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    Posted: 21 August 2011 at 4:25pm
We're trying VR for day time naps as DD is a terrible day time sleeper and will only go down for a short time with lots of help. We put her down awake but now she is getting so worked up that there is no way she will go to sleep. I am struggling to sit here and listen to the screaming. Tips and advice from people who have tried this method would be very welcome. If anyone with a baby who also hates sleeping during the day has any advice, we'd also love to hear it. DD is nearly 1 and really shouldnt be needing help each day time sleep. Problem is, whatever we manage at home is only likely to get messed up at day care, unless we can get it working in the 4 days I have at home with her.

OK, deep breath, walk into her room, say a reassuring phrase and walk out again. Then start the vacuum cleaner as white noise so I cant hear her!

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It cant be good for her to lie there screaming so much. She is so distressed and worked up. I feel like I am doing the wrong this here.

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Hang in there if you can! I know how hard it is. We did VR with DD for night sleeps a few months ago, the first night was agonising.

It is hard but is worth it in the end.

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If you don't like the screaming then don't do it as it's very hard on you. I tried it and gave up as this method does not work for us. Sorry, can't help with any advice but just wanted to say that this method doesn't always work and you are finding it difficult then maybe it isn't for you.
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Agree with fairy, VR didn't work for us either, all it did was wind DD up further and there's no way she'll go to sleep in that state.

How much nap time does she get at daycare? Is she maybe trying to drop a nap?

Has she always needed help for day sleeps?

With DD is she won't settle for her day sleep I get her up and try again 1/2 hour later for us the only thing that seems to work to keep her calm is distraction eventually she'll be tired enough she'll sleep, trying to get her to sleep when she doesn't want to is impossible and not worth the stress for either of us.

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Maybe VR isnt for either of us. DD wouldnt sleep and we got her up after an hour of crying.

Let me give a bit more background and answer some of caliandjacks questions.

DD has always been a bad day time sleeper, we struggle to get her to self settle and she has between 20 - 60 mins sleep in any one nap, and might only have a couple of naps a day. She did used to sleep a bit longer when she was younger, but not significantly. She has always needed rocking or feeding for day sleeps. Night time is totally different, she will usually settle herself and sleep for 11-12 hours with one feed around 4am. I know by now she shouldnt need a night feed,but she does feed, she doesnt just latch on for comfort and to get back to sleep, though she does eventually feed herself to sleep.

Day care naps range from 20 -60 minutes as well but she seems to have more naps there than at home. Sometimes they rock her and sometimes they claim to put her down and she falls asleep right away. They seem to be using a bouncer/rocker more now in the afternoons for her sleep.

This reliance on me to get to sleep is getting me down though. She does need her sleep (maybe not as many hours as some babies though) but just wont give up and nod off. I am happy for her to have one nap or two, as long as she wakes refreshed and happy. I dont get anything done during the day as a 20 minute sleep gives me little chance to do anything.

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Man, isn't their sleeping the most stressful part of having children!    DS was a shocking day sleeper as a baby, but slept reasonably well at night. Now that he is older, day sleeps are usually good, but we have 2-3 wake ups at night. So I can't win it seems

He has had periods where I have had to help him get to sleep, either by a car ride or rocking. Usually this is just a phase though and eventually he goes back to being able to self settle.

I can't listen to him cry endlessly as it feels wrong too, so I have never truly done CIO or VR.

Anyway, I don't actually have too much advice Just wanted to say hang in there, and you are doing a fantastic job. Every time you get her to have a sleep during the day, give yourself a big pat on the back and a treat
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Do you go back in at intervals with that method?
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I tried VR too, but it doesnt work with E, just gets her more worked up! Hate hearing them cry too, like you.
She used to have terrible trouble sleeping during the day, then i found out i had been trying to keep her up too long between naps. I found out what other mums with babies the same age were doing with theirs (thru the Feb forum) and Now i stick to around 2 hours after she wakes at her age and it works a charm. Also, whatever she needs to get to sleep i give her, sometimes she SS, altho at the moment I send her to sleep on my boob then rock her and transfer her to cot, but she is only 6 months old so i can spoil her and i have no problem with that!
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I reckon you should spend more time talking to daycare about how they do it. My boy is one of those kids who has one set of behaviours for daycare and a completely different set for me. He tows the line under peer pressure at daycare, but pushes his boundaries with me.
I've changed our at home routine to match that of daycare and it's helped heaps. Including morning tea/lunch/afternoon tea & nap times.
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Just found out today that they are having problems getting DD to sleep at the moment at day care!

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Have you tired talking to your Plunket family center? They have helped some friend's babies and have given us a new routine to try for ds night sleep wakings but we haven't tried yet as ds has been sick.
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How many sleeps is she having a day?
We had difficulties with day naps when DD was ready to drop a sleep. It was mucky to begin with, but eventually consolidated into one longer sleep in the middle of the day. She changed from 2 to 1 sleep at 11 months.

Have you checked out the sleep store for advice?
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Sally, I am half way to being convinced that she is doing exactly that. At daycare she seems to have three shorter naps and at home she will manage with one or two naps. Sure, we get up an hour later when at home as opposed to a day care day.

One more day at work/daycare then I'm going to try leaving DD longer before trying to get her to bed.

Besides, she has always been bad at day sleeps, so nothing new! Only another year or two and she'll be up all day anyway!!

Luckily we dont have any problems at night, she'll self settle in the evening and during the night unless she is hungry. Or teething.

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