I can't tell if the baby is affected or not. Personally I think 1/2 glass every now and then would be fine but I haven't done that. However I do drink the odd wine when bf (9mos pg + 12mos bf was too long to abstain!!) but I figure I'll be able to see if there is an effect on baby [unsettled, overly sleepy, etc] once it's "outside". Even so, I've never been a big drinker and I limit it to a full glass with food per day.

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Posted By: Nefertiti
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 8:45pm
My mw told me that it can happen at any stage with any amount of alcohol. So basically it could happen with a glass or it could happen with a binge.

I'm really wanting some baileys...and esp since baileys has an expiry date which is before my EDD......but its not worth it!!

Personal choice really.. But why make that choice to drink for an innocent baby?

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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 8:59pm
I think some of the comments re..."making a choice for the baby" are a bit mean...I think most/all of us take into account our child when making a decision while pregnant!

We all just have different levels of what we are comfortable with usually based on our experiences, parents experiences, mw/dr's advice etc.

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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 9:03pm
I had nothing for the first 12 weeks and after that would spoil myself - we'd get a bottle and between the 2 of us drink it over 3 nights. This was maybe every 6 weeks. The big time for FAS is in the first trimester, but I also thought about the effect of ongoing exposure to low amounts of alcohol. I also had rules about having it with a meal and with lots of water.

Like everyone said, it's your choice. We don't know what damage it might do, if any. Some people drink regularly and have no problems, others drink little and have big problems.

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Posted By: Danaj
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 9:13pm
Guys, When I meant a bottle, I meant one of those small mini bottles, not a whole large one. I'm not sitting here guzzling a massive bucket of red wine. The glass i'm talking about is a small amount in the bottom of a wine glass.

And even if I had one normal glass, I think saying "It's not giving the baby a choice" is unfair as it's not like i'm putting a wine glass to the baby's mouth.

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear about the amounts I was referring to but I think a few of the comments that have come back are a bit unfair.

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Posted By: pepsi
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 9:34pm
Originally posted by Danaj Danaj wrote:

And even if I had one normal glass, I think saying "It's not giving the baby a choice" is unfair as it's not like i'm putting a wine glass to the baby's mouth.


I don't think anyone is trying to be harsh or to make you feel guilty....you asked for opinions and there are a variety of answers that's all. Like others have said, people have different levels of "ok".

With regards to your comment above..well, technically everything you consume is passed onto the baby. So we do actually make the choice for the baby whatever we decide to consume.


Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 9:34pm
this is all i have to say .....I hate wine, it gives me a headache .
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Posted By: DJ
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 9:37pm
You asked for opinions and you got them. I thought everyone had been remarkably restrained in their comments.

If you are feeling bad about having a wine then why bother?

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Posted By: mummytobesep08
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 9:43pm
i just don't see why you would? but thats all to do with what you think is ok.
It's different with things like giving up smoking. Going cold turkey can actually harm your baby, so most docs recommend to cut down slowly. But pretty much EVERYONE says to avoid alcohol, so I just don't know why you would. I've talked with a mum who drank and smoked through her whole pregnancy and baby was fine (except a little slow, but def not FAS)...
but then Ive talked to a mum who had one glass of wine her whole pregnancy and that was enough to give her baby FAS.

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Posted By: Danaj
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 9:51pm
I don't feel bad about having a wine.

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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 10:10pm
I for one thoughtr you meant a normal bottle of wine......hence mt comment abt drinking a bottle in a week.

And yah its upto you.....It is a very personal choice. '

I had a friend that didnt know she was pregnant until she was 21 weeks and she partied every week smoking and drinking and she has a beautiful and very smart 6 year old. So its hard to say really what level affects what baby.

Dont get upset Danaj re the comments because you did ask and some have strong feeling abt this and so they just voiced it, I dont think any one is judging you at all.

I am a paranoid mum and wont touch alcohol at all...I didnt even drink since DD was born because I was B/Feeding and felt that I didnt wanna pass it thru my milk...so its a very individual thing.

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Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 6:57am
don't feel bad about the comments hun..........but really, you had to know their would be some said about such a topic as drinking while pregnant...

i went to a friends 30th while i was pregnant with jack and said i'd have 1 glass of wine to celebrate with him. but on the night, i just didn't want one. so i didn't have a drop while i carried him

BUT.........i am a booze lover, it was the only thing i really missed while i was pregnant with charli.   i think i had maybe 3 glasses of wine while i was pregnant with her. it's a very personal choice and the only reason there is no 'safe amount guide' is because they just don't know how much is too much.



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Posted By: Danaj
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 7:10am
My original post may not have been clear about the quantities and I am cool with peoples opinion as it is a big topic. I would like to clarify though that all up through the pregnancy i've probably had a total of about 200ml - 250ml of wine. The one last night is still sitting on the bench with half of it left as I just had this terrible craving for it and it just wouldn't go away.

I am careful about what I have. I haven't even had panadol and I quit smoking too. I guess it just sounded like people were thinking I was sitting her boozing it up and that's just not the way it is. I picked a girl friend up from the pub a while ago and there was a heavily pregnant woman there with two vodka premixes in her hand and smoking a ciggy. I think the odd small glass is ok but that is way past the line in imho.

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Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 7:23am
i've just read through all the posts now and there's no nasty comments at all.

i think we probably got the wrong idea of how much you had drunk. when you said a bottle, i thought you meant a full 750ml (?) one.

IMHO about 4-5 glasses (1 at a time) of wine over the course of 9mths is fine.    but yes, that is just my humble opinion!

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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 7:27am
As I said in my post earlier, Dana, I had cravings for wine still and would pour my half glass - only to have 3 sips out of it and then not want it.

I think sometimes its also the craving to feel normal and the ritual of having a wine!

I missed curling up on the couch with a wine, and meeting the girls for a glass after work...once in a while you just want to feel normal and in control of the situation.

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Posted By: CuriousG
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 7:45am
I had 3 huge glasses of wine one night before I found out I was preggers at a 21st party. And I freaked out when I found out I was pregnant about those wines.

My doctor at the time said a glass once in a while was ok, just not to over do it.

I also had a glass at my wedding.

However, I would be less likely to drink with number 2, mainly cause it will be planned and I don't really drink much anyway anymore.

But its up to you. Your body, baby and choice and all that!

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Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 7:45am
I too have craved wine this pregnancy... and V as well! The number of times I have been convinced a V would solve all my problems!!!

I also think it's a personal thing, and a couple of sips is highly unlikely to have an affect. I say unlikely though, because noone really knows what is too much. I suspect it might all come down to the 'triggers' theory (the same theories that speculate why some people get cancer and others don't).

Having said that, I think the pressure should be on those who really lack regard for their safety and drink a lot of alcohol during their pregnancies.

In my own personal situation, having suffered a couple of miscarriages and a long road to having a successful pregnancy, I did make a conscious decison not to do ANYTHING that I could potentially end up regretting. And that included drinking any wine (or V!). I figure that 9 months isn't the end of the world, and it will just make it nicer at the end.

You'd probably be surprised by the number of people I have had really confused that I won't even have a sip of alcohol, and the advice I have had telling me that a little bit wouldn't hurt! For me, it's just been about doing everything I could to do what I thought has been the right thing.

I think it is hard to give your own opinions on a matter such as this, without the potential to sound judgemental, even if that is not the intention. And although I don't have a very strong opinion, I know that others do and there is the chance for some tempers to flare. At the end of the day, you've got to be comfortable with your own decisions.

Hmmm, I have tried hard to write this without bias, but I guess you either feel one way or the other - hopefully I haven't offended anyone, because it is not my intention to preach.


Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 7:58am
I didn't read your post as sitting back guzzling lots of wine. I hope my post didn't come across harsh at all


Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 11:08am

Originally posted by Danaj Danaj wrote:

I don't feel bad about having a wine.

 

I dont think you should (feel bad that is).  this is my theory...and I will probably be shot down for this.

 

A little wine with your dinner is not going to do any damage but because some people will interpret "a ltittle wine" differently and have a whole bottle in one sitting etc they have just done a blanket rule...no alcohol! 

I personally have no problem with having a glass every now and again....just make sure it is damn nice wine!  I havent had much this time (the odd sip of DHs) mainly because if I have one I will remember how yummy it is and want more.

 

With my first pregnancy I avoided it completely (after the first week we found out when we were in the Rhine...I sipped at the tastings and 1 glass of bubbly on my wedding night (39weeks preg)).  I also avoided caffeine.  This time round bubs is getting used to caffeine also.

 

be sensible...you dont see Europeans dropping their wine...maybe just cutting back but then again they dont binge.

 

Just my 2 cents.



Posted By: My3Sons
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 11:23am

Hiya Danaj,

I guess the problem is no one really knows the answer to your question!

Originally posted by Danaj Danaj wrote:


So, am I harming the baby? I know one glass tonight wont hurt but just curious about what you can and can't have.

If only there was a definite answer!!  For me personally it was just something I gave up for 9 months, not a big deal although I definelty craved at times (a rum and coke lol!!).  Its your body and your baby, but I think if you are concerned enough to ask then its probably not worth the risk IYKWIM?  I dont think anyone was implying that you were having big boozy benders!! 



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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 11:36am
and what does it say about me that i thought you meant a full bottle and didnt bat an eyelid???  Do you think thats what happens when you are married to a viticulturist?


Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 11:42am

Hey Dana, I was pregnant with Andrew and Josh at xmas and New Years. With Andrew was I was 20 odd weeks and Josh I was 28 odd weeks. Both times my MW told me it would be so ok to have a small glass of wine at xmas with lunch, as I had been saying how much I would love a wine. Both times I had poured the glass and took a couple of sips and that was it, the craving had gone.

I don't think you are bad, I know of a few people that have smoked heavily through their pregnancy and also drunk so their knew what they were doing and one of the children ended up being very sick as a newborn (spent a lot of time in NN) and they still didn't learn their lesson the second time around.

Don't feel bad, I think the odd dip is fine. I know a woman that also did the 6 week thing and after a few sips the wanting it had gone.

Your body does crazy thinks during pregnancy and wants crazy things and alcohol is bound to be one of them.



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Posted By: palomino
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 11:42am
All i know about this topic is MAN I WANT A PINA COLADA!!!

haha cravings so bad. But im going cold turkey so will just get me some pineapple juice instead.


Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 11:48am
Why don't you make a virgin pina colada?

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Posted By: palomino
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 12:03pm
haha yea have already done that last weekend.


Posted By: Suzieq
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 12:41pm
Hi

I have too been not craving but feeling left out at social functions so my lovely DH fills my wine glass up with L&P so it looks like wine ( I feel so special). I have had a few dissaproving looks from people that don't realise its soft drink, and think I am drinking bubbly, that gets to me!!! But each to their own!!!!!!

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Posted By: ShellandBella
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 12:52pm
I know, this post is making me want a wine

I crave it desperately and will definitely treat myself to a glass at Christmas.

I had a big bender before I found out I was preggers with Bella and felt so guilty. I haven't had a drop this pregnancy - just sniffed DH's beer!! lol

I think they say NO ALCOHOL because they know that it can definitely harm your baby and its aimed at the type of people that would drink a bottle a day or whatever. Just like everything in life, everything in moderation and be sensible

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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 1:21pm
LOL this reminds me how I paniced when I found out I was pregnant with this one and two weeks prior to that it was our Wedding anniversary and I had two beers...I rushed to the Doc as soon as my test came positive (I was 3 weeks)...he said its fine. LOL I am such a nutter!!

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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 1:23pm
Originally posted by Danaj Danaj wrote:



I am careful about what I have. I haven't even had panadol and I quit smoking too. I guess it just sounded like people were thinking I was sitting her boozing it up and that's just not the way it is. I picked a girl friend up from the pub a while ago and there was a heavily pregnant woman there with two vodka premixes in her hand and smoking a ciggy. I think the odd small glass is ok but that is way past the line in imho.


as everyone has said it's totally a personal thing....but if you quit smoking and didn't have panadol then I would have thought you wouldn't drink either? for me....everything gets passed onto the baby and I'm someone who didn't touch it either.... but as I said before it's totally a personal thing but as the research isnt clear as to when the alcohol affects the baby and there are cases of not having much and it causing FAS so I didn't think it was worth the risk.

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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 1:26pm
and I don't mean it to sound preachy either but for me it's just one of those things that you give up when you are pregnant... just like V...sigh i soooo missed it:)

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Posted By: WRXnKids
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 3:52pm
I still drunk v i just cut back from 2 or 3 a day to one if i couldnt have a coffee since they say you should cut your coffee back to no more than like 3 coffees a day i figured one v wasnt gunna hurt. During my preg i had 1 beer on a reallly hot day and i think 1 wine but i had ms until 34wks so couldnt stomach alcohol even though i had intended on havin the occasional glass thru my preg. Then again there were lots of things i never gave up i was just sensible about how i had it ie deli ham, kfc, leftovers etc.

They do promote no alcohol during preg in nz because we are seen as a country of binge drinkers and unable to drink in moderation. To be honest i think if they properly investigated FAS they would find its a crock of sh*t but thats just my opinion as if alcohol did cause it there should be alot more people with it. Each to their own tho

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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 5:14pm
is says on the V not for pregnant or lactating women..it's all the gurana and stuff as well ....not just the caffeine..

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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 5:42pm
This is really interesting.

Just the smell of alcohol for me is bad enough, although at times I though man I'd love a glass of something, but when it gets near my nose...nope

In my first pregnancy we didn't find out until I was about 5 weeks or so preg & we'd been typical DINKS & Kiwi's, but then one night I had a glass poured for me I sipped it & said I don't want that, My DH & friend looked at me weirdly & a few days later we did the Preg test & it was a BFP.

It's a hard thing to say what to do & I guess that is because they can't do case studies and test for it. So they err on the side of extreme caution and advise abstainance.

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Posted By: DJ
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 8:03pm

I didn't like the idea that the baby would probably get drunk and then hung over.

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Posted By: Danaj
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 8:52pm
Is tea as bad as coffee? Caffeine wise I mean.

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Posted By: BugTeeny
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 7:58am
Originally posted by nzpiper nzpiper wrote:

and what does it say about me that i thought you meant a full bottle and didnt bat an eyelid???  Do you think thats what happens when you are married to a viticulturist?


I hear ya - I'm married to a winemaker!


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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 4:12pm

Coffee      Amount      Caffeine
coffee, generic brewed      8 oz      102-200 mg
coffee, Starbucks brewed      16 oz (grande)      330 mg
coffee, Dunkin' Donuts brewed      16 oz      206 mg
caffè latte or cappuccino, Starbucks      16 oz (grande)      150 mg
caffè latte or cappuccino, Starbucks      12 oz (tall)      75 mg
espresso, Starbucks      1 oz (1 shot )      75 mg
espresso, generic      1 oz (1 shot)      30-90 mg
coffee, generic instant      8 oz      27-173 mg
coffee, generic decaffeinated      8 oz      3-26 mg


Tea      Amount      Caffeine
black tea, brewed      8 oz      40-120 mg
green tea, brewed      8 oz      30-50 mg
decaffeinated black tea      8 oz      2 mg
Starbucks Tazo Chai Tea latte      16 oz (grande)      100 mg
Nestea      12 oz      26 mg
Snapple      16 oz      42 mg
Lipton Brisk iced tea      12 oz      10 mg


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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 4:13pm
http://www.babycenter.com/0_caffeine-during-pregnancy_3955.bc?articleId=3955&page=2#articlesection0

that's the full table..

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Posted By: Blankney94
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 6:08pm

Hi guys - interesting branch going on here.  I'll put my two cents worth in but this is only my opinion and I'm not preaching to anyone else. 

I really love my drinks, especially a rum, bourbon or riesling in the evening, but now that I am pregnant I don't touch a drop.  I would really love to, and everytime DH has a rum I take a good smell of it and it smells delicious!   But I think if the experts aren't sure about the effects of alcohol, and how much is too much, then surely it isn't too much trouble to give it up for 9 months so that baby gets the best possible opportunity for a good start?

I have one vice - Coke - I used to drink it for most drinks every single day.  Since I got pregnant I couldn't handle any Coke for the first 12 weeks.  Now it tastes good again so I allow myself a diluted half glass about every second day.  I don't drink coffee so this is the only caffeine I have. 



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Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 8:06pm
Hi DanaJ, basically the jury is out, there is no safe limit for alcohol. If you choose to drink, you choose to deal with the consequences if baby does get FAS or FAE. I didn't drink once I found out I was pregnant even though we had heaps of occasions and Christmas/New Years etc but it never crossed my mind. BUT if I felt like I really needed a wine I don't think it would have bothered me too much to have 1. I couldn't do it in public just because I'd worry about what others thought.

FAE - foetal alcohol EFFECTS is a lot more common than FAS but goes under the radar. Your child can be affected by your consumption of alcohol without having FAS (the different look, noticeably different etc). FAE, usually undiagnosed, causes huge behavioural and learning difficulties which obviously leads to underachievement, and inabilities to function as a 'normal' person without actually being diagnosed as having particular issues. Someone mentioned above that its a crock - its not, its just that FAE is so much more common but isn't easily diagnosed and therefore stats aren't high. I did a paper on FAE and FAS linked to learning and behavioural issues when I was pregnant and it was enough to put me off drinking. I kind of figure its 9 months, I had enough self control to quit smoking and do everything else I needed to do, so it was just another diet change. I would also drink grapetise and things like that.

It is a personal opinion but a very debated topic so you are going to get strong opinions from others here. I just never wanted to do anything that would make me feel guilty if my baby came out not quite right as there are enough things to stress about as a mum without the added pressures we put on ourselves. So yeah, I basically live in the camp of this body is my baby's for 9 months and after that I can drink all I want. But I also never had cravings for it so can't speak from that perspective.


Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 10:34pm

I agree with the others when they say it's a very personal choice. 

For me I avoided alcohol while pregnant (although I am great wine lover and will be hitting up Charly for some freebies later). 

My dad, who was a medic, told me that things that things enter the placenta at certain times but noone can predict when.  Once they do pass the placenta it gets recycled and it goes around again and again and again.  For this reason I decided not to ingest anything that could potentially be harmful to my baby.



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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 11:39pm
I was down to one cup of coffee with DD but this pregnancy I usually have one cup but got hooked to coke now (Usually I am a sprite drinker...even of that) and when I have a stressful day I end up with two cups of coffee. I try not to but I just do. I dont think it will affect baby badly or how it will affect baby but then who knows??

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Posted By: VioletStar
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 10:23am
Originally posted by emz emz wrote:


FAE - foetal alcohol EFFECTS is a lot more common than FAS but goes under the radar. Your child can be affected by your consumption of alcohol without having FAS (the different look, noticeably different etc). FAE, usually undiagnosed, causes huge behavioural and learning difficulties which obviously leads to underachievement, and inabilities to function as a 'normal' person without actually being diagnosed as having particular issues. Someone mentioned above that its a crock - its not, its just that FAE is so much more common but isn't easily diagnosed and therefore stats aren't high. I did a paper on FAE and FAS linked to learning and behavioural issues when I was pregnant and it was enough to put me off drinking. I kind of figure its 9 months, I had enough self control to quit smoking and do everything else I needed to do, so it was just another diet change. I would also drink grapetise and things like that.



Hey there, I totally agree with Emz, I work with adults/teenagers/children with special needs, and in my current job I work with alot of teenagers who have either FAS or FAE, and from supporting these kids and getting to know them, I know I would NEVER take the risk once I was knowingly pregnant (or even since I've been TTC), I wouldn't want my child (when I have one) to live and struggle with the effects of a choice I made cos I wanted to indulge in something with unknown consequences... Just my honest opinion

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Posted By: mrshouse
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:32pm

il put my 2 cents in too

 

not pregnant- i love my alcohol and have it! to the point DH warned me that i better cut back-

pregnant- i would never! i too take a good long smell of DH's drink and that has to do....and if im really craving il pour some coke in a drinking glass and dream away-and that gives me some satisfaction......another time with DD i bought some sparkling grape juice and poured it into a wine glass- sometimes its just the ritual you crave......

 

then again im one that wont touch panadol and other medicines....even when they say its ok......it is a personal thing but alcohol for me at any stage of pregnancy is UNBELIEVABLE



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Posted By: NeoshasMummy
Date Posted: 08 September 2008 at 3:45pm
ok... im going to turn around and walk straight out of this one ladies

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