Threatened Miscarriage??
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Topic: Threatened Miscarriage??
Posted By: FionaS
Subject: Threatened Miscarriage??
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 6:36pm
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Suddenly my bbs don't feel sore and I have very light brown spotting...is this a threatened miscarriage? What do I do? Sit and wait? Get an HCG test?
I was so relaxed until now. And I had a mochalatte today so now I feel really guilty! ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
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Posted By: Brenna
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 6:53pm
*Hugs* I'm not sure what else to say. Don't feel guilty about the mochalatte, I highly doubt this has anything to do with the spotting. Isn't spotting early in pregnancy fairly normal??? I have my fingers crossed that it is nothing! Thinking of you  -------------  My beautiful 2 girls...nearly 4 and 13 months
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 6:55pm
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Ummm, its so hard to judge what brown spotting can be...sometimes its ok sometimes its not.
For me, I had lack of symptoms and then started spotting brown, and I ended up having a scan which showed just a sac measuring 5 weeks and no baby(I was supposed to be 7 weeks) and then the next day I miscarried. I had had hcg levels tested aswell and they were going down, but I didnt know that till after I m/c. Dont feel guilty, I highly doubt that if you are having a m/c it has anything to do with the mochalatte**hugs** Ring your midwife or doc and get hcg done, and also maybe ask if you can have a scan, it will really put your mind at ease. ------------- |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 6:59pm
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I had brown spotting during my pregnancy. I would just let your m/w know...but I wouldn't feel guilty for the mochalatte!! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:04pm
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Text me! Big hugs! I'm sure everything is fine. I've had weeks and weeks worth of spotting with this pregnancy, and with the gremlins too and all is well. If it's brown and old-looking, try not to read too much into it (don't worry, I know that's almost impossible!)as it could be just implantation bleeding, irritation near the cervix, or even a pseudo-AF. The boobs thing doesn't mean anything coz symptoms come and go like that.
When I miscarried the bleeding started out bright red and clotty, I knew straight away that it was all over. What's happening is still termed a threatened miscarriage, any bleeding before 20 weeks is, but that doesn't mean you will miscarry. Keep an eye on the spotting and give your midwife a call and see about maybe getting your hCG levels done. There's no point having a scan at this stage as you can't see the heartbeat till 6 1/2-7 weeks. More big hugs, call me if you need anything? ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:07pm
I called around some midwives a couple of weeks ago but no one will see me until 8 weeks pregnancy so I kinda have one but kinda don't. Can go to my doc I guess but....I WANNA KNOW NOW! I'm an impatient kinda gal! 
Can sore bbs really come and go? They were sore this morning... ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:09pm
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Yep they sure can! As can nausea and all other pregnancy symptoms just to make us all neurotic and crazy!
I'd say go to the doc in the morning, the only way to find out now would be to turn up at the WAU at Ak hospital and have them do urgent bloods. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:10pm
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LOL if I keep prodding bbs I'm sure they'll get sore again! ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:14pm
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Teehee, I've SO done that. Then you don't know whether they're sore coz you've been poking them or sore coz of hormones etc.!
Blah, early pregnancy sucks! If you were a few weeks further I'd say come over and use the doppler for peace of mind but your bub is too small for that yet. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:24pm
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OMG Emma you have a doppler? ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:32pm
Of course I do - do you think I could get thru pregnancy without one? I am a total headcase! ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:34pm
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Big hugs girl. Sending you loads of sticky vibes! Dont feel guilty about the mochalatte (yummy) ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
Busy mum to Miss 15yrs, Miss 10yrs and Master 4yrs |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:35pm
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Thanks guys. You so know I'm going to be in that bathroom every 10mins tonight. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:46pm
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Teehee, you are SO like me! ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: JadeC
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:48pm
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Oh, hang in there Fi! Fingers cross that this little one sticks, and that the spotting is nothing. I know a few people who spot all through their pregnancies and they have beautiful babies now. ------------- http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 8:05pm
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Fingers crossed Fiona!! Try not to worry too much, though coming from me I know that's fine advice!!
I do agree that it's unlikely the bbs getting "unsore" is at all related... you would expect the soreness to taper off rather than just go away suddenly if it were related to a miscarriage. I would ask your doc for a morning HCG test, they should have your results back to you by the afternoon. And as for me... I have made a good habit of wiping before I pee, and after, and checking both for anything untoward!!
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 8:11pm
Ah, so I am normal after all! ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Laurie wrote:Posted By: MissAngel
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 8:12pm
| When I was really early in my pregnancy like you are, I had MEGA spotting with yucky brown clots and all that. was really gross, but everything was fine. Like with others, when I MC'd when I was really young, it was red and bloody and nasty. You can demand to see a MW, but your GP and the nurses there will be able to sort you out :D GL! |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 8:23pm
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Bit scarey anyway! ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: AnnC
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 8:27pm
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Hope its all okay for you fiona ------------- Ann 
Also Mum to Josh (15) and Brooke (10) |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 8:37pm
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It's light beige and very very light so maybe it's ok... ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 8:55pm
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Not experienced in spotting (both times I already knew), but from all the things people have said on here, it is probably nothing to worry about.
Maybe you could have a scan in a week? |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 9:00pm
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Yeap...I was just praying and hoping and trying to relax but i'll be asking for an earlier scan now (if I'm still pregnant in a week or so)! I go to Australia on Thurs for a week so lets hope the stress of flying etc doesn't make things worse (I'm terrified of flying). ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: mum2matte
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 9:20pm
| Hey Fiona I had lots of brown(light) coloured spotting in this pregnancy and was freaked too. A scan confirmed everything was ok for me. Sending you best wishes and would suggest for peace of mind definately visit your doctor and ask for HCG and perhaps a scan just to reassure yourself. |
Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 9:21pm
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Damn, I was about to suggest alcohol to calm the nerves, but then remembered how stupid a suggestion that would be!
Good luck Fiona... hope it all works out ok. :o) |
Posted By: Joelle
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 9:40pm
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Fiona - When I was 6+5 I passed a clot(?) - next day I had no sore bbs and didn't feel pregnant. I felt hollow.
Went and spoke to my doc and she sent me to get my bloods checked and a scan - I knew within 2 days. Go see your doc and get checked out. Hope everythings ok |
Posted By: shelleybean
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 9:43pm
Think positive, everything is going to be fine. All the best with flying ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: babyg
Date Posted: 28 January 2008 at 10:55pm
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Fiona, I had symptoms come and go regularly through my pregnancy and had spotting/streaking and monster bleeds all the way through my pregnancy as well. I felt sure that i had had a silent miscarraige at 8wks with a big bleedout. Didn't do anything cos had no pain with it. When i went to first MW visit at 9wks she had me do bloods three times that wk and my hormones dropped to the point where baby was no longer classed as viable - HOWEVER - a scan at 10wks showed healthy little bouncing bubba!
Bled all the way through my pregnancy and very little symptoms at all and yet my little girl is proof that miracles still happen! So i know that you are going to worry (having been there) but just remember that it doesn't ALWAYS end in MC (and i'm so sorry and feel very for those mummies who didn't get the happy ending with their pregnancy complications - not trying to make your experiences insignificant at all)
Best of luck with everything chick - go see a doc if you get too worked up about it all cos that won't be helping the situation. ------------- Ev, Mum to: Carys Ruby - 4 October 2007 Spencer James - 2 July 2010 |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 7:52am
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i had no symptoms with my m/c and THREE episodes of brown spotting with this healthy bubs...so as the others say try not to worry but do get a scan before you go if you can(though that will be hard cause you need a referral..well you do in chch anyway) ! best wishes! ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: susieq
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:06am
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Big hugs, all will be okay and good luck with flying
go to the doctors tho |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:08am
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Oh and also, with this pregnancy my boobs were a wee bit sore for a week then the soreness went away, so I wouldnt worry too much about not having sore boobs.
Laurie-I did the wiping thing aswell lol I even check now! ------------- |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:46am
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i beat you all...i still check:) ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 9:00am
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This morning the stuff is still mucousy but is darker brown...I know brown still means old but...still not a good sign. I had an tiny (very tiny) bit of pink last night too.
Will make an appt with the doc today, I just hope I can get in today as they are always so busy. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 9:16am
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Tell the receptionist why you want to see the doc and she will be sure to find you a slot.
Hope all is well ------------- 
 
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Posted By: 4cats
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 9:19am
| When you ring to make your appt, tell them what's happening and they may be able to squeeze you in even if they are busy. I went through similar earlier in this pregnancy & my Dr arranged for an emergency scan over the phone, so I just had to get myself to the scan place (rather than see the Dr first). Best of luck. |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 9:19am
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Yeah tell them why, they should squeeze you in seems as its an emergency. If they cant, could you try the AnE?
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Posted By: emachan
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 10:03am
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good luck with the appointment fiona - I'm sure things will be fine - its not dark red or clotting so I've been told that any light spotting or brownish stuff is normal. Thinking of you today! ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">  DD#1 Sept 08 DD#2 Oct 09 |
Posted By: kezplanet
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 10:53am
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Thinking of you Fiona, hope all is well for you
------------- Kerryn, Mum to Ashlyn(29/3/04), Anastasia(1/11/05) & Abigail (24/02/09) |
Posted By: caraMel
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 11:05am
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Thinking of you and praying for your wee bubs Fiona xxx ------------- Mel, Mummy to E: 6, B: 4 and: 
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 11:14am
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Thinking of you babe...I'm sure all will be well...hoping for an update soon though. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: My3Sons
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 11:25am
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Good luck at the Drs!! ------------- Mum to Mr 10, Mr 6 and Mr 4
 
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 3:13pm
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Have red blood staining now. Doc said may or may not be miscarriage. Had bloods and scan and waiting for results. Sonographer wouldn't say anything. We thought we saw 2 sacs but she only measured one so perhaps the other was something else. The sac was about right for 5 weeks so I dunno what that means...definately no heartbeat etc but they weren't expecting to see one. My ticker says 6 weeks but my doc said 5.5 weeks based on my dates.
The nurse is busy for another 30mins so just have to keep waiting for my results. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Bumble
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 3:16pm
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Posted By: Tiff
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 3:18pm
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Thinking of you, with all fingers and toes crossed. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 3:28pm
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A few people have asked why I didn't get my hcg tested earlier on. The reasons were that (1) the doc was happy with the level and (2) if I had the numbers may not have told me anything but may have caused worry...knowing the numbers wouldn't have changed what is happening now. Without the retest i was able to just relax and enjoy the last 2 weeks whereas had I tested I would've spent 2 weeks worrying.
:) ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 3:29pm
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How bloody inconvenient of her to be busy, doesn't she know we're all waiting anxiously! Fingers crossed here too! ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
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Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 3:42pm
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Mercy haven't sent results through yet...the nurse is ringing them to chase them up.
Argh. The results will probably be inconclusive anyway! ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 3:50pm
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Oh this must be awful for you...I hope everything does turn out ok! Thats odd the person who scanned you didn say anything...when I had mine he did tell me tha I was measuring behind for my dates...
So there was two sacs? Maybe it was twins and you are m/cing one?'I have my fingers crossed for you hun **hugs* ------------- |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 3:54pm
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Emma came with me and she also thought there were two sacs BUT the sonographer only measured one so not sure what the other was. There are some funny bits on the scan where she has put question marks so I hope they are not polyps or something. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 3:57pm
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Hmmm thats odd...well hopefully its not polyps or anything. And I really hope they have some good news for you, the waiting must be so horrible! ------------- |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 4:03pm
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Scan results not through but HCG now 1660 which is heaps higher than 24 but by my calcs is not high enough.
ETA to add that according to betabase the doubling time is 54 hours so still ok possibly. Mind you, it only really matters what the numbers say on Thurs and I'll be Australia then! NOT helpful. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: babyg
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 4:11pm
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Good luck Fiona, I want the scan results to have good news for you - sending loads of stickiness your way!
Hope your little one (or two?) are ok. ------------- Ev, Mum to: Carys Ruby - 4 October 2007 Spencer James - 2 July 2010 |
Posted By: susieq
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 4:16pm
| Big hugs and stickys your way from me too |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 4:46pm
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Right. The nurse phoned and read the scan results but can't interpret them. The doc will phone me later.
The scan shows a sac which is about the right size but because it is so early it can't be classed as viable or not. They found a subchorionic haemorrhage in the right adnexa (??). I dunno what the means. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: caraMel
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 4:48pm
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Hope you hear from the Dr soon! ------------- Mel, Mummy to E: 6, B: 4 and:
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Posted By: babyg
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 5:04pm
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I don't know either Fiona - sounds very technical!
No bad news yet ------------- Ev, Mum to: Carys Ruby - 4 October 2007 Spencer James - 2 July 2010 |
Posted By: JadeC
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 5:09pm
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How confusing. I hope the bleeding stops soon Fi. Hang in there ------------- http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: 4cats
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 5:13pm
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A subchorionic hematoma is a blood clot. That's what caused the bleeding early on in my pregnancy too. It's not necessarily bad news but of course the Dr will know more. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: tropics
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 5:14pm
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babe I hope you hear from the doctor soon! xoxoox ------------- http://lilypie.com">    [/url]
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 5:46pm
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Hmmm that may be where the bleeding is coming from, I hope you get some definiate good news real soon! xox ------------- |
Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 6:34pm
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Oh, Fiona, you've had a stressful day! I hope you're ok.
It sounds like the haemorrhage could be causing the bleeding, not the sac? I hope that's the case!! Sticky vibes bubba!! |
Posted By: james
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 6:57pm
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 7:00pm
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The haemorrhage can't be in the right adnexa, the adnexa is the ovary, if it's a subchorionic haemorrhage it will be between the placenta and the uterine wall. I only know what they are coz they suspected that was what was causing my bleeding a few weeks ago and I talked to the radiologist about it (it wasn't btw).
I don't know all that much about them, but just did some quick reading and it seems that it all depends on the size of the haemorrhage and it's positioning, but painless bleeding is a typical symptom which doesn't neccessarily mean miscarriage, and Laurie is right, the bleeding comes from the haemorrhage not the sac itself. The only risk is if the haemorrhage occupies more than 30-40% of the placental wall as that can cause the placenta to detach. Good luck talking to the doctor, big hugs! ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 7:24pm
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Doc didn't know much. She said haemmorhage is small and not of much concern but that scan showed 5 week sac and we thought I was nearer 6 BUT I THINK my cycle was long so 5 weeks could be about right...we don't know! I was about 10 DPO 2 weeks ago so 5 weeks could be right even though it's 6 weeks since last period....!
I need an Hcg on Thurs. If number isn't doubling (or near to doubling) then likelyhood is miscarriage, if it doubles then liklihood is all will be fine. We are none-the-wiser. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 7:29pm
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Argh, more waiting! Come out for cake with us tomorrow night to take your mind off things!
I will be saying some prayers that your wee one stays good and stuck where it is. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: babyg
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 7:32pm
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Oh, Fiona - sorry that you didn't get clear answers today. Hope you have a good couple of days till your next HCG.
Resending sticky vibes! ------------- Ev, Mum to: Carys Ruby - 4 October 2007 Spencer James - 2 July 2010 |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 7:34pm
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I guess the question is...if my cycle was 31 days or so...is it possible to have a perfectly healthy baby measuring 5 weeks, even though it's 6 weeks since LMP?
I need to make up my mind on that as if it's not looking good, I need to try to cancel flights to Australia but if it looks positive I will go ahead with the trip. The next hcg won't be back until 12noon Thurs and I am supposed to leave at 4pm! So I know you all try to be positive and supportive but I need some honest opinions now... ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 7:45pm
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In my (humble) opinion (lol doctor Emma) it really could go either way. Your hCGs are within the normal range, on the low side of normal but normal nonetheless, and the fact that your early hCG was so low lends support to the theory that you are a few days behind where you originally thought. And with the bleeding coming from the subchorionic haemorrhage and not the sac itself you could go on to have a perfectly normal pregnancy.
But on the flipside, even pregnancies with no bleeding and perfect hCG levels can go wrong, so it's really impossible to call. It's just a bugger that your trip is this week and not next week as if it was next week you could have had another scan to put your mind at rest. You could always do an hCG level tomorrow. If it's falling you'll know for sure it's a m/c, if it's rising then thats a good sign. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 7:47pm
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PS. I'm serious about the cake, girls night out! ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 7:51pm
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Fiona, honest opinions are tough, because they can often be wrong.
To be 100% totally honest, your situation sounds a lot like my last miscarriage. HCG that was very low, but still doubling, plus spotting, and symptoms that faded away. I also had an inconclusive scan that showed an empty sac at just over 6 weeks, but measuring only 5. My HCG did continue to double quite normally, so for a couple of weeks they were unsue, but it was very, very low for my dates, of which I was certain. The doctors also did tell me they would expect to see a yolk and fetal pole by 6 weeks. Having said that.... if you are 5 weeks and not 6 weeks, then it is entirely possible your HCG is in normal range, and even more likely that you wouldn't see anything in your sac yet. So, you could just be experiencing very normal early pregnancy, with a bit of spotting. The good thing is that the bleeding is very likely to be coming from the hemorrhage, and not from the sac coming away from the wall. I can totally see why you're confused!! When I would tell the girls on here of my troubles, I appreciated all of the positive stories that came out and it made me realise that there was no way I could give up and assume the worst until I knew for certain. There are SO many stories like ours that have a positive outcome, so you have to hold on to the hope that you have. Based on what the doctors think and the doubt you have over your dates I personally think you should be treating this as a completely normal pregnancy. With just different dates than you thought!! As for cancelling Australia... I don't really have much advice. It would be horrible to actually miscarry so far from home and the support of your family and friends (not to mention your medical professionals). But, if you think you might only be 5 weeks, then this really could be nothing to worry about and cancelling would be really sad! Do you have travel insurance, and if you had to cancel would you be able to arrange a time to go back? Hun, I soooo hope yours is one of those good news stories. I've been worried about you this evening and I hope that you're ok. Feel free to PM me if you want to ask any questions, as like I said our situation sounds quite similar. In the meantime, don't give up hope. I'll keep you in my thoughts, with hopes and prayers and crossed fingers that everything is fine. Good luck! xoxoxo I hope this post sounds more positive than negative - I think you have a great chance of things working out! P.S. Take Emma up on the cake offer!!! Cake helps enormously in these situations! If I was in Aucks I'd be joining you for sure!
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 7:55pm
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Laurie is right, usually gestational sac is visible once hCG reaches about 1000, they would expect to see a fetal pole/yolk sac with levels of 2000+ and a heartbeat sometime after 6 1/2 weeks. My midwife didn't believe they saw a heartbeat on this baby at 5,5 til she saw the report, but I reckon I was closer to 6,1 given that every scan since bub has measured bigger and bigger.
------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:02pm
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Emma's also very correct! If your HCG is under 2000, that's another reason you can't see a yolk sac or fetal pole yet.
Try not to worry too much Fiona. xx |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:06pm
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If I did miscarry, would it likely to happen naturally and reasonably painlessly without the need for medical help? That's my biggest worry - having to spend loads on getting medical care in Aus. DH is going for a concert so if we go we go on Thurs. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:09pm
Fiona - you and baby need some super powered baby sticking in uterus choccie cake! If nothing else than to give me an opportunity to give you a big congrats hug as I haven't seen you since your BFP. SO come out with us tomorrow night woman! That's an order! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
 
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:11pm
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Again impossible to say, but how long are you going for? IF you did start to m/c you could probably leave it until you got back to NZ to give things a chance to happen naturally and if you are still bleeding when you get back then see the doc here. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: JadeC
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:14pm
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Do you have travel insurance? Maybe that could be a back-up in case you need medical care over there.
My sister ended up being hospitalized in Aussie (when she was living there) and she had fantastic treatment. They were just great. ------------- http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:17pm
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Get back on Fri 08th in the evening.
Gee I hate unknowns! Everything I've read says seeing an empty sac at 5 weeks is totally to be expected and that the pole won't usually show until 5.5 or 6 weeks. Bleeding is a little heavier now but still not enough to need anything more than a liner. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:18pm
I m/c naturally, the day after my scan I woke up in the morning and passed most of it when I sat down on the toilet, wasnt nice at all, but I was glad that it happened that way, and then I bled for about 5 days and passed quite large clots for 3 days on and off. I think if you are already bleeding then its happening naturally(thats if you are having a miscarriage). I really hope this turns out all well for you, I know how hard this is having been here myself
I have everything crossed for you. ------------- |
Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:19pm
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Fiona, that question is even harder to answer!!
My first miscarriage came as a complete shock. I was an emotional mess but the miscarriage part itself was a breeze. I spotted for 3 days, got heavier on the Thursday then passed one clot on the Friday night and the bleeding immediately tapered off. To be honest, I wondered what the fuss was all about in terms of the physical side of it. Well! (TMI to follow) The next miscarriage was the total opposite. Emotionally I was prepared as my intuition was telling me what was going to happen. Physically it was a disaster. I spotted heaps, then it got heavier to the point I passed a few clots and thought I was done. After that heavy bleeding set in, and it was so full on that I was passing clots every few minutes and could barely stand or walk. On the day I had the D&C I was soaking pads in ten minutes and bleeding all over the floor in the hospital. I don't say all this to scare you, it's just so hard to tell how your body will react. Round one would be easy to handle overseas and round two I couldn't imagine being anywhere but home. I really think Emma's advice is good. See if you can get HCG tomorrow AND Thursday, as you'll be able to get an idea of your pattern. I'm sure your doc will do that under the circumstances. That should give you good guidance, and if you have to cancel at the very last minute, then you have really good grounds to make a travel insurance claim. Big hugs again babe! I'll be keeping an eye on you and, thought I'm no expert, keep asking any questions you need to. |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:20pm
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As for the cake...I will if I can but have soooooooooooooo much to do work wise and on the home front before we go away and today was totally unproductive. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:25pm
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If I miscarry soon, I will choose to think that it was natures way of flushing out something that did not have the information to become a baby. That sounds hard I know but it's the way I chose to think of it in my situation. I just want to know so I can move on. Sure it will be hard but the hardest part will be losing the idea of being pregnant as opposed to a baby as at this point if I lose it then it probably doesn't contain the right genetic info.
I hope that doesn't offend anyone who has had a miscarriage as it's not how I think about all miscarriages, it's just how I've decided to interpret it if it happens...a way to cope. I just want to know. I will do hcg tomorrow and Thurs then I will hopefully have a better idea. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:27pm
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Teehee, today wasn't all that productive for me either, your baby owes me a cuddle when it gets here!
You're only away for a week so I'd say that it's pretty safe to go, unless you start bleeding excessively heavily you should be able to let things happen naturally and then if it isn't all over by the time you get back re-evaluate your options. I really do think a hCG tomorrow will help with answers. And I think cake is a really, really good idea, my shout even! ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:28pm
| I think that's a really nice, peaceful way to think about it. It was a similar approach that I took to my second one. And although I was sad, it was a good way to cope. |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:39pm
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When I first had my m/c all I wanted to know was why why did it happen to me, and I wondered what I did wrong, but now I know that I did nothing wrong and there just wasnt something right and nature fixed it. I can understand where you are coming from Fiona. ------------- |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:52pm
I think that makes perfect sense and also no offence to anyone but it's how I view them early on and how I viewed both mine. Big hugs to you babe...i'm praying that everything does come out right for you! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 8:58pm
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Well you all did better than me! I dug me a nice big hole and climbed into it and wallowed for 18 months. Then suddenly woke up one day and realised that I had two beautiful babies who I was completely missing out on and a precious Maya that needed me, and I'll never get that time back. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 9:02pm
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Emma, I still feel hurt like that over number one, because I had dreams and hopes and had got totally attached.
But number two was different... I am still sad and frustrated it didn't work out, and I feel very hard done by, but not for one minute did I allow myself to get attached as I just KNEW it was going pear shaped. Problem is I have definately allowed myself that attachment again this time, and I'll be devastated again if it doesn't work out. Isn't it funny how many different ways there are of coping, even for the same person... no wonder people don't often know what to say! |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 9:05pm
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I did the whole non-attachment thing with the gremlins pregnancy, I was so terrified I'd lose them, I kept up the detachment right up until they were about 8 mths old, it was the most bizarre experience to live with these babies and feel nothing at all.
So I'm enjoying this pregnancy, haemmeroids and all, just because I am able to be so much more relaxed. God bless meds! ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
(02/01/06)
The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 9:27pm
That's what I've often thought...there are some who do honestly see it as a natural thing that can happen, the last time when it was a suspected miscarriage (doc is sure it was) I cried for a day and that was it...that said I'm sure my reaction would be vastly different if it was an established pregnancy further down the track!!! I suspect I might join the wallowing group!!
Sorry for the Threadjack!  ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 9:28pm
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Wow, Emma, that must have been so hard. Poor you!! Still, your love is probably already exponential, so don't be too hard on yourself.
Glad to hear you're enjoying this pregnancy! |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 9:32pm
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I think miscarrying is always hard but for me the further along I was the harder it would get. However, we all react differently and our reactions are based on soooooo many circumstances so all reactions are valid and understandable. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 9:37pm
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Absolutely! The *issues* I had after mine were a combination of difficult circumstances: how long it had taken to get pregnant, getting pregnant so soon afterward, a high risk twin pregnancy, sick babies, it all just added up.
I definitely think if it had been a straightforward single pregnancy I would have been far less neurotic (but still a little neurotic, it's in my character). Sorry for the threadjack F, but at least my sorry-ass story gives you something to read while you wait and wait ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 9:40pm
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And not to mention wait!
Totally flip flopping between thinking it'll be fine and thinking it's all over. If it helps I tried an online due date calculator that can be adjusted according to cycle length and it said I'm 5 weeks... Anyway, enough info. It's impossible to know anything right now. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: emachan
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 9:42pm
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Fiona - hang in there chicky, I'm still thinking of you. I hope that you can get another blood test tomorrow and see whats happening. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> DD#1 Sept 08 DD#2 Oct 09 |
Posted By: Rachael21
Date Posted: 29 January 2008 at 9:54pm
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I just thought I'd put in here I'm thinking of you too and I hope everything works out ok.
With Caprece I knew my cycles were 31 days but the midwife refused to believe and put my DD as from my AF and what do ya know all my scans put me back anyway so I suspect you may only be 5 or so weeks. |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 4:36am
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Thanks everyone for your support. I was having trouble sleeping and now my toddler is having a fabulous time playing, talking and squealing loudly in her cot so there is no chance of sleep. Argh. That however is a different topic.
The bleeding is now like a period, minus any pain. I am certain that I am miscarrying. Unfortunately I have to go to work today (I have to take a training day 2 days after I get back from Australia and am yet to prepare for it...silly me for procrastinating). All our managers are booked in for this day and some are flying up from around the country so I have to do it and it has to be good. I also have to prepare for leaving for Australia on Thurs so despite the miscarriage and lack of sleep there is no time for rest at this point. Here's hoping I don't get too much pain. Pity Elle can't refrain from keeping me awake half the night! I take it that if my bleeding is like a heavy period and I'm getting reasonably painless cramping feelings, I can just let the miscarriage run it's course without having to see a doc or anything at this stage? ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 6:27am
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I am so sorry Fiona **hugs** I know how hard it is. I would see your doctor, or let them know at least whats happening, just in case. When I started bleeding heavy I got lots of big clots and the cramps were very sore, way sore than a period. My bleeding started off like a period on the Thursday night at about 11pm then when I woke up at 8am it was full blown with the very painful cramps and clots.
I would perhaps let work know whats going on because as the m/c progresses it gets heavier and painful. I found sitting still with a hot water bottle and some panadol the best thing for it. Take Care Hun------------- |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 6:37am
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I'm really sorry sweetie...I was prayin that all would turn out ok. Big hugs to you. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: yummymummy
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 7:08am
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I's so so sorry that this is happening.
I was reading the posts from start, hoping everything will turn OK (I've had bleeding with both my pregnancies and the doc told me I've had threatened miscarriages for both). I've had red bleeding too but not as heavy - is it enough to wet a pad in about an hour? Big hugs ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: KiwiL
Date Posted: 30 January 2008 at 7:36am
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Fiona, I am really sorry the bleeding has become worse. I was really hoping it wouldn't. It doesn't sound very good to be honest, sucks that you have to go through this. Especially with everything else on.
I would try to see your doctor today. Like Sheza said, it can get more painful and they may be able to tell if it now looks like a miscarriage or not. Fingers crossed it's all ok and this is just a big scare. I'll be thinking of you today. xxx |