allergic reactiom
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Topic: allergic reactiom
Posted By: ElfsMum
Subject: allergic reactiom
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 5:08pm
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as you know i found floaty bits in the formula(which incidently the follow on and the gold plus arent approved here) so tried him on normal Karicare...and he had an allergic reaction.. :( so now have to put him back on stuff with floaties in it...:( because he was fine with that..off to test him on 20 mls of the gold again or else off to the after hours:( help! ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
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Posted By: Redbedrock
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 5:15pm
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if it's the Karicare Gold it is apporved it was the Gold plus they withdrew from sale
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Posted By: WRXnKids
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 5:18pm
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crap Josh is normally on Karicare Birth but have just brought the thickened one as the plunket lady said to get the hungry baby one for him which i couldnt find so hopefully this is the right one. Man i hope he doesnt react!! I thought it would be different brands that would do that. Hey at least Karicare has lots of different special allergy formulas might have to keep trying them to find a good one. Hope its not too serious. -------------   
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Posted By: WRXnKids
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 5:21pm
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I thought they did still sell it? It was just cos of one ingrediant that hadn't been tested in nz but has been approved in numerous other countries (the ingrediant that encourages better sleep according to my midwife) or was that something else? -------------
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 6:24pm
Yeah that is exactly right, has been approved in the EU and plenty of other places. Karicare were going to take legal action over it because it was an unwarranted attack on them. ------------- 
 
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wrxchic wrote:Posted By: BellaBoo
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 7:54pm
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I give Bella a top up and personally I hated the Karicare stuff when I used it. I then bought S-26 gold and find it great as it mixes well and hasnt caused extra wind etc. Maybe try a different brand? ------------- http://lilypie.com">   http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 8:02pm
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I'll post before i read replies..went to after hours..he reacted while there as well to the same formula hes always had:( so had to get special stuff...and my mother said 'see i told you formula wasnt the easy option..' i could have freaking killed her.. and DH i cant lift him or see as he has hurt his eyes and his hand:( and now hes hungry and no sterilised bottles:( and while we were there a kid with vomiting and a headache was next door and a girl with chickenpox....i hope he hasnt got those cause i took him to doc...on the plus side the doc th ere was the other doc at my normal practice.. anyway just waiting for steriliser then will see what happens with the s26 soy one:( ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 8:03pm
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yeah the plunket confirmed the birth one is ok the others arent,..but it still has floaty things in mine:( karicare gold was fine for a whole week...then tried normal and had the reaction and back to gold and reaction..dunno why:(
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 8:38pm
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He won't get chickenpox coz he still has immunity from you and your breastmilk over the past few weeks (assuming you've had it!)
What sort of reaction did he have? Classic allergic reactions (hives/anaphalaxis etc) can happen even after earlier exposure where there's been no reaction. My Maya had formula at 3 weeks old when I was in hospital with mastitis and was fine, then had nothing till 5 mths and had a severe reaction to a bottle of formula then. -------------  Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 8:45pm
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he drank it and about 2 mins later rash everywhere..face , hands , body legs.. and about 10secs of huffing breathing.. and it went away when we stopped and he was then ok(temp fine ..laughing away).. rang Plunket they said try him again on the gold(that was normal) again and i did (50mls) and same but not quite so severe reaction...
went to docs at 535 and at 700(yes 7!!!!) gave him some more in front of doc and he had moderate reaction.. he said go get the one the lady suggested(the middle range one, not the one on prescription) couldnt find it but got s26 soy(which i think is the same as s26 lactose free?) and he drank it just now..no reaction and has gone to bed.. just before we left he set of the alarm today but was breathing and fine so hes freaked me out a lot today:( hopefully he hasnt inherited my food issues:( ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 8:53pm
Oh man, what the hell were Plunket thinking?????? If he came up in a rash and had breathing problems DO NOT try him on any other cows milk based formulas, period. I can't believe they thought the brand would make a difference! That makes me sooooo mad
Soy is OK as a short term solution but current practises in NZ don't recommend soy as a complete food for infants under 12 months, esp kids with cows milk protein allergy as there is a higher incidence of soy allergy in kids with CMPA. Sorry, I don't want to sound bossy, but I have spent so much time unravelling allergies with my own kids that it has become a passion and it makes me mad that so many health professionals are so poorly educated - it puts our kids at risk. My best advice is to see your GP on Mon and ask for an urgent referral to a paed - by urgent I mean they need to see you within the week, you will probably need to put him on Neocate which is a prescription only formula for kids with CMPA but he'll need to be assessed by a paed first. If they can't see you that soon, turn up at the ED at the hospital and refuse to leave till they do see you and do a full evaluation. They'll be able to sort the prescription and funding etc. In the meantime, stick with the soy, but as I said, long term it's not recommended. Sorry, I know you didn't ask for my advice, and feel free to ignore it, but trust me after spending time with 2 of my kids in hospital with allergy related issues and 5 years of dealing with allergies I know what I'm talking about! ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 8:55pm
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PS Karicare do a formula called HA which is hydrolysed so more suitable for kids with cows milk issues, but from the sounds of his reaction, Ethan has true CMPA and he'll prob still react to the HA. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 9:47pm
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yeah i guess cause normally gold would be the one babies react to i guess.. and hehad been fine on it so she thought best of two evils i guess.and DH wanted to try him again on the karitane one he reacted to but i remembered about your post about not trying them twice so we didnt..(thanks)
Simon(my doc who i see if Tony isnt there) was the one on at the after hours and he said try this one(well the lactose one..which i assume is the same one? couldnt see a lactose one there and this lactose free?) and then tell Tony when i see him.but i will be ringing monday first thing (I'm allergic ..well intolerant to soy which i didnt know till i was 25) lol i do appreciate it...:) yeah im avoiding all Karicare! so soy ok till monday when i see Tony? ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 9:52pm
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No lactose free as it still contains cows milk protein, and it's not a Karicare thing or a Gold thing, it's a reaction to the cows milk protein which is found in all of the mainstream formulas as they are cows milk based. Babies who are allergic will react to all brands/types of cows milk formula.
Yep, stick with the soy till Mon as long as he is tolerating it OK. But really do push for an urgent paed appt as this is Ethan's entire food supply that is the issue so it is really urgent that it gets sorted. We mucked around for months trying goats/soy formulas etc. with Maya and she ended up in Starship for 10 days with gastric bleeding coz her poor digestive system had been too damaged. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:02pm
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Hugs Kawww! I know you must be freaking out chick, but I'm sure Ethan will be fine once you've seen the paed. I'll txt you on Monday probably once I get money on my phone to see how you guys are.
Just an aside, does Neocate work out the same cost wise as normal formula seeing as you can get it on prescription Emma? Not that Jack's allergic or anything, I'm just being nosey 
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:04pm
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Yep, it's about $7 per tin on prescription but it comes in 450g tins so they are smaller than standard formula tins.
You can buy it off script but it costs $85 
ETA: Actually that's a lie, you can't get it off script, but you can get it on script without a HFA # and that's when it's $85 a tin, sorry! ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:04pm
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this one says no cows milk protein and no lactose? hmmm hope he will be ok..he hasnt had any spots to this one.. the other one wasnt there:(
so i dont need to hunt down the other one?or shall i trawl the countdowns till i find one?:) ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:06pm
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Which one says no cows milk protein? The soy one?
If he's taking the soy, leave him on that till MOn. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:06pm
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it says ' no cows milk protein actually..sorry. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:07pm
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yep soy says 'lactose free and no cows milk protein' ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:12pm
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Yep, the only formulas that are cows milk protein free are soy and goats (but goats is another story, don't go there either lol!), the Karicare HA has cows milk protein in it but it's modified to make it harder for the immune system to recognise.
But yeah, soys the go till Mon. Good luck! Keep me posted! I worry about all these allergy kids coz sometimes the doctors are a bit clueless! M ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:17pm
oh and can I just add at your mum for the 'easy option' comment. We all know what a tough decision this has been for you  -------------  
 
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:21pm
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i txted her about it and i got 'you took it the wrong way'.. its the second time she had a snide comment.. :( DH wants to tell her to $%^& off..but i made him not say anything..
ii do feel guilty that he is sick cause of me though:( but I'll get past that..just wish it was Monday...but hes sleeping soundly with no spots so hopefully it'll be ok till monday....I'm too wound up and a bit worried to sleep i think.. still at least Ethan is doing 6-7 hours these days.. and at least i have pretty hair(got foils and a cut today:) ) ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:21pm
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emma- ok.just wouldnt want to make him worse before then! ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:24pm
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No, if he's been OK on the soy so far you should be able to get to MOn, if he does have probs with teh soy tomorrow take him straight up to the hospital ED and demand to see the duty immunology reg.
And it's not your fault! It's just a lil speedbump in the road, once you get him sorted on a formula that works for him, then he'll be A-OK. Two of my girls were allergic to breastmilk even, I beat myself up waaaay too much over that when at the end of the day it doesn't matter how we feed them, it's how we love them that counts. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:26pm
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KA if it makes you feel better Rowan is EBF but currently she's covered in a rash and has eczema under her arm, neck and over her groin which I'm pretty sure is because of something I've eaten - so reactions can happen regardless of formula or EBF. It is hard when you have allergies and you know that your kid has probably got it from you though.
and yay for pretty hair  Sounds like you deserve a bit of pampering with DH and DS both unwell at the same time.-------------
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:29pm
LOL I blame Willie and the dodgy half caste blood for my kids allergies, coz I have none, but in reality exczema and allergies are rampant on my side of the family and it's just luck that I personally don't have any  ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:31pm
DH and I both have eczema and both of us are intolerant to lactose. So the poor girl didn't stand a chance with our inferior genetic combo  Now I'm just trying to figure out what the latest culprit is....-------------
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:39pm
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lol i had asthma as a kid and excema(sp) as an adult..didnt find out my food allergies till 25..crazy... ! yeah you are right Emma i should cut me some slack.. he had rashes with bfing but i assumed it was hormone spots? though it went away since formula till now..crazy...! babies!!:( ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:40pm
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at least he was an angel there(with help from dummy) and smiling at everyone..lol. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:51pm
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right truly bed this time:) ! night all hopefully tomorrow is a better day.. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 10:51pm
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It prob was just hormone spots KA, allergy babies tend to get worse hormone spots as well, Maya's were shocking. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 30 March 2008 at 8:16am
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Kawwww, have only just seen all this, how scary. How are you feeling this morning? That sounds like a bad reaction, I didn't realise it had caused him breathing problems as well. Spencer is on the neocate that Emma was talking about. If you don't get any luck with your gp then I can give you the details of the paed we saw (cost $150 cos we went private though). Emma is right though at lot of the health professionals give sh*tty advice cos they don't know enough about it.
(oh and if you need it I have a couple of spare tins of neocate) -------------
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 31 March 2008 at 12:02pm
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rang karicare..they are collecting the tins (crap stupid me didnt keep the particle) and analysing it..it could be 'scorche milk powder' but they will analyse adn rin gme asap and let me know..in the meantime the neocate ladies will be happy to help me with any questions i may have....
no free stuff...though at least she was very helpful..i have to go put it in the letterbox waiting for the courier.. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Kellz
Date Posted: 31 March 2008 at 12:05pm
Yep Isla had really really bad hormome spots too, lasted about 3 months. They were through her hair, ears and down her neck too. |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 31 March 2008 at 1:22pm
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eEthan had them and really bad at docs but he didnt say anything i even pointed out they got worse after injections but he wasnt worried....hmmmmm
doc at 315.... ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |