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Mel&Kel
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Topic: Frequent Waking at Night Posted: 19 May 2009 at 9:46am |
I need help!
My 3 month old was great a sleeping, she used to wake once and sometimes slept through the night until about 5.30am -6am. I do a dreamfeed at 10p and now I am finding that she is waking on average 8 times during the night.
Sometimes she wakes after 15 mins, sometimes after 30mins, sometimes after an hour. I have tried feeding her, she feeds for about 2 mins and go to sleep on the (.) so obviously not hungry.
I use a dummy and everytime she wakes she has her eyes closed and is moving her head around to find the dummy. I think she is relying on the dummy to self soothe and can't do it herself.
If I leave her she gets really upset and wont go back to sleep and will get herself really worked up so I just get up straight away, put the dummy back in and go back to bed as she closes her eyes and drifts back off to sleep straight away, but now she is waking more and more often...
HELP! Do I need to stop giving her the dummy? She seems so young and LOVES to suck. Do I need to leave her to cry even though she gets really upset and wont ever self settle?
I can't handle her waking this many times at night as it wakes up both of us and is really affecting our sleep!
She sleeps great during the day, she is awake for an hour and then sleeps for about 1 1/2 to 2 hours, and only sometimes wakes during the day sleeps for me to put the dummy back in but most of the time she doesn't wake half way through.
She wants the dummy as soon as she gets tired, she is a very sucky baby and she also suffers from reflux.
What have I done wrong and how do I fix it, I want my sleeping baby back? Help me please!
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BugTeeny
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 10:20am |
Firstly, you've done nothing wrong
She's possibly going through her 3 month growth spurt.
I know Hannah was unsettled for about 3 days at 12 weeks, and again at 14 weeks, but soon came right.
I hope she settles soon
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 11:05am |
Thanks MamaPickle, it has been getting worse over the last 2 weeks.... do you still think it could be growth spurt?
PS Hannah is so cute, amazing how dark her hair was when she was born and how blonde she is now!
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 12:52pm |
Aw hugs hun. I've not really got any advice but Im wondering if getting rid of the dummy may help, depending of course if thats the reason why she is waking up. Did she used to suck on her hands before you gave her the dummy?
How many times during the night is she feeding now?
Hope it resolves for you soon xx
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 2:52pm |
We found as soon as we unwrapped one arm, Joel found his thumb straight away, started sleeping through straight away cos he could self settle by sucking his thumb. This was at 11 weeks and he has slept 13hrs plus a night since.
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 2:58pm |
Thanks Mel&Kel
Not sure on the growth spurt now, since you say it's been happening for 2 weeks. But I like the other ladies' ideas
I really hope things get easier soon. It's so hard when they go from being so good to just really out of character like that with no obvious reason!
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 3:28pm |
Mel, just an idea, but maybe she's sleeping too well during the day? Its possible she needs to stay awake for longer periods during the day - my boy is about the same age, and I'm stretching him out to 1hour, 15 mins to 1 and 1/2 hours of awake time before sleep time.
But in saying that, Cam is also waking up during the night but is not hungry. Thankfully he'll grizzle for a bit then go back to sleep by himself. He also loves his dummy, but doesn't always need it to fall asleep. So could also be a self-soothing issue for Eva. The reflux might also be bothering her, do you have the head of her cot raised?
Its a tough one, hope you figure it soon.
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 4:56pm |
If she settles with the dummy even without you feeding her, then I'd be inclined to just pop it back in. Eventually she will get co-ordinated enough to find the dummy in the cot herself when it falls out - some things that can help with this are having one clipped on to her pyjamas or putting several in the cot around her head. That said, at 3 months she's a bit little to find her own dummy so you need to decide if it's worth persevering with if it means you getting up several times a night.
Sleep experts generally agree that sleep associations don't begin to form until around 4 months of age so you haven't done anything wrong by feeding her to sleep or giving her the dummy, at the end of the day you have to do what works for both of you.
I like someone else's suggestion re: swaddling with one arm out so she can find her thumb too. Lil miss has never had a dummy but when I stopped wrapping her with her arms in she immediately started sucking her thumb and still does.
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 6:21pm |
Ooh I'm going to try leaving one of Chelsea's arms unwrapped tonight and see if that helps her sleep longer than 3 hours! (She's only a week and a half younger than your girl but has never slept through the night yet  )
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 6:24pm |
Not that we're paying any attention to the baby whisperer after today's suggestions ("just resettle"...HA!), but I remember her saying today that sometimes when the dummy falls out just the sound of it can wake some babies....
Although I doubt it would be that since Eva was such a good wee sleeper. Here's hoping it's just a long drawn out growth spurt that ends soon so you can get some sleep!
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 9:11pm |
I don't wrap her, she has found her thumb and sucks it when she is awake but she wont put it in her mouth when she is trying to settle herself back to sleep.
I noticed today that she woke after an hour sleeping and I had to put the dummy in... now I am wondering if she never self settles during the day and I just go and put the dummy in without thinking... or was today just a weird day?
Today she drank so much, bascially drank and was tired within 40 mins and then went back to sleep.
I wondered if she needs to be up longer but she does all the tired signs after about 45 mins to 1 hour. Clenched fists, makes 'neh' noises for the dummy, stares, yawns. Goes to sleep very fast as soon as I put the dummy in.
Whitewave can you just put Cam in bed and he will go to sleep without the dummy? Do you do shhhing and bum patting or anything?
I watched the baby whisperer today and so I went in when Eva was asleep and the dummy was out, I put on the bedside cabinet but she woke after an hour and needed it to settle herself again... so I don't think it is the noise. I have noticed that she sucks it sometimes while sleeping and I wonder if she wakes when it falls out and she tries to suck it and realises it isn't there?
I really hope it is a growth spurt. I find it impossible for her to sleep without the dummy unless she falls asleep on me... in the cot she just cries and winges until I give her the dummy. Shhing doesn't work as she just looks at me and smiles and wakes up more... if I give the dummy she closes her eyes and goes straight back to sleep.
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Posted: 19 May 2009 at 10:32pm |
Mel, if I get Cam into bed at the right time i.e. I catch his tired signs before he's suddenly overtired, he can now go to sleep without his dummy, but if he's overtired I have to cuddle him, put his dummy in and stroke his forehead til he starts to drift off.
If Eva is showing her tired signs, then by all means put her to bed. You'll notice she'll start staying awake slightly longer soon, I reckon.
I remember recently reading a section in the "Baby Whisperer" book by Tracy Hogg about some babies becoming habitual wakers - is she waking at particular times, or is it random?
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Posted: 20 May 2009 at 8:10pm |
I am not sure if she is waking at particular times, I will have to see over the next couple of days.
Eva had a way better sleep last night. She did a DF at 10.30pm then slept till 4.30am, I gave her the dummy, then she woke at 5.30am, I gave her the dummy again and then she got up at 6.15am for breakfast. YAY! Not holding my breath tonight as she has problems with dairy and reflux and I tried dairy again to see if it still affected her... yup it does.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 7:26am |
We are just getting rid of the dummy here, I'm not sure that is the cause of our problem but I figure best to get rid of it now before he gets too attached to it. Kyle sleeps fine during the day, sometimes needs resettling but mostly doesn't, but at night the fun begins. He goes to bed at 7pm without his dummy and goes to sleep fine as he is usually very tired at that point then he will sleep till anywhere between 9pm and 2am...lol...has a feed, then sometimes another feed at 3ish if he's woken early. So that's fine I dont' mind getting up to feed after all he is still only 4 months old but from 4am he needs constant resettling, I put the dummy in he goes back off for 10 mins, then I have to put it in again and again and again and again and again and again and......well you get the point!. If I try feeding him, not interested, pulls off and laughs at me  the cheeky monkey. So I either put him in bed with me which sometimes keeps him happy or we end up getting up at like 5-6am which is a killer, especially when in reality I have actually been awake since 4am cos of all the dummy replacements.
Kyle is still fully swaddled, which he seems to enjoy and have tried leaving one arm out instead of giving him the dummy but he got the hump about that so instead during the day now I am doing shshing and patting and white noise but only if necessary (if that makes sense). So far we are going quite well in the mornings but the afternoons sleep are sometimes a little tough to get out of him. I have no idea if it will help with the night wakings but at least I feel like I am doing something....lol. I also took him to an osteo yesterday, he was engaged for a long time and then a vontouse delivery so thought it was a good idea to have him realigned. He seemed to like it but was a little bit unsettled yesterday afternoon which she said was normal, so fingers crossed today will be better, although as i have been up since 4.30am I'm not getting too excited!
Man I have waffled on, sorry! Anyway not to scare you or anything but Kyle use to sleep from his 10pm dreamfeed until 4am then back down till 7am, all this nonsense waking started after the 12 week growth spurt
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 10:21am |
i think i was too tired to settle my baby at night. once he was fed, i would just leave him in his bed until he fell asleep on his own. I think there were quite a few nights that he was 'up' and I would just take him right next to me on the couch or bed and sleep hoping he would follow suit (it worked more often than not).
Then I decided to keep up with a wear him out, give him a bath, feed and tuck him in (hands free -eventually he found his hand to self settle) and say see ya later alligator rhyme and kiss him and close the door. Since then he's been a much better sleeper. knock on wood. i read a lot bout sleeping-and whatev worked is what i carried on with. i know that you should talk softly and give little stimulation so they know it's not 'up' time. like another mother said, make sure they aren't getting too much day time sleep. good luck!
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 11:25am |
We had major sleep issues with M and had to hire a sleep therapist as she was awake 16 hours per day. Her worst day was 20 hours awake. It cost us an arm and a leg for the therapist but she slept 14 hours last night and is back in bed for another 2 hour nap (hopefully lol). She would sleep some nights but out of pure exhaustion and suffered from fatigue that saw her admitted to hospital.
Basically, what we learned is that sleep and resettling is not a natural skill for all babies. It's something that can also come and go depending on what phases they go through. M still has bad days and even bad weeks but now we have the skills to put her back on track.
There is a small amount of controlled crying involved but not to the extent of leaving them to cry themselves to sleep which was what I couldn't handle. When she woke, we would crawl into her room so she couldn't see us and pat her tummy to try to get her to calm down (stopped using dummy at this stage as it was driving us bonkers). If that didn't work (and usually didn't in the early days) I would park the vacuum outside her room with her door open. It can go in their rooms but the exhaust can be a bit smelly and dusty. Then I would start the patting again. I burnt the motor out in the vacuum so now have motorway noise recorded to MP3 wired up in her room. It's flimmin loud and I use it for every day sleep. The whole idea is to give her the reassurance that you are there and she is loved, without using the dummy. There is usually some crying that goes with it but it's more cause she's not getting what she wants, which is the dummy. After a short while, the cry comes down to a grizzle then they should start to drift off to sleep. The first three days is the hardest but our problem was fixed within two weeks. Now we get about 17 hours of sleep per day.
I know not everyone likes the CC idea but this is a way to do it without the concept of leaving her alone. We tried it when we were desperate but she would go on and on and on........ It seemed such a violent way to go to sleep to me and I couldn't cope with it. With the patting and the vacuum (or any white noise quite loud) meant I could be right there with her helping her to learn to settle rather than trying to force her to do it herself.
If you think this might work for her to get over this rough patch, feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
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