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    Posted: 22 February 2009 at 2:46pm
I find that little Eva pushes herself off my boob when I try and latch her on properly, like she doesn't want all the boob in her mouth, she doesn't just suck on the nipple but doesn't have as much boob in her mouth as she should. I also find that after half way though the feed she push off and then try and get back on but won't open her mouth fully, she will just keep trying to suck straight away.

I am worried that she is learning bad habits, anyone got any suggestions or had anything similar?

I don't have small boobs, they are a DD and the milk flows very well, sometimes my boobs get really full but the MW said if I keep expressing off before I feed her the milk supply wont adjust for her needs so not sure what to do, do I express so she can latch on better or not express before so that my supply is correct for her needs.
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Can you just give them a wee squeeze around the nipple area just to make that bit smaller for her? I know the first week or so they get so tight and sore but I found if I just (gently) sqeeze around the nipple/areola then it isn't enough to increase supply but it makes it easier for a little mouth to get around.
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Yup she may well be learning bad habits, my little guy used to (and sometimes still does when he's feeling lazy) just try to hoover the nipple in without latching properly. I have small boobs so my experience isn't exactly the same as yours, but I used to just take him off and try to be patient, hold him just far enough away from the nipple so he wouldn't do the hoovering thing and act fast and shove him on when he did open wide - and take him off and try again if it didn't work. He'd get a bit antsy when I did that but you can't give in (Hard I know when you've got milk pouring out - a flat nappy is useful when you're both learning!)

You should still be eligible for a free visit from a lactation consultant - so ask your midwife in the first instance (she's likely to have some good advice for latching DD on anyway) and if necessary she can refer you to the LC.

Congratulations on your wee angel - she's gorgeous!

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Oh yeah, and what Chickoin said! Grabbing around the nipple to make a kind of oval shape to make it easier for them to latch is also useful - just make sure you let go once she's properly latched otherwise you could end up with blocked ducts.

AND your supply will naturally settle down in a few weeks anyway - I wouldn't worry about stimulating it too much at this stage. Trust me, too much is better than not enough (and you can take advantage of it to build up a bit of a supply of EBM in the freezer).

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I have quite big boobies as well, and didn't think that J was taking in enough areola, but he was, also I had to gently push down around his nose to make sure he was able to breathe. Also i have always needed to hold my boob underneath it while he was feeding to keep it steady. I find he latches much better if I'm holding it.
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And what weegee said about what I said, I had to hold my boob with the opposite hand. Just two fingers, one on top of the areola (above bub's top lip) and one under to get it into an easier shape for Jody to get her mouth around, like how you squash a hamburger. I would hold onto it gently for about half of the feed then the boob would be deflated enough for me to let go.
And also what Jo said, it helps to keep baby's nose clear.
The first 2 weeks were the hardest for me but at 3 weeks it all magically got better and now I don't even have to think about latching, Jody just sucks on like a hoover!

ETA, when you feed make sure you aren't touching the back of her head either as it is instinct for them to push back.

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I'm experiencing something similar to you Mel.
I try to latch Mika on, but she almost immediately lets go and it's like she only wants to latch herself on. Which in the beginning I think she does reasonably well. But often she changes halfway through her feed, so that she only has the nipple. When I take her off (which is quite a fight in itself!) she refuses to take the boob again. Like she's punishing me for taking her off in the first place.
I'm now torn between giving her a proper feed and the fear of instilling bad habits.

BF seems to easy when to tell you how to do it BEFORE the baby is born. They just don't tell you that some babies refuse to cooperate .

My boobs are DD too. Like JoJames I wonder if she takes enough aureola (when she does latch on properly), but she can't seem to take more than she does, and I also often push down around her nose to enable her to breathe.
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Thanks so much for the replies. I hold my boob as I find if I let go it moves and I feel like she only has nipple in her mouth and not enough areola but the MW said not to hold my boob in case I get blocked ducts. I also have to let her breath as the boob covers her nose.

I think I do hold the back of her head a bit so need to ensure I am not doing that. I will speak to the MW on Tuesday to get her to watch and maybe get an appointment with a LC, I didn't realise you can get a first appointment for free.

Thanks for the comments about Eva too

Ella maybe it is these Feb girl babies, Eva wants to latch herself on all the time, half way through the feed she refuses to open her mouth and just keeps sucking constantly like she is already latched as soon as I put my boob near her mouth! It is like a game of cat and mouse to try and get it in her mouth.

ETA the MW said not to express to get a supply in the freezer as it will make me keep producing more which I don't want. I was quite keen to get a supply in the freezer.

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Campbell, my little one, has been having issues latching on too. He's been better this weekend, but before then was alternating between screaming, falling asleep and searching for the nipple, but not latching properly. Very frustrating! He has been jaundiced (was in hospital for 8 days after he was born) and was born nearly 4 weeks early, which doesn't help. I had to express and syringe feed him a few times last week, he was that fussy and MW wanted to make sure my supply kept up.

Maybe for you, Mel, just hand expressing off a tiny bit will help her latch better.
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I had the same problems and it does improve.  Also, it might pay to latch her on, once the milk starts flowing off, pull her off for a minute and let some of the milk leak onto a flannel and then relatch her.  That way she isnt getting blasted off!  I have to do that with James.  I also thought that expressing a little off before feeding her if your boobs are really full would be ok.  Once her latching improves the milk will settle down more.  Its always better to have too much than too little (IMO)
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If you alternate where you push down for breathing you shouldn't get blocked ducts, also when holding your boobie for stability I hold with quite a flat palm if that makes sense and I've never had a blocked duct, good luck
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My midwife told me to express a little before feeding if it's been a while between feeds and my boobs are really full. It's good to know that everyone has the same problems huh! So important to get them on right as I've discovered the hard way, my nipples are so sore AND I have blocked ducts in both breasts It's so tempting just to let them stay on wrong though when it's middle of the night and you can't stop them crying.

Oh also, Stu pushes off halfway through a feed often too, I chuck him over my shoulder and try to burp him (which it seems I'm not very good at but that's another story) and then go back and he seems to go back on better.
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OT but Sarah - I was given this advice when I was having problems burping my little man. After the feed (or halfway through when he comes off wanting a burp, as mine did and yours does), keep him lying down and rub his tummy with a circular motion in a clockwise direction for 20-30 seconds (I count to 30 circles or 20 if he's being really squirmy). Then stretch him out upright for a moment before trying to burp him whichever way suits you (on your shoulder, 'sitting', or I had lots of success lying him down across my thigh).

Saved my life, made burping much more efficient!

Sorry to TJ, as you were

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I have wind problems too, I stopped having dairy in case that was making her problems worse, I have found that she is a bit better with winding, haven't tried rubbing the tummy so will try that.

Today I have tried some cheese to see if it makes her worse or if it was just her tummy etc getting use to being used... the MW said she thought it was just her getting used to milk and using her digestive system.
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