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    Posted: 17 February 2010 at 3:03pm
Im thinking this is going to be rather common for newborn and onwards bubs as they dont have much of a routine yet...

But my little angel will not sleep during the day... Shes fine going down in her bassinett at 10pm ish then shes up on average every 3-4 hours.

Do the whole feed, change, play then put down she will shut her eyes then wake herself up its like after shutting off for 5mins she thinks its then playtime again. I know its soo important this early on for them to "grow while they sleep".

Have tried the warming the bed, wrapping (sometimes works), even trying to have a sleep with her or her sleeping on me just so she can get some shut eye.
Would love to hear how some of you are dealing with this?
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white noise may help - putting the radio on static for instance.

Other than that - I always let her sleep on me or jumped into bed with her and snuck away once she was asleep. Putting her into her moby was the best and easiest if I needed to get things done, highly recommended. Don't worry about creating any bad habits. My DD at nearly 11mths is still sometimes boobed to sleep and or rocked. Sometimes she is happy to nod off by herself but not always.
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White noise, wrapping & sleeping on her side with a wedge helped my DD to have her naps. I used a miracle wrap as DD escaped from everything else. On days where sleeping was just not happening and it was just too hot for her to sleep on me, I would put her in the pram and push it back and forwards(quite forcefully) over a bump e.g. vacuum cord, jandal, book etc. or if you can maybe have the pram outside in the fresh air and do the same.

I found once DD was getting better sleep during the day, she slept better at night and was even going to bed earlier...so I think there is truth in the whole the more they sleep the better they sleep.
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we have a reclining bouncer....and we ALWAYS wrap him otherwise he doesnt sleep.. there was few days there where he just wouldnt sleep for hours though..but for him if he wakes after 5 mins it's mostly wind..and we let him be on the ground kicking around for a little while and it tires him out..
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How old is she? Are you possibly keeping her up too long? I did feed, play, sleep right from the get go BUT no one told me play for a newborn was nappychange time DUH! I used to have trouble getting DD to sleep. Now I still do, I let her cry now though as a newborn there was no way I Would do that.


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Shes almost 9 weeks, I really cant leave her down to cry to sleep have tried it and she works herself up. Have brought a electric rocking bouncer which works sometimes... Shes also not a fan of white noise the little monkey
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I'm having the same problem, he will happily sleep on me, but if I put him down he'll wake up pretty soon after.

Also very keen for any more suggestions

 
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I asked a similar question in the early days. Just do what you can to get her to sleep, whether it is wearing, co-sleeping, letting her sleep on you etc. Otherwise you could try the "its time to sleep"  which we tried for all of 2days  Up until 6mths you lie them on their side wrapped, patting their leg/bum with one hand other hand on the shoulder taking them off when they calm and are almost asleep. Its called controlled comforting not controlled crying. They do cry hence the reason we only did it for 2days as I didn't want her crying.


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I agree with doing what ever you can to get her to sleep, we found it got quite hot and so he would have his day sleeps in the bassinet of his pram, I had a baby swing that wourked well until he got wise to it and refused to sleep, also we found bouncing on a swiss ball with him put him to sleep. The 5 S's (swaying, shushing, sucking, side sleeping, 4got the other one) worked well when he was over tired.   It does get easier to do and their sleep signs get a lot more easier to see.
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We try to make sure Mac is back in bed within the hour. Keeping him awake too long makes him overtired and he won't go back to sleep.

We let him cry, we time 10 mins, if he's still crying (or gets really worked up before the 10 mins is up) we pick him up without speaking or interacting with him. Let him relax and settle again in our arms, then we put him back down and try again, timing another 10 minutes.

Works for us. We very rarely need to do this more than once.

But every baby is different. It is important for them to be sleeping, as you say "they grow in their sleep" so having nough rest is important for their body and mind.


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I may have misunderstood your post, but are you doing the play part at night as well? If you are, I'd say you need to keep those middle of the night feeds quick, dark and no eye contact so that she knows it's sleepy time.

We also wrapped H for all sleeps, even though he was an escape artist and made a big fuss about it... otherwise he would not sleep. And if he really didn't want to sleep he got rocked in the buggy.

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Originally posted by SpecialK SpecialK wrote:

] I may have misunderstood your post, but are you doing the play part at night as well?


No no not at all, just during the day shes a mission. Nights are sweet. I have decided Im going to work on one sleep period at a time focusing on getting her down. Such as her morning one where shes sleeping in her bed now. Then slowly work on the next one and next one. FX it works
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I could use some assistance in this area as well. Although not for day sleeps or even night time, our problem is only ever in the evening. My son is almost 8 weeks old and he will self settle from awake during the day and at night. But getting him to go to sleep in the evening (anywhere from 5pm to 9pm) is sooooo hard. It doesn't matter how much I feed him, rock him, burp him etc he just crys.

The last two nights we have resorted to letting him cry himself to sleep (providing it doesn't go for too long and doesn't get really bad - in which case I go in and rock his basinette until he calms down), but I really hate this. However I can't keep spending up to 2 hours every night getting him to sleep during this time. As when I do rock him - he will go to sleep for about 5 to 10 minutes and then start crying again. It is heart wrenching and frustrating all at the same time

Does anyone have any suggestions as to why this would be so different to the rest of his day/night? I know this is typically the witching hour time but.....


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mandz - sounds like it's a classic cluster feeding time for you baby. Also known as the witching hour like you say.

I know a lot of babies, mine included, that are awake and feed constantly from 5pm to 9pm. Then come 9pm they just go to sleep.

Only other idea I have is that it could be Colic? Is his crying painful? You'll know if its Colic cause when they cry they thrash about violently and hit you and all sorts. Then suddenly it just goes away.
Also Colic tends to only rear it's ugly head in the evenings.


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Hi Mum2Mac

Thanks for this. Don't think it is Colic as he doesn't really thrash as such. He just acts like he does when he crys, moving his feet around - moving his head from side to side. Although he does have a safety sleep on so that does limit his movement somewhat lol.

So if it is cluster feeding, should I just keep him up and let him feed whenever he gets upset? And then put him to bed when he appears to be really drowsy? Cause I would normally only have him up for an hour at most.

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Mandz, I have the same thing with my wee girl as I think a lot of parents do, My midwife basically said not to even try getting her to sleep because you will end up spending all your time and energy and most likely not succeeding, let her do what she needs to in that time and go with it. For me its not a cluster feeding time as such because she is FF so for the last week I have just been going with it and for the most part except for one bad day she has probably cried less, and ended up falling asleep on me more, I know its not ideal and at the moment I don't have any way to wear her but as soon as I do I will be able to get a lot more done. Do you have the option of wearing your wee boy at this time of night at all?

Sorry don't know if that made sense at all, but I find even if Lexie gets drowsy at that time of night and I try to put her in her bed its not long before she wakes up, and I usually don't have too much trouble with her sleeping in her cot.

Inlove28, Hi!
I was having major issues with Lexie not sleeping very well during the day and this is starting to improve with a few things, I am now very aware that there are more than the obvious tired signs and the first point of any tired signs she is in her bed wrapped, white noise on and I will try stroking her hair or running my finger down the middle of her forehead to the tip of her nose until she starts getting droopy eyed then will leave her to it. I dound before I was missing most of the tired signs and by the time I was getting her to bed she would be so overtired that she would quite often drop off for 5 minutes and then wake back up, the other thing she would do is maybe 20 minutes or so and that was it, I have managed to stretch out her day sleeps till at least 45 minutes each and mostly longer, I can go in and give her her dummy if she stirs and she can go back to sleep quite often.

The other thing to do if you are finding that she isn't sleeping very well still, is go for a really long walk with her in the pram (of course this only works if she is a good sleeper in the pram) and then at least you know she has gotten one good day sleep out of it...

Sorry I have rambled on and you guys probably wont want to read it now lol, Hope it makes some sense


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Just wanted to update everyone. We have now had two nights of sleeping through since we stopped trying to "make" him go to sleep in the evening. I now just keep feeding him whenever he gets upset and other than that I leave him in his bouncinette and if he drifts off for a while then good - otherwise I don't worry. Saturday night he last fed at 9pm and then woke at 5am and last night he fed at 8.30pm and woke again at 5am! Woo hoo - I am really hoping we can start a nice little routine around this! Only downside is that I am basically tied up all evening with him - so hubby has to cook (such a shame) - but the sleeping is sooooo worth it

Thank you everyone for all your help

Edited for terrible spelling!

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