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    Posted: 18 November 2009 at 8:32pm
We are not sure what to do, where to go next. Here's our story...

Hubby and I have both been tested untl the cows come home, and there is NO REASON why we can't conceive naturally.

We had one successful natural conception after 9 months of trying, but that ended in mc at 6 weeks. Truth of the matter was that I didn't understand anything about ovulation etc, so when I discovered those ovulation kits we actually conceived within 5 months of that.

A year later, we had had no further luck despite using ovulation kits. So we went to a gyno who prescribed me Clomid at double dose. Every 3 months I went back to him and his words were 'here's another 3 months worth of prescription, if not pg after that come back, oh and that's $80, cheers'.

Highly frustrated, we took advice from some friends who were visiting Repromed, and became the patients of their best fertility specialist, Dr Greg Philipson from January 2009. They were horrified that I had never been scanned while on the Clomid with the other doctor (scan? what's that for???) - so from then on we were on single dose, and scanned ready for IUI (assisted insemination).

Aside from all the other testing of the tubes, genetics, and all the other stuff I have lost count on, hubby's sperm came back as totally normal, good motility. So we were good to go - but it just wasn't happening for us.

Our first IUI resulted in a positive pg, but that ended at 6 weeks in mc - again. It was a 'chemical pregnancy'. I was ill up to a week after the mc with ms, very strange, and very horrible. There were fears of an ectopic, but thankfully it was not the case.

Then our 3rd IUI resulted in another positive pg! But once again, at 13 weeks, we discovered our baby girl (we knew the sex from foetal testing) had died at 10 weeks. NO warning whatsoever - my scan was at 13 weeks, and I had no idea there was a problem until we saw the foetus which was too small for 13 weeks, with no heartbeat. We had had a healthy heartbeat of 120 bpm at 6 weeks via an internal scan at Repromed and were assured that we had just a good a chance as anyone of carrying to term. Even the gyno was upset when we met with him later that fateful day as he said it was just horrid bad luck that he couldn't foresee.

We had our 5th IUI on our wedding anniversary on the 4th November, and if you have kept up with me in the 2WW thread you will see that I am still feeling very pg, yet bloods y'day at 13 dpo revealed no pg. I am still not convinced as AF is not here, no signs of her arriving, and I am nauseous as heck when travelling, besides many other symptoms like sore breasts etc. But I digress.

IF we are not pregnant, what the heck do we do, where do we go next. We are not advised to do IVF because I DO get pg, and each IUI costs us $1040, whereas IVF will be $10k (I don't qualify for GF cause I am over the recommended BMI, despite being fit and healthy). The specialists say that I have just as much chance of mc with natural conception, assisted insemination, or IVF.

They have told us that because I DO get pg, IUI is our best chance. We feel that hubby's sperm just doesn't get 'right up there', despite good motility tests. After intercourse, when jumping in the shower for a good clean-up (sorry if TMI), there is often a lot of semen left just inside my vagina. It's like it just pools up 'in there' and doesn't swim up. Hence the reason we feel we are not getting pg naturally. But we have certainly proven we are fertile - with 5 IUI's we have had 2 successful pg tests, despite the end result of mc.

I am 37, turning 38 in February. After 3 mc's, I am kinda getting a bit concerned. I KNOW that I will eventually fall pg again, but how many more IUI's do I have to do before they say NO MORE. They say that they don't want us to get into double figures... I would like to insist on IVF just so they can get my eggs out, if anything, then they will remain 38 years old (as at the time I will be 38).

Does anyone have any other suggestions? It's very tempting to do the old turkey baster trick! Upon discussion tonight with hubby, we really feel that it's just the 'getting the sperm into the uterus' that is our problem - but how can we improve that?

Sorry for the big long post, and thank you for reading and for any advice/suggestions that you can offer. We are just sooo frustrated, and we can't see the light at the end of the tunnel really (no pun intended).

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Im no help really just wanted to say your in our prayers luv, HUGS!!!



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Get the whole church involved Nic, cause I am beginning to think we need more than the power of prayer! But thank you luv.
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ya never know, everything happens for a reason and hell give ya another bubba in his time not ours unfortunately.....just hang in there ok, dont give up!!!



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Apparently I have a 'beautiful cervix and uterus', very easy to inseminate (one of the specialists is a real hard case and uses such wonderful terminology to lighten the moment) - so I guess not...!?

Don't worry about editing stuff out Jezsika, I'm a big girl now .But do explain more what a tilted uterus is, I am curious, and you never know... hmmm you got me thinking now...

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The only option I can suggest is have you considered adoption?

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Have decided if not a Mum by 40 then yes we will do adoption if we can :)
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PMSL Jeszika at the gymnastics!

I do the pillow-trick and the 15-20 mins, even lie against the wall with my legs up the wall, it's quite funny really and we LOAO!

How do they test for that - cause I have had internal examinations etc and 2 D&C's so surely someone would have noticed something?
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Hey Maebeebaby, we are in similar situation… Have been TTC for over a year now, had all the tests done and everything is fine, even had that egg test where it tells you how many eggs left, apparently I have loads! On 3rd cycle of clomid now, my doctor said that if this 3rd cycle doesn’t work then we should try IUI.. So think we may try that in January or Feb and have a couple of months of trying to get UTD on our own.. Its tough, especially when there is nothing wrong… Think its just a waiting game and just luck that people get pregnant, so hang in there, it will happen soon. Whats your advice on IUI? I think we will definitely try it… Chin up anyway and you will get your BFP oneday soon!
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Definitely try the IUI!
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Oh MaebeeBaby, you have been through the ringer and back again! My goodness this TTC business is so tough for some, I really feel for you and I hope you get your BFP soon!

I don't have any advice to offer you, just lots of 's
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Disclaimer: I don't know much about causes of fertility problems.   That said, I know a number of people with fertility difficulties. And, you've probably had all the tests under the sun.

Have you had any bloods done? A friend had 2 miscarriages then a stillbirth at 28 weeks. After the autopsy, they found she had a condition that caused clotting in the placenta. She wouldn't have been through all the tests unless she'd had the SB cos she'd "only" (medical speak, not mine) had 2 MC before then. She's now PG, 28 weeks and having regular clexane injections to stop the clotting. The other thing is your cervix - another friend had some stenosis in her cervix due to CIN removals (early cervical cancer signs) - after she had it dilated, she had no problems getting PG.

Sorry - I feel really useless suggesting things b/c I'm sure you've been through it all before.
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Cheers Flissty, yes I have had all of that done - and am taking low dose aspirin now and will get Heparin with the next pg for similar reasons to your friend - cause of possible blood clotting.
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Loooooooooong chat with hubby tonight. We have decided 'no more FT' until 2010. So, that gives us 2 more cycles this year to go it alone. I am off to the www.baby4you.co.nz website to buy a few tools!

We managed it once by ourselves, surely we can do it again? We are now older and wiser...!
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hi maebee baby just wanted to send you
you have totally been through the wringer it is a miracle you are still so positive....and it really sounds like you & hubby have some good communication going on about it all :)

just a thought....i think pillow under the hips/legs up the wall don't elevate the pelvis enough for everyone, and you need to increase the angle without neccessarily getting into handstand/headstand territory every session! so my advice is google "half shoulderstand" and see if this would be a good position for you to do after BD. i think its a good compromise to get the hips up there but without the gymnastics!
there are so many variables and i am def no expert, but your ideas about the semen possibly pooling and not quite making it there sound sensible....so i think it would be worth trying.
my 2 pregnancies were both after half shoulderstands....the second very sadly ended at 10.5 weeks in a missed miscarriage, and my heart truly goes out to you for everything you have been though.

btw thanks for starting this thread. a friend of mine has been trying for 3 years with no success and the tilted pelvis / cervical cell abnormality problems could def apply to her.
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Thanks so much for your post pikaboo - I am googling as soon as I have finished typing - thank you so much for the hint, and best wishes to you and your friend - we have to be positive - what else do we have!
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Hey that's awesome - just saw the pic of the manoevre - it's just what I look like when I lie on the bed with my legs up the wall - but I don't get that privilege with IUI of course

So I guess I have a few manoevres to start utilising again now that we are DIY again!
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Hi,

Sorry to hear of your losses and hardship TTC. What if you aimed to loose enough weight to get GF for IVF, then at least you'd have those 38yr old eggs safely stored in case you needed to go down that route. Putting your efforts into this can be a great way to clear your mind which you never know may help your chances of TTC anyway. I know that's easier said than done but could be worth it to have those eggs in storage free of charge as such.

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I agree with the above, losing weight would be at least one less thing that you would "have against you" in the TTC stakes.
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hey maebee baby - glad you like the look of half shoulderstanding your way to a BFP ! I am coming up to the middle of my cycle so looking forward to breaking out my manoevures after BD again...and then the 2 week wait....

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