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I know this isn't for everyone but I coslept most of the time with DD and she would often wakeup and feed and although I would sort of wake up too it wasn't nearly as disturbing to either of our sleep as having to get up etc... but as I said it's not for everyone.
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I started formula top ups when Ty was 7 weeks because he always seemed hungry after feeds. It definitely affected BF for me, he became 'lazy' and it would be such a struggle to get him to BF, by 3 months he was completely FF. He has always been a fantastic sleeper, I'm not entirely sure if it was because of the formula or because I have always had him in quite a strict routine.



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I just wanted to second the comment about coffee groups. In my experience, a lot of women in coffee groups say things like "my baby sleeps through the night" because they'd like to project an appearance of having everything perfectly under control. In reality things are sometimes very far from the picture they paint.

I also felt like a bit of a failure because my DS wasn't sleeping through the night from a young age "like all the other babies in the coffee group". That was only until we had a catch up which included the fathers & DS told me afterwards how ALL the other fathers were complaining of babies waking up during the night (remember these are the same babies whose mums were saying they were sleeping through the night like little angels). I really don't understand the logic behind it, but I'd just like to suggest that you take what mums in your coffee group say with a pinch of salt.

Anyway, up to you what you do re formula feeding at night. I personally would avoid it if you are keen on BF for a long time. I have heard it interferes with your supply, & I agree that it may not help your baby sleep any longer at night. Needing a feed every 4 hours sounds pretty normal to me. I know it is hard to beleive at the moment, but this time really will pass & soon enough you will be getting more sleep & everyting will seem much better. Just try hang in there.

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Originally posted by Odettenz Odettenz wrote:

I really don't understand the logic behind it, but I'd just like to suggest that you take what mums in your coffee group say with a pinch of salt.


The 'logic' is that how well, or not, your baby sleeps seems to be the measuring stick against how 'good' a parent you are. It is a load of rubbish of course, but I have found that when it comes down to it that whether you bf or ff, had a vaginal birth or a c-section your value as a mother seems to be strangely linked to how much sleep your baby gets.

I think it also has to do with what people are classing as 'sleeping through'. Most parents seem to think they aren't sleeping through unless they are doing 12 hours without waking/feeding, while the actual definition is any ONE 5 hour or more stretch of sleep.

I have 'poor' sleepers by society standards, but though I got less sleep with DS2 I actually found him to be our 'better' sleeper. I think some mothers tend to exaggerate alot of things because they fear being the 'odd one out' or somehow feel that if their baby isn't doing what everyone else's is that there must be something wrong with their parenting.

Well that is my 'logic' anyway.
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We occasionally get a 6 hour stretch at night (three times so far I think), but we get at least one 4-hour stretch most nights. I have to say, the days where I make sure we get good naps are the ones we get the best nights... she really can only cope with 45 minutes to an hour awake and then I have to get her to sleep... rocking, dummy, wrap... and after she wakes sometimes at 45 minutes, I resettle her...

personally I would just give it a few more weeks

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DS1 was FF from 8 week sand it didnt really help him night sleep..he was a reasonable sleeper before that ....i am considering the FF at night...i am more worried it will make me leak more rather than less lol.. and I am reasonably sure it wont affect my supply but of course your boobs do get used to not feeding at that time if you are doing it every night...i say do what works for you as lack of sleep is soo hard and sometimes for your health and bubs you need some!:) having said all that we are also thinking of going down the EBM route first to see how we go.. anyway i sympathise and understand!!:)
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DD had one formula bottle at her last feed 10ish so that DH could feed her and I expressed that feed each night to build a supply of expressed milk for daytime feeds as I went back to work for the odd day here and there. I don't know if it helped with sleeping but she was sleeping thru the night from about 14weeks.

That was our routine and I wouldn't want anyone to look down on me for doing it, it worked well for us. But it was our routine and I also wouldn't want anyone trying it just because it worked in our situation.

Good luck, don't feel the need to start doing it purely because it works for some others.
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Cant be bothered reading all the responses because I can pretty much guess at them anyway .
I used formula at night for both my babies (still do it now ) haven't noticed a problem in my milk supply and I like that Ty can take a bottle .


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Coffee groups...pffft! We have a purpose built coffee group based on the fact our babies or now toddlers don't sleep through!

Do what is right for you!

Personally I'm lazy & a boob is easy & I'm cheap & a boob is free

side note: been doing formula trials for about 3 or so months now & it doesn't make a difference to C sleeping. The only major improvement was getting him in his own room where he couldn't smell me.
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Well I gave her a bottle just before bedtime at 8.30 last night. First mouth full she wasnt sure then gulped it down. Took about 10mins less to get her to bed. We settled into bed later on and lol she woke at 12.15am pretty much right on cue for her feed, then again at usual times... So havent bothered trying again tonight.

Nice to know that if need be she will take formula
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I agree- it is still normal for baby to only be sleeping 4 hours, but it's cetainly not IDEAL!
For me, I became perfectly ok with doing a formula feed at night. Why? Because it gave me an extra hour sleep. And for us THAT was worth a lot more there any 'bad' things about having a bottle (and ONE formula feed is absolutely fine, it's not gonna hurt them! Bubs is still getting all those lovely nutrients from breast-milk during the day)

I see some people said it didn't make a difference- you could try it for a few nights and if it doesn't make a difference then go back to breast milk only. Your supply will be fine and if you're real worried you could always express at night before bed (that's what I did for a bit too)

(((hugs))) for you. Give it a try if you think it will help and if it works for you then poo to anyone else who doesn't agree! Every baby is different, as is every mum and every family situation




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In my opinion, I wouldn't simply do it because you feel like your baby should sleep longer. When my DD was 7 weeks I introduced a FF before bed as I found BF'ing so stressful as she would feed for up to 90minutes at a time during the day.
Using FF and BF worked well for me, she knew FF meant bed time. It didnt affect BF'ing, although she did self wean at 5 months which may have had something to do with ff'ing? Not sure!

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Kate - could also be a change in the flavour of the milk because you were UTD
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I've been avoiding this topic as I know nothing about formula feeding but I just have to add some input on sleep - your baby sleeping is something a LOT of mums fib about. Very few babies sleep through all the time at such a young age. And it can be really hard to admit that they wake up a couple of times a night when somebody else is telling you "my baby has been sleeping 9pm to 6am since they were X weeks old" because you feel like a failure in comparison. PLEASE don't believe every thing you get told about someone else's baby.
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Every baby is different. DS is not a great sleeper even at 7mths. He's FF now, but BF till 4mths. Before that we had tried one FF at his dream feed in the hope it'd make him sleep longer - it didn't work.
Yeah and I agree with above comment about other mums telling you their bub sleeps through. People have different meanings for 'sleeps through', I've heard the defination as 5hrs straight, that's just 7pm till mid-night!
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Well, my thing about this 'sleeping through the night'.... I don't want my boy to sleep more than four hours coz
a. my boobs get too full (and I had breast abcess needing an operation, not pleasant)
b. I want to use breast feeding as our main contraception (haha yes risky we KNOW)
So personally, I don't think sleeping through is all it is cracked up to be (please God, don't bring back AF til the four hourly feeding sessions stop). I like to think Liam is a good sleeper at night even though he wakes every four hours or so!

What about trying to reduce the time she is awake during the night feeds? I guess you don't do any play sessions then but does she drift off and still suckle while asleep? I know this isn't much time but if you can cut the time she is awake/suckling to 20 minutes it will add up and you might find it easier to get back to sleep.

Also...have you tried settling her back down in the middle of the night? I did this one night after Liam had gone to sleep at 12, then he woke at 2.30 and I rocked him without feeding and he went back to sleep and to my astonishment he did not wake up again til 5.30...my boobs didn't like that tho hehe. I only did it coz I was so exhausted that my brain was not functioning properly!

Finally, I read somewhere that sleep promotes sleep so maybe once she settles better during the day, she will settle better at night. Goodness knows Liam is a shocker during the day but I have noticed when he has good sleeps in the morning he sleeps in the afternoon better as well.

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We introduced a bottle of formula around 6 or 7 weeks so DH could feed too. I don't think it made much of a difference to my supply as that's around the time I started expressing and was getting heaps. You could maybe express at the same time for awhile so you're not losing that feed and see how the formula goes?

Around that time we did start getting longer stretches of sleep, like 7 hours but then after that he'd wake 3 hourlyish. But for some random reason the last fortnight that 7 hours has all gone out the window and he started waking around 10-11pm for some reason, though a lot of the time we can resettle him without feeding him.

I'm not sure if that 7 hours was because of the formula or not though, and if it was just before or after sorry as I stopped writing everything down.
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