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    Posted: 08 March 2011 at 9:08am
So the little one doesnt seem to enjoy the sleeping.

I'll take any advice!

I swear i'm not over tiring him, hes up for 30min - 1hr MAX and then back into bed and he just lies there awake cooing and wiggling until he's overtired and then cries and then is a demon to settle.

He'll occasionally fall asleep feeding and occasionally fall asleep being cuddled, not often though. He'll absolutely fall asleep in the stroller (he has his first sleep of the day while i go for a walk) but won't stay asleep when it stops.

I'm not even wanting him to self settle since he's so teeny but i would like him to sleep!

tried: swaddling tigher and loser and not at all, white noise, shhh patting, rocking (works while still rocking), lying with him, white noise, music, lying him on his side, lying him on his side and shhing him, putting him down and walking away (leads to an hour + of cooing to himself then crying).

Am hesitant to let him CIO but am ok with letting him grizzle however grizzling rapidly escualtes into crying which becomes inconsolable screaming quite quickly.

Maybe he doesnt need that much sleep? Thats a lie...of course he does. right?
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wait any advice but a dummy he has tounge tie and latching issues really dont want to mess with it
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When you put him down are you sure he has no wind? My DD used to lie there for ages cooing away and it was cause she had a tiny tiny wee burp inside her! Once that was up she went to sleep pretty good. Me eating dairy was the main cause, also cucumber and stonefruit. Good luck

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wind is my best guess too, i try and get it all up and he is a windy bub. might look at the dairy been suggested to me before. cucumber is a new one though! thanks for the advice.
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What about using a moby or frontpack or something? (obviously just for day sleeps). It was a saviour in our house - I'd try naps in his bassinet every morning but he'd only sleep for half an hour max at a time, and put him in the moby to have a decent sleep in the afternoon.
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Anything that makes you burp/windy will make him burp/windy too. You need to go dairy free for at least two weeks for it to get out of your system. I can eat cheese and yoghurt occasionally as they dont seem to do much but if I have milk she gets plenty of wind- still at 10months old!

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I will give it a shot, i am not a big dairy eater anyway and his father is lactose intolerant so i'm used to it!

I have a manduca on order so as soon as that arrives hopefully he will have a kip on me, good thinking Auntie Sarah.

He sleeps fine at night its just during the day so im not too fussed for my sake but the poor wee guy must be getting so tired i feel for him!
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You may want to have a chat to someone before you go cutting dairy out of your diet, doctor, midwife, etc... I actually got told off by my GP for cutting it out as the calcium is very important for me specifically but when DD was NB if I ate dairy it affected her wind, poos, etc. So I 'wasn't allowed' to cut it from my diet. Now days we think DD has a dairy intolerance but still waiting to see the GP about it as she won't do anything about it and keeps assuring me that if she does she'll grow out of it.

I second the wearing in a front pack idea and making sure the room isn't too over stimulating. Tbh it was easier to just get them to sleep anyway you could in the early days and once they get to about 3 months-ish you can look at breaking those habits.
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mmmmmmm can't offer any advice as dd was the same had VERY little sleep as a nb and somedays didn't even have a day sleep.
I found her easiest to settle to sleep while walking and drive but hey can't go and do that all day.
Nothing I tryed worked I even left her with my Mum for the day as she didn't believe me said I must of been doing smething wrong and what do ya know she didn't sleep easy for her either.
Now dd is 6months old and only now has she sorted the sleeping out. but she still requires me to boobie feed her to sleep or cuddle/rock to sleep. I don't believe in Self settling or Crying. and everyone tryed to tell me this is the reason she won't sleep and that if i let her work herself up enough she would fall asleep?? Tho that is one thing i didn't try (??)
All I can say is it WILL get better, hang in there!
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I second the carrier, DS was the same and would have really good sleeps on me.

I would try cutting out caffeine, lots of potatoes, cabbage, beans, corn, spicy food, too much citrus, chocolate ( is bad for wind ) first before cutting out dairy and/or wheat.

DD reacted to all of the above and as long as I didn't have any she'd be fine. However DS reactes to dairy so have had to cut that out.

There are also plenty of other ways of getting calcium in your diet so don't be put off by that. Most rice/soy milk has calcium too.



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Funnily enough i only just started eating dairy because i wanted to boost the calcium! As his dad is lactose intolerant i havent had it in the house for months - i will chat to the m/w about it tomorrow though as my diet is atrocious as it is - thanks for bringing that up lil_nic

I don't care how he gets to sleep or what i have to do to do it - habits be dammed surely its more important that he sleeps?

Of course having made this post i've been feeding him like a mad thing all day and he's been sleeping quite well this arvo, even if only for 30min max. Could this be a growth spurt?

Will just keep rolling with it i guess, thanks for all the replies and advice everyone
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Not any new suggestions, but I just wanted to add a note about the dairy, it actually takes 6-8 weeks to get out of your and bubs system (turns out DD is allergic to wheat, dairy, egg, soy and peanuts) if you swap dairy for soy then you will still get enough calcium if you eat a varied and balanced diet, but if you feel you dont then you can get supplements (since I cant have dairy or soy then Im on 1000mg a day as decided by the dietitian).
I def recommend having a chat to your GP or similar if you do plan on cutting something major out of your diet.
Oh have you tried gripe water (or something similar?) I found the odd time DD had a trapped bubble then it was magic!


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I also would say put him in a Moby/Manduca. Only thing that worked for DS2 at that age, and then about a month later, he is self settling like a pro!
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Vibrating rockers are magic for getting babies to sleep. My DS was like that for a long time he would only sleep when rocked and then when I put him down he would wake straight up again, or wake after 10 mins, 45 min max. Once I got the vibrating rocker it was great because I could put him down somewhere and he's actually be happy and nod off. I assume swings work the same but my DS never liked the swing.

I agree that during those first 3 months you do whatever you have to to get them to sleep and don't worry. My DS was terrible at first and now he self settles for the majority of his sleeps and he just started doing that when he was ready to, without too much effort on my part, and I did the rocking, patting, pram, driving in the car, rocking the bassinette, feeding to sleep etc etc etc but they have not become lasting habits. So I say do whatever you have to do.

Also, I found putting him in his room for day sleeps helped massively as there were no distractions and also having a routine I followed every day for sleeps ie. he go downstairs to his room, nappy change, swaddle, feed, cuddle a bit and then go to bed. He knows what is expected of him that way and now due to habit he's usually out like a light.

Also I found I would try something once then presume it didn't work if I didn't succeed right away, but it's a good idea to try something for a while. I have the radio on for every sleep for DS as some background noise and I find it helps him to settle if he does wake up.

Miracle blanket is also legendary. I would wrap rather than not wrap personally, less distractions from feet and hands etc hehe. I didnt wrap for day sleeps at first and his sleeps got much better when I started to.
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Also, because DS was so tired from not sleeping during the day, he slept most of the night, and people would say oh well thats good then, at least he sleeps through the night doesn't matter about the day time. But I knew that it wasn't good for him and that he was unhappy and grizzly without his sleeps, so I would have preferred to get up more in the night if it meant he slept in the day. So I think he probably does need the sleep. My DS used to stay awake all day but then when I finally got it sorted he sleeps 3 hours in the morning 3 in the afternoon with a shorter nap later and that is at 3 months, so he definitely did need the sleep he just couldn't get it.
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Wow, heaps of good points there, i've been swaddling him after his feed instead of before, never thought of doing it that way around will try that as he's normally a bit more dopey after eating. And i've been doing day feeds in the busy noisy lounge and night feeds in the quiet room to encourage him knowing the difference but maybe i should try all feeds in his room too.

Onwards with the battle!
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