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    Posted: 11 February 2008 at 8:32am
I've mentioned this before but am getting a bit desperate for a solution...if there is one.

For the last 2 months, Gabrielle, 17mths, has spent a couple of hours awake in the middle of the night most nights. She basically gets on her hands and knees and rocks back and forth making a loud mmmm mmmmm mmmmm sound. She used to practice all her words so I thought I was developmental but for a couple of weeks now she just "mmmm's". Even if she can't get onto all fours i.e. if the safety sleep is on she still does it, she just moves her body up and down rather than rocking.

Last night she did this from 3am to 6.15am. Dh has to get up for work at 6.20. We are both exhuasted. She then goes back to sleep and if left will sleep until 9 or so!!!!! Maddness.   She doesn't cry at all at night...just rocks and "mmmmm's" for hours.

I know it could be worse...she could scream all night but this waking is still affecting our family. DH and I are shattered, we are struggling at work, snappy with each other etc. Last night I got 3 hours sleep. I've tried sleeping in other rooms, ear plugs etc but I can still hear her.

From what I can gather, most kids don't do this??
Any ideas for what may be causing it (it is not heat or undertiredness or overtirednes)?
Any ideas for how we can stop it?

So desperate for ideas! Soooooo tired and sick of havig headaches and looking like the living dead! This lack of sleep is aging me big time.
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Um, i'm not sure if other babies dont do it - but maybe more that their parents dont hear them...    

i had a night waker but he was a screamer sorry so i dont think i have any clever ideas.

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No suggestions sorry Fiona, but lots of sympathy! My little cherubs allowed me a grand total of 4 hours sleep last night
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Do you go in at all? Jack went thru a stage at a similar age of waking and being awake for 3 or so hours, we tried everything but nothing made a difference so we ended up leaving him to it (crying tho) and he stopped after a week or so.

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We didn't go in for the first month but now we go in, lie her down, strap her into the safety sleep and tell her to shhh and go to sleep. She just smiles as we walk out. No crying at all. In some ways I wish it was crying as then some kind of sleep training would work. There must be something causing her to wake up.

I know it sounds lovely but it's not really :)
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Have you tried ringing plunket line for ideas?
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Tried the sleep store and the baby whisperer, plunket line is always busy. The genreal consensus is that most kids wake, but for only short times OR if they are awake longer they are crying for Mum so Elle's waking is not typical. They also say there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

I suppose to be totally honest I worry that it is just 1 more peice to the puzzle that is Elle i.e. irritable baby, irritable tendancies now, sleep issues....etc. I worry about what it all means as there is just something different about her. I know some disagree but DH and I really still feel something is not quite right. I know only time will tell and worrying doesn't help but...!

I just worry too much :)
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If you guys have a gut feeling that something is wrong follow your instincts and get it checked out by your GP.

Are you maybe thinking with the mmmmmmm etc. it could be something like autism? I have no idea at all what age that shows or anything so am only putting it out there


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I would go and see your GP and see if you can get referred to a paed. I don't know if it's normal or not. Definitely get it checked though, always trust your intuition.
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Have you tried putting her in the safety sleep when she first goes to bed instead of only after she has woken?
If you are really worried about it then i would go to a paed as well, you don't necessarily need a referal, we self referred Spencer (paid to go privately though)

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what about the cat? is it waking her maybe or annoying her.

maybe you just need to take some drugs so you dont wake up when she starts mmmming to herself...

is her door open?   

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Nope..doors shut...our walls are paper thin. We are moving sometime this year.

We've done the paed route and they say she is fine. They say she MAY turn out to have something such as ADHD but they can't diagnose until at least 3. They say that it is retrospective i.e. often parents of kids with various issues look back and realise the unsettled behaviour was a sign of something. In other cases the unsettledness remains a mystery and the kid is totally fine.

She was a terrible sleeper as a baby and then once we got to 8mths we had 8 months of nothing but good quiet sleep. Then 2 months ago she started waking at night.

I definatetly try not to dwell on it as I don't want to put her in a box but sometimes I worry...don't we all :)
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Originally posted by newmum newmum wrote:

If you guys have a gut feeling that something is wrong follow your instincts and get it checked out by your GP.

Are you maybe thinking with the mmmmmmm etc. it could be something like autism? I have no idea at all what age that shows or anything so am only putting it out there



I very much doubt it is austism as she has no other signs and her lanuage and interaction are excellent if not advanced. Although rocking for hours at night sounds a bit autistic I think it is probably just a normal, albeit weird toddler thing. I think she is pretending to be a dog when she does it LOL!!!
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i was telling my husband about this this afternoon fiona and he said both his brothers did it...theywoueld rock in their cots for hours making some sort of noise. He remembers as they are his half brothers and he was much older than them...

He said they out grew it eventually.

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LOL well that's good then!

kids are weird... Joey spent most of the afternoon in a box with winnie the pooh, lid closed, in the dark, "I'm on a boat mama"... ?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FionaS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 February 2008 at 7:18pm
Originally posted by GandT GandT wrote:

i was telling my husband about this this afternoon fiona and he said both his brothers did it...theywoueld rock in their cots for hours making some sort of noise. He remembers as they are his half brothers and he was much older than them...

He said they out grew it eventually.


Telling more tales about that nutty lady huh...
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