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    Posted: 04 March 2011 at 1:04pm
two days ago i moved fully to day time cloth. two days ago my good sleeper became difficult.

he is still sleeping well at night when he happens to be in sposies.

do you think he is just fastidious and is stirring and waking when he wets as the cloth stays wet and he can feel it?

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what sort of cloth nappies are you using?
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itti all in ones.

I put him back down in a sposie and havent heard a peep since, though i grant that one sleep isnt conclusive evidence.

Now what do i do? If that is in fact the problem am i screwed clothwise or would using liners help or maybe extra inserts?

He has no sign of rash or redness or anything either so i dont think the pee is hurting him to sit there, its like he objects to feeling wet!
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I would try putting a microfleece liner on top as this is a stay dry layer. So if he is objecting to the wet feel then this should eliminate that.

The other thing to look at it is the fit of the nappy itself, make sure it is comfortable on him, not digging in anywhere, not too tight around the waist or legs.
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Im confident on the fit (if anything its a teeny bit loose) but the microfleece is a great suggestion thanks!

If this is his problem...how weird!
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let us know how you get on :)
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Originally posted by bowie bowie wrote:

If this is his problem...how weird!


Its not weird, its perfectly normal. (this might come across harsh but its not) How would you feel lying in your own pee, it wouldnt be very comfortable. Babies are born being able to control their bladders, its just that we 'untrain' them to it by putting them in nappies. Have you read about EC?

I second the microfleece liners, the Itti's say they have a dry top but they dont really, plus it makes cleaning them a whole lot easier. Good luck

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I have read about it, a friend on FB is always going on about how she didnt have nappies on her son until he crawled (when it got trickier to keep tabs on him).

I didnt mean weird as in weird that he wouldnt like it - thats understandable. I meant more weird as in i'd never heard of that problem before and therefore it sounded unusual as compared to the 'common' problems for a baby not settling.

(totally off topic but asking advice from family and others the last two days before i clicked to the problem i was told to leave him to CIO - so pleased i didnt now since he would obviously be crying to tell me something not being naughty or attention seeking like they insisted. Wrong forum for that debate though!)
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naughty or attention seeking at one month old??? serious??? not a chance, that doesnt happen till around a year at the youngest! anyway you can look up peaceful parenting on FB, they are an american site, but have alot of really cool info about all sorts.

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My DD went thru the same thing after coming home from 4 days in the hospital in sposies.

I put her in her Itti SIO's straight away and there was defnitly a few days of her adjusting to "feeling" wet.

she is well and truely over it now and can go ages in her ittis without protesting. After 3 1/2 - 4 hours she wakes but I would say its more coz shes hungry lol

She still wears 2 sposies overnight, because she sleeps 5+ hours and I dont believe in waking her up (and myself for that matter) to change her. 6 hours in a sposie probably isnt great for her either but while shes not bothered im not gunna upset whats working! No sign of any irritation or a rash yet (touchwood)

Id say give your DS a chance to adjust before you panic too much, microfleece liners would certainly help too. I just use Bummi's flushable liners in my Ittis more coz im OCD about them staying pretty and nice haha

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When DS was a newborn I tried cloth too and he often seemed more unsettled everytime he had one on. I couldn't work out if it was a coincidence or not. In the end i waited till he was 4 months as I felt way more confident about what his cries etc meant by then and he seemed perfectly happy wearing them.

So maybe just give yourself another month or two with disposibles and try again and see if it makes a difference. Kind of a bummer when you're all excited about your new gorgeous nappies and can't use them immediately but I doubt it's a permanent thing, so don't worry they won't be wasted (unless you bought heaps of little ones...)
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*lurker* CIO is pure torture on a baby that young IMO its cruel. I imagine the person who came up with this doosey of a method is the same person who invented strict 4 hourly feeding routines.

Interesting about the cloth nappies as I only use them occasionally on DD I hadn't noticed she slept less but then I change them more often the sposies.

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He's also coming up to a growth spurt, could be that too??

I never noticed any difference with my boy, I was changing from flats to MCN's at that stage & microfibre type naps, didn't go into itti's til about 8 weeks.

In saying that we've just put him in sposies for night time cause he's waking & saying he's cold/wet. So maybe the cooler temps are making him wake with the nappy feeling cooler?
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Originally posted by Aethalia Aethalia wrote:

Originally posted by bowie bowie wrote:

If this is his problem...how weird!


Babies are born being able to control their bladders, its just that we 'untrain' them to it by putting them in nappies. Have you read about EC?



I'd be really interested to know where you got this info from? I'm not trying to cause an arguement at all I'd just be interested in reading some research to back that up?? My understanding from current research is bladder control is a maturational process, and that early or more frequent "training" cannot accelerate this process. Studies done on prem babies seem to support this viewpoint as even when their training begins very early and more often they still don't gain control until when would be expected by corrected age.

Sorry to threadjack Bowie!! I can't help much with your question cos we still haven't started cloth naps... soon as she stops pooing every nap we'll be onto it though ... so good luck and hope the liner does the trick
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Threadjack away! I am curious about EC anyway, like i said my friend swore by it until her son crawled at 7 months and i couldnt work out how she was doing it. I can sometimes spot a poo coming (spot it enough to leave the nappy on for 5 more min anyway!) but those wees come out of nowhere!

I am thinking now it may have been a growth spurt and a bit of a tummy ache as the sleeping got increasingly worse for about a week but is now better then before thank god. I am pretty convinced the nappys contributed to the unsettled state though they can't take all the blame!

I chucked an extra soaker in the ittis - he's an extremely heavy wetter it appears and sleeps quite long periods so with the extra soaker the itti stays dry to the touch which is great as the liners i ordered are still coming

Caliandjack - no worries i couldnt try. I let him cry for about 30 seconds (Two big WAH's) then couldnt bear it any longer and rushed in to get him - then cried on him feeling bad because he was in a bit of a state and i'm not sure i could ever leave him like that. I'm with you on that one.
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Sorry if i sound a bit doh, but was is EC? From the sounds of things it sounds a bit like potty training for newborn? What the?

Im with you on the crying. How anyone could let their bub just cry and cry I dont know. DD has her little cries that arent really cries that last 10 seconds, but you know the ones that need cuddles to fix lol

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Yes - sometimes DS has a bit of a grizzle cry, like a long drawn out waaaaaaaaaah which is just a big protest before he goes to sleep and its just one that he seems to need to get out and i don't pick him up to sort it but the purple face crying i can't bear.

EC = Elimination Communication. I guess being so in tune with your infant that you can read their cues and need to eliminate and get them to a safe place in time! I would LOVE to hear from anyone whos done it other then her with success. Not so much potty training as you're not making them go on a schedule, just reading them to see when they will i guess? Could be wrong..
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Sorry just saw this. EC is elimination communication. Basically you watch your baby for signs that they need to eliminate then you hold them over a reciptacle- a bowl, potty or toilet- then make the cue sound and they go.

Its much easier to start from birth as its easier to spot their signs- fussing, squirming, getting aggitated.

You have to be prepared to do it tho, as you do need to watch for the signs, however after a while you will notice a pattern and bubs will soon learn that when they are held in a certain position and you do the cue sound that it is time to eliminate.


Here are some links
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Tribal Baby

Edit: Also this site on FB is really good for asking questions about EC Link

And I know of someone who has done EC, and still does EC with her girl- she is now 13 months old.

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