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    Posted: 05 August 2010 at 7:57am
So here's the thing...

My MIL is offering us to try and buy our first home. She wants me and DP to get a morgage around 98,000 and they will put a deposit or around 40,000 into it. We have worked out our budget and it seems ok to do and even cheaper then renting. We would make sure we have some money left over so we could start doing the house up

But....Im not sure if im ready to own our first home as im only 19 and DP is comming up 20 in October, We also have a 3 month old son DP really wants to do it but im quite unsure, Me and his MIL only get on sometimes as she is very stuck up and wants us to live our life like she does and if we do something she dosnt like hell breaks lose. I know this is the only opportunity we will ever get as this is a one time offer only.

But do we do it ?..With a MIL that i dont really get on with that will interfere all the time no matter what me and DP say, and she think she will have the right because she is lending us the deposit, (We will have to give it back once we decided to sell the house down the track) . .... She also told DP to tell me he's doing it no matter what i say . of course he's not but do i risk letting them be involved with it as they are lending the money knowing exactly what she is like ? I could tell her to back off abit but she never listens
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Why doesn't she just buy the house in her name & you pay them rent?

If you don't get on with MIL I'd lay some really serious ground rules first.
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If you do go ahead with it, I would get it written up in a legal agreement, especially regarding repayment of the deposit etc. It can save a lot of heartache. But you need to decide if you can live with your MIL there all the time. It is an awesome opportunity, and I would recommend home ownership to anyone, but not at the price of your happiness.

One thing I have learnt recently however, is that family and money don't always mix
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I've done something similar, but I'm in an incredibly strong marriage and have awesome inlaws. We own our house, the land is 'on loan' but in our name. (It was sitting around spare). When we sell up the value of the land goes back to the inlaws. I love that we can afford to live on one income with a mortgage, it gives our wee family an awesome start and us alot of financial breathing space which is hard to come by these days, BUT as I said above, awesome inlaws.

If you and your partner are super positive about moving forward together, I would seriously consider it. Just try and find another place on the other side of town And have an independent lawyer draw up the paperwork, with every possible senario.
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AandCsmum- Because they are wanting us to own our own home and this age so when we do decided to move we have something behind us and have abit of money also .

minik8e- The MIL wouldn't be living with us, but she would always interfere.

Flake- Yeah we would get everything drawn up at the lawyers so it was all legal so now arguments could be caused. But the thing is....do i take an offer from a MIL that thinks so badly about me and hope that things dont get bad between us, or worse in that matter
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I personally wouldn't. The relationship with your IL's doesn't sound great and something like this would probably only make it worse.

She may forever make you feel like you are forever indebted to her because of it. She may feel like she can have a say in what/if you do anything to the property.

 

My relationship with the IL's sounds quite similar and if they were to offer us that kind of deal I would turn it down. Although with my MIL she tends to use money and gifts as leverage tools and measures love/caring with the price of a gift IYGWIM.

 

Tread carefully is all I'm saying really.

 
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Personally I would only do it if I had a fantastic relationship with my in-laws. It doesn't sound like you do and I fear it would cause a lot of problems.

A hard opportunityt to walk away from though I guess.
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I wouldn't either personally. Just because of the relationship you've described. I like A&Cs suggestion of her buying and you paying her rent... But if things go pear shape it could get very tricky and stressful iygwim.

Are you able to wait a few months? Try and improve the relationship with your MIL?

It's a great offer, my mum offered the same thing to DP and I that A&Cs mum suggested, she buy a home and we pay rent and if we like we could later buy the remaining amount from her if that makes sense. We've turned it down though as our lives are rather busy atm with study and a baby and we want to hold off a couple/few more years first.

But the other thing is have you looked at welcome home loans, one of the girls from my due in thread told us about it and it sounds pretty good. Kiwibank WHL link.
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Will your MIL interfere anyways? Sounds like she will?
I'd say go for it, but do get everything written down and done through your lawyers.
It is a great opportunity and it means you have an investment and if you decide to sell down the line you'll have capital gains to get something better.

My Dad helped us with our deposit and all I had to do was sign an agreement with his solicitor that the money would be repaid when requested/on demand.

Your MIL sounds like PITA regardless, why not use her $$ to get yourselves ahead?

 


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We did something similar - my in laws were selling up their rentals and there was one they thought would be great for us (good area, reasonable size, a bit of a fixer-upper, but nothing major). Since we didn't have enough for a deposit they gifted us $40,000 so we could buy it off them. It's been great so far and we would not have otherwise been able to get our foot in the door in the property market.

I was concerned at first because I thought I would feel indebted to them (my parents are very much count the debt kind of people ie) if you owe them something - even just $20 - they bring it up all the time) but the inlaws are genuinely generous people and just wanted us to have a secure start to our married life, and that issue was something I had to get over!

So I would assess the reasons for your MIL doing this - is she genuinely doing it out of love and care for you and your family, or is she doing it so she can have something over you.

From a purely financial POV, I would say go for it - its hard to buy a house on your own these days, especially if you don't want to slum it, and you have kids to look after as well. But a mortgage is also a long term commitment and if you feel like it's going to cause problems with your family then by all means tread carefully!
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We did it. And my relationship with them was dodgy back then. Very dodgy. But it got us our first home and we paid the money back and it gave us the opportunity to have our foot in the door. Getting that first loan and the equity behind you is a big thing. We now have three houses and looking at a fourth. I grinned and beared it at first as deep down it was a generous offer and although they weren't doing it to help me as such they wanted a stable environment for their grandchildren. Now that I am older we get along much better and I am now grateful for what they did although at the time I felt like I was being bought and manipulated.

Ours was only 10,000 not 40,000(only needed that much 10 years ago) so that is a bit different. Also that first house was not a home. I never felt like it was ours so I was glad to sell it and move on. I would say go for it. Bite your tongue and look at it as a short term venture. When the market bounces back and you have enough equity to move on without the $40,000 you will then be able to enjoy your home. It is not often that 40000 dollars interest free gets offered to you. At least you won't be at a landlords mercy and have to move out when they decide to sell the house and wait for maintenance etc. (not that all landlords are bad as I am now one lol) Also my inlaws had to sign a document that it was a gift otherwise the banks calculated it as a loan and therefore it acted against your credit application. So although we paid it back and that was the informal arrangement they had to sign saying that it wasn't.

Hope that helps. As someone who has been in almost the exact situation (I was 21) and not knowing your run ins with the inlaws (however we had some pretty hairy moments) I would do it again.
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if you are concerned you can do it on a welcome home loan. if you go to sorted.org.nz it will tell you how much more it will cost. we bought last year at about $160000. It costs us $217 a week which for a 3 bedroom house 700m2 it is much cheaper than renting. So it definitely is still doable.

I would sit down and have an honest chat with you mil about your concerns before you agree to go ahead with it, but when it comes down to it, it will be your house in name as well you you will definitely be able to have a say.

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Originally posted by MamaT MamaT wrote:

I personally wouldn't. The relationship with your IL's doesn't sound great and something like this would probably only make it worse.


She may forever make you feel like you are forever indebted to her because of it. She may feel like she can have a say in what/if you do anything to the property.


 


My relationship with the IL's sounds quite similar and if they were to offer us that kind of deal I would turn it down. Although with my MIL she tends to use money and gifts as leverage tools and measures love/caring with the price of a gift IYGWIM.


 


Tread carefully is all I'm saying really.



I agree with all of this.
I personally wouldnt do it...


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A friend of ours. about the same age as you guys are. did the same thing not that long ago. His father got them into a house by giving them a large deposit. The father wasn't too fussed on the girl and made her life difficult for them and soon after they broke up. They also have a wee boy.I'm not saying it will happen to you but money can make the simplist situation difficult if someone can hold that over your head.

 I personally wouldn;t do it as even though you get things written up at a lawyers (which will cost money) what happens if she doesn;t agree to it?

Why not just keep saving and get your own home on your own. Thay way no one can hold anything against you and you will appreciated it more cos you did it on your own.

 

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Just looking at the ASB calculators (simply because I like those best), it's a $115 per fortnight difference between having a 98000 mortgage and the 40k deposit, and buying the 128000 home with no deposit. If you really dislike the MIL, I'd say no. If you think you can handle it, well hey it would be a great way to get ahead. God I wish we got help like that!
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Thanks everyone My DP told the MIL last night that we were very appreciate the offer but don't think it's the right time for us. I bet i will get an ear full the next time we see her
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