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    Posted: 27 March 2007 at 10:34am
Hi ya,

So this is my first time here so "Hi" to everyone!

I am a bit scared at the moment. With first child (He is now 4 yrs) had severe PND. Was on meds till Oct last year. Always wanted to have heaps of kids but PND kinda got in they way. DH and I are trying to get pregnant right now.

Was wondering if there was anyone out there that had PND and went on to having another child. What were your experiences etc.

Thanks for your help.

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Hi Bee,

Sorry I don't really know anything about PND, but from what I understand, just because you get it with one child - doesn't mean you'll get it with the next (Brooke Shields for example, got it with her first child but not the second - I think anyway ) And at least if it does happen, then you will probably pick up on the signs earlier and take action sooner.

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Hi Amber,

Thanks for the reply. I was beginning to think I was alone in the world.


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I have PND and am still on meds and at the moment we are TTC #2 we just cannot wait fertility issues you see.

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Hi Bee, I just wanted to echo what Amber said
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Hi Bee, I have had PND/depression/anxity issues (unmedicated) since our 1st babe, have just recently gone to dr to get some help as there was just far too many bad days compared to good and we are still wanting to have at least 1 more baby. As others have said just because you had pnd with 1 nothing to say you will automatically get it again. Although it is a scary thought, its always comforting to know that there are so many people in/have been in a similar situation and there is almost always someone on here that you can talk to. Good luck with ttc. See you around
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Morning Ladies.

Thanks for making me feel so welcome. I guess I am just over analysing things (as usual). Just need to relax and go with the flow.

Kerryn, I do hope that you begin to see a light at the end of that dark tunnel. I still battle everyday, but doc told me betta to be off meds if i can.....

Jess, I'll be thinkin of ya too.

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Good luck with TTC! Re: PND, a friend's mother had PND with him, but was fine for #2. I guess it's one of those things, anyone could get it and because it's a hormonal thing, you don't necessarily have a disposition to it just because you've had it before. I think.. anyway

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Hi there, I had PND after I had my oldest, who is turning 4 this year. I think the first thing you have to do is consider your support networks and how your hubby and you got through it last time, and also being able to recognise syptoms or signs that things are starting to turn a bit pear-shaped and you need some time out. The first 6 months of Paris's life went by in a black haze of which most i cannot remember. There were alot of other issues around healthprobs and feeding probs with that which i think complicated it. Since then we have learnt to work together, after i finally told miek what i was going through.. he'd had no idea and was so sad that i was worried he'd think i was cuckoo and pack up with baby and leave..he has been my rock, i still have some bad days, with studying it was mainly when i had alot of other things going on too and jsut got too darn tired. Tiredness and stress are my triggers.

When i found i was having #2, I was petrified. That time i got off luckily, with a heck of alot of support from family, (my sister came and stayed with us for around 3 weeks after i had Ayja), I had gotten more aware of what my triggers for depression and down days were, sadly in all that my partner became depressed instead as he did not want a 2nd child and found it extremely hard to adjust to the idea of how he could possibly fit two babies into his heart. I found it so hard and sad to watch him go through it, Can't begin to imagine how he would have felt watching me. I was overcome by this amazing "instant love" thing, for Ayja, After i had Paris i was sure the whole world was lying to me because i honestly didn't feel it, I felt numb instead. HAving a good experience with Ayja was a bit bittersweet, because then i actually knew what i had missed out on the first time.

We have just found out this week we are having our 3rd very surprise baby, and are hoping, after all this time, we have sorted out the kinks, and can support each other and work as a team as we have learnt to do through all this.. and hopefully get away without either of us having to go through it... if it happens i hope we have both learnt enough to support each other through it and i knopw our family is always there to help us out, I have learnt to swallow my pride and just ask and admit when i need help.

Good luck with TTC, it's a scary unknown road as to whether you'll get it again, how bad, etc. but the best you can do is make sure the supports are there from day one, and hope like hell it stays away and lets you enjoy your baby this time. good luck

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Thanks mum2paris.

Like yourself, my first 6-9 months dont remember, however I took an exceptionally large amount of photos so they are good to look back on.

Support network for me is a bit hard as most of my family is back in Australia (Mum, sister and little Bro) I do have my Dad and an older brother here, but they have their own lives to live. DH's parents are in Tauranga and his sister is currently travelling overseas. Apart from that there isn't really anyone else....Apart from OhBaby of course!!!!!

We are going to give it a shot. We would have loved for Ethan to have a sister or brother by now, but PND kinda got in the way....

Anyhoo, if I need meds or whatever after this, then so be it. But I am going to try and focus on this being positive!!
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Originally posted by emz emz wrote:

Good luck with TTC! Re: PND, a friend's mother had PND with him, but was fine for #2. I guess it's one of those things, anyone could get it and because it's a hormonal thing, you don't necessarily have a disposition to it just because you've had it before. I think.. anyway


Unfortunately if you have had PND once, you are statistically more likely to get it again than someone who has never had it. The same goes for people with a history of general depression.

That said, it doesn't mean that you WILL get it. I have had clinical depression on and off all my adult life and yet I haven't had PND at all. After Maya was born was actually one of the more stable periods for me. The gremlins have tested me a lot and I am currently on medication but it's not a PND thing, more a case of lots of full on things happening at the same time and me struggling to keep up.

When we were TTC #2 my doctor said it would be better for the pregnancy if I was able to be off my meds, but not a neccessity as some depression/anxiety meds are safe during pregnancy.

I think the important thing is like Janine said - the support networks you have set up. The more support you have the easier it is to reach out for help. And I've found in my own personal experience that now that I am able to recognise the onset of depression when it very first begins, I am better equipped to deal with it then rather than let it fester until I implode.
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Oh Maya that sux then doesn't it? Thanks for proving me wrong, I wasn't quite sure. So if I have normal depression (which I have had since about 16) and have a family history of the normal one, I am more likely to suffer from PND too? Sorry to hijack the thread.
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Further to emz question..

I feel that I had suffered depression all through my adult life. Having my first just seemed to bring it all to the front. My mother had also suffered depression throughout her life and still does suffer.

Support networks are really great but how does one cope when there isn't really any family around that is able to assist you when you most need it??

I totally feel for first time parents now, especially when one parent suffers from depression. There really needs to be more assistance to the first time parent who feels that he/she is totally alone.

Gone are the days when Mum was next door and grandma was two houses down and mums were at home to raise the kids. The supporrt was around then, but not now.....

Hmm, just pondering...
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this is a great place, not only is advice and support a mouse-click away, but also, you meet heaps of other great mums in your area that you can go visit and they can visit you which helps alot. Am a little freaked this time as my sister won't be able to come stay with us.    I think also second time around i MADE myself get out and about - which being a very shy person, was very hard.
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I can sympathise with making yourself get out and about being shy, I am a bit shy also. Spend too much time worrying what others think of me, than just getting out and living. And I do appreciate all of the thoughts and opinions that have been shared since I joined only last week!
mum2paris, the pictures that you have on your signature show 2 very bright, gorgeous, happy girls and you are doing a great job with the resources that you have!
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Originally posted by emz emz wrote:

Oh Maya that sux then doesn't it? Thanks for proving me wrong, I wasn't quite sure. So if I have normal depression (which I have had since about 16) and have a family history of the normal one, I am more likely to suffer from PND too? Sorry to hijack the thread.


In theory yes - but don't let it get you down! As I said, I have fairly severe clinical episodes and yet after the birth of my first bub I swung completely the other way and felt very stable and in control even tho I had a lot of triggers (eg. relationship break up). The history thing just means that the chemicals in your brain have a tendency to go screwy so are set off more easily than someone who has never had depression. But that doesn't mean you are guaranteed to get it!

Bee - mental illnesses can be totally hereditary (altho the jury's still out on whether it is genetic or environmental). We have a strong family history of depression and addiction and it has hit every generation so far at some point or another, I guess I just drew the short straw in my generation. In my teens I struggled hugely with it but I've now reached the point of acceptance - it's never going to go away so I just have to enjoy the good periods and work thru the tough ones.

Janine - you'll be fine! You are so organised! This wee bub will just slot right on in there - and don't forget you have Miss Paris to help. Maya just loves being the Big Sister. Tonight she told me she is teaching her babies to talk
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Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

In my teens I struggled hugely with it but I've now reached the point of acceptance - it's never going to go away so I just have to enjoy the good periods and work thru the tough ones.


It sux going through your teenage years, with all that is going on, and then there is the depression factor.

I am beginning to adopt te above thought of getting through the bad, but enjoing the good.

Thanks Maya
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Even if you don't have much family support there are other places you can look. Adopting a "grandma" can really help out, someone who has been there before who can ask how you are doing and help out with the baby when it all gets too much. I have a lot of friends older than me and they love to hang around my girls, gives me a much-needed break sometimes!
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Funnily enough when I've had a lot of stress going on I've found the most support here. I don't have family in Auckland (well I do but I don't like them so they don't count ) and I'm a bit of a martyr about asking for help, so OHbaby! has been a real lifeline over the years.
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