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Topic: Coffee Catchup 21st October with Dorothy Waide Posted: 14 October 2013 at 12:54pm |
OHbaby! Coffee Catchup - Auckland 21st October. Feel free to ask questions and Dorothy will reply when she can.
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TraceyHazell101155
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Posted: 21 October 2013 at 9:21pm |
Hi Dorothy, Thank you for an informative talk today. My 13 week old son never sleeps more than 45 mins for his daytime sleeps. In saying that though I don't try to resettle him as you suggested today after the 45mins. I feed him every two hours during the day and am exclusively breastfeeding. He has a bath at 5 every night then is always asleep by 6.30. He then wakes again at 12, then 5am. Our day usually starts at 7am (in terms of getting up) Do you have any suggestions on improving any of the above? It for the most part works, however as the day goes on he becomes harder to get to sleep. We only put him to sleep in his cot. Would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you again Tracey
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Posted: 23 October 2013 at 1:42am |
Hi Dorothy,
During the day when they are up for the certain length for whatever age, do you actually keep them awake for this time even if they want to sleep? My boy is 5 weeks and will often fall asleep again after waking for a feed, or if he has trapped wind he might cry himself to sleep as i try to work it out. Should I be waking him and trying to keep him awake for that hour before letting him go back to sleep?
Thank you for all the information on Monday. It was great.
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Posted: 23 October 2013 at 10:58am |
Hi Dorothy
If bubs wakes after one sleep cycle and you need to resettle in the push chair how long would you trying rocking the push chair back and forth before trying another technique? 20-30 mins? Would you attempt to shush/cup in push chair? I am just thinking it would logistically be hard to get bubs on his side or tummy to undertake cupping resettling especially when he is strapped in.
On a light hearted note any tips on dealing with the public looking at you disapproving for the disruption :)
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Posted: 23 October 2013 at 4:37pm |
Hi Dorothy
I was relieved to hear during your talk that so many other babies also wake after the first 45min of their daytime naps! Since about 8 weeks my daughter (13 weeks) hasn't gone past the 45min mark during the day unless we are out and she is being pushed in the pram.
I have been sitting with Ava during her naps today so that I could see when she started waking and then resettling her as best I could (using a dummy and stroking her forehead, which is how I sometimes put her to sleep to start with). Both times she seemed to doze for up to 1 hour after her initial wake up, with me having to put the dummy back in a few times or do some more patting/forehead stroking from time to time, but she didn't appear to go properly back into a deep sleep (she had her eyes open a crack almost all the time and was actively sucking on the dummy the whole time). Is this dozing of any 'sleep value'?
Another question I would like to ask (I will be the cheeky one out of this group with the extra one!) is about night time sleep. Ava had been sleeping a good 5-6 hour stretch at night until about 10 days ago but has started waking every hour or two until her night feed. In total she will wake between 4 and 8 times per night now. She goes back to sleep very quickly if I give her the dummy but the interrupted sleep is driving me nuts! Any thoughts on why she might be doing this?!
Many thanks! Sue
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Posted: 27 October 2013 at 1:09am |
Hi Tracey Babies need two nutrients sleep and food and ideally at 13 weeks you are teaching him to resettle during his nap times. At 13 weeks his awake time would ideally be approximately 1 1/2 to 1 3/4's stretching out to when he is six months to 3 hours.
When he wakes I would feed him and then 15 minutes before going for a nap I would offer him a top up. This will not cause a feed/sleep association as long as you feed, swaddle or sleeping bag and then into his cot.
When he wakes at the 45 minute mark I would suggest that you try and resettle by going in as soon as he stirs and help him find his sleep again. I do this with cupping and shushing and it is easier if you roll him onto his side. YOu will need to do the cupping and shushing until he goes back to sleep. YOu can also do this in arms if he does not re settle in his cot.
If you are wanting him to resettle during the night then you need to teach him during his nap times
Hope that helps Dorothy
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Posted: 27 October 2013 at 1:14am |
Hi as your baby is only 5 weeks old he may only want to be awake for 45 minutes to an hour. I do try and keep them up for a certain amount of time If he is waking and then falling straight to sleep on the breast then I would think he hasn't had enough sleep so my question would be how long has his nap been. Ideally he is napping for around 1 1/2 hours and if he wakes before this then I would resettle him. It is easier to resettle at this age in arms, however if he is in his cot when you hear him stirring i would go in and cup and shush him back to sleep. Dorothy
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Posted: 27 October 2013 at 1:18am |
Hi I would always try and resettle in the cot, however if you are out and about in the pram I would attempt to resettle the same amount of time as if he was in his cot at home.
IF he doesnt settle with movement, then I would tend to pick him up and settle in arms, cover him with a muslin and do the cupping and shushing in arms. This way it stops the public looking at your disapproving as baby is in arms Dorothy
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Posted: 27 October 2013 at 1:33am |
HI Sue Over time that dozing will become deeper so I would suggest just working at it and eventually she will go from one cycle to the next with less waking and light sleeping. ANd yes dozing does have sleep value.
With regard to the night waking I would look at the daytime routine - how long is her awake times. Ideally at her age her awake times will be around 1 1/2 hours stretching to 1 3/4. By the time she is six months ideally he awake times will be 3 hours and 2 naps around 1 1/2 hours per nap.
I would also suggest that you offer her a top up before going back to bed for her naps. This will not cause a feed/sleep association as long as you feed, swaddle or sleeping bag and then bed.
When you put her to bed allow her some time to self settle and if she doesn't then intervene with the dummy and cupping/stroking forehead.
Over night try not to run straight into her when you hear her and give her some time to resettle. IF she doesnt resettle then offer her the dummy and stay with her until she goes back to sleep. Dorothy
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Posted: 27 October 2013 at 1:34am |
Hi Ladies Thank you for all your questions and hopefully the answers will help you. It was lovely to meet you all at the OHBaby Coffee Catchup.
Remember before you do anything STOP, THINK, and ACT – work out what you are doing, why you are doing, and what you are trying to accomplish and then act.
Remember YOU are the baby’s mum and so listen to your heart and instinct. Yes, we all don’t do it by the book, or get it right the first time, but you need to make ‘mistakes’ to get it right for you. It’s a time of learning a little person’s personality and figuring out what works for your home life.
If you have the time I would love to see you pop over to http://www.facebook.com/BabyWithin and 'like' it. You can then keep up with information that I post from time to time or hear from other mothers who write on the wall. Also there is a section you can leave your comments on as well.
Please remember as a parent or carer that you should understand and acknowledge that Dorothy is NOT a licensed medical doctor or other licensed medical provider and the information that I share with you has come from experience and working with numerous families and babies and toddlers
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Posted: 27 October 2013 at 2:11am |
Hi Dorothy Hopefully this works as when I visited last it said it had expired. I am aiming to keep Gibsons (9 weeks) awake time to 1 1/2 hours as per your suggestion. Over this week it has been hard to get him sleeping through the day. Today especially pretty much no sleep, spent ages trying to resettle, cup in his basket and he pretty much only slept for approx 1 hour in his capsule when I went out. The whole routine (I say that loosely) was stuffed so he got to bed at 9pm. Usually I try to get him to bed by 7pm at latest - and he's pretty good at nights. I realise I can't make him sleep but what do I do with feeding etc if he won't sleep - I can't keep feeding him because he's awake. I give him a chance to find his sleep and he can lay for 1/2 hour awake not crying just grunting and thrashing around, then I can try to settle which may work and he sleeps for 5 mins but wakes again as us wide awake though very tired. Then the other day is settled him around the 1 hour mark and he napped fir 3 1/2 hours, this was late in the avo so blew the routine out if the water. Is this normal to be all over the place? How can I get him to sleep. Cheers Monique
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Posted: 27 October 2013 at 8:35am |
HI Monique Yes, I also had issues trying to post replies earlier in the week but seems to be working okay so if anyone else had these issues please retry and let me know that the post was late due to the system.
At 9 weeks as he is not settling in his cot I would do this in arms. So basically this is what his routine would look like. Also at 9 weeks pull the 1 1/2 hours back to 1 1/4 and see if that helps. Hold it there for ten days and if it working better then hold for another and then stretch out to the 1 1/2 so he is there by 12 weeks.
Wakes, feeds, cuddle/play, top up (15 mins before going back to bed), swaddle and into cot.
Leave for an appropriate time - if he is just lying there and not grizzling leave for up to 20 minutes and then go in and turn on his side and cup. Here you have two options cup until he is in a deep sleep or pick him up and engulf him and do the cupping in arms. Leave him to sleep in your arms and then when ever he stirs start the cupping again so eventually he learns to stay asleep. Once you have accomplished teaching him to stay asleep the next goal would be to do it in the cot.
During the day you ideally need to feed anywhere from 3 1/4 hours to 4 hours so you would wake him to do this. Once a day okay to give him a longer nap as long as he has had enough feeds.
Yes, very normal to be doing this as at his age the routine is not about what the time is but that he is up for approx 1 1/4 hours and napping for approx 1 1/2 hours. His awake time as I mentioned above would be he wakes, you feed, cuddle/play, top up and then into bed. His napping time will consist of getting him to sleep and staying asleep Dorothy
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