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    Posted: 28 August 2010 at 10:52pm
Just asking as I've seen a few posts on another message board (not a parenting one) about how Lucas Ward and other cases where small children have gone missing are completely due to neglect and could have easily been avoided had the parents been watching them properly. Now I would rather not have this turn into a debate about any individual cases. Rather, I just wanted to know whether you had had experience with a "runner" before.

I was one. In my toddler/preschool years, only a minute or two was needed before I could be out the window, across the lawn, scaled the fence and was running across the paddock to who knows what (drains, main road, cowshed, rivers). Locks, childproofing, escapeproofing and even electric fences would slow me down but wouldn't stop me. My parents had four other children (older and younger) - no other runners, who were a breeze compared with me. The poster on the other forum seemed to have no comprehension as to how quickly children can move without warning. She said she escapeproofed the backyard and always checked every few mins to make sure everything was still fine. My parents went way over and above that and still couldn't contain me. There were too many close calls. I could have been another statistic but for luck (or "there but the grace of God" as my mother would put it.)

This lady just didn't seem to understand at all. I wondered if her children had never done anything naughty in the short space of time her back was turned. And so that got me thinking - probably most people don't have a runner but have you seen one in action? Do you know how scary they can be? I hope that there aren't too many people out there who think runners are just a result of bad parenting..... But you never know.

P.S. Sorry for the rather rambling post - it's hard to go back and edit on an iPod touch so hopefully this makes sense!

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I have a friend whose child is a "runner" of sorts but mostly so far its when she is right there, but its amazing how quickly he moves and always straight for danger e.g. roads, water etc.

She did have one experience where she turned her back for not even a minute and he got out of the front door of a friends house and was walking along and actually on a main road luckily a passer by grabbed him off the road, and seconds later he was back in his mums arms. She is a great mum so its not like it was due to neglect just the fact that he is so dam quick!

You do hear other stories though like my Mum finding 3 kids playing on their bikes on a main road and when she found out who they belonged to after door knocking it turned out they were from a ladies house who was doing in home childcare (1 child was her own) and she was busy having a coffee with a visitor she had not realised the kids had got almost 100 metres away to the main road
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I'm beginning to wonder if my little man might be that way inclined, or he just wanted outside, he pushed over his chair to the back door, got up on it & opened the door, got off, moved his chair back & went out side. I was sitting at the table watching him the whole time. He then proceeded to play in the dog bowl which was filled with water from the rain, ie feet first.
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oh yes children can move pretty fast.

I remember when my brother was 2 and we (my parents and I )couldnt find him..looked in the back yard nope not there...someone (probably me ooops ) had left one of the gates open.

we found hin about 500 metres up the road and he was probably only gone about 5 minutes.

and I know with my daughter if I didnt close the gate when we are at home she would take off down the driveway and onto the street.

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I followed a runner in the mall one day, she made it quite an impressive distance before I caught up and took her back toward where she came from. Was so quick, her mum was looking in the shops next to where she'd run from, had no idea she'd gone quite so far.

I also remember clearly being about 10, and answering a knock at the door to find an old man holding my baby brother (who was about 2). He'd found him in the middle of the main road outside our house (SH6, fairly major road!). Fence was fixed fairly rapidly after that.
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Hehe, I used to race outside any chance I got apparently, only my target was always the nearest puddle. I used to lay face down in them and splash about. So a drowing risk in case I picked on deeper than I expected, and also my poor mum had to change me from head to toe every time. Apparently they got very good at keeping several doors shut between me and outside! I got especially good at this when mum was heavily pg with my younger sister and had to slow down a bit

My little brother (7 years younger) wasn't so much of a runner but more of a climber. He'd climb anything and was usually up and out of reach so fast. My mum had too many kids to watch him 24/7, so dad used to take just him all over the place, as he was often quite happy *helping* and without other kids to egg him on, he was a bit better behaved. Plus, I'm sure he still got up to all kinds of trouble, but my dad didn't panic as much as mum!
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There are kids that aren't runners? How do I get one?
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my kids aren't runners - well now they aren't. but they were pretty bad as toddlers.

my argument is that, sure you can watch them 24/7 and hey, you can even get them microchipped and GPS them. But why would you want to? Sure you'll have a "safe" klid, but you'll also have an adult who has no idea about boundaries, nbo idea about what is safe and what isn't and is who more likleyl than not, going to end up as some stat of boy racers.\

What happened to Lucas was a tragedy, but it happened, not because of neglect, but because a little boy had an accident.
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I had one. Lost him in singapore airport during a one hour lay over. Only lost for 10 minutes but the longest 10 mins of my life. I thought he had been abducted and sold in a child trafficing ring. I bought a leash after that for public places.

Nap time we had a lock on his door. That way when I was "sure he was sleeping" he was confined to a room. You don't check on them every 5 mins whilst they are asleep and usually don't go in until you hear them so they could have a good 1-2 hours on you by the time you find them missing.

We lived in a compound with a pool and everytime I went up to the office by the pool he would be wearing a flotation device because as soon as he saw the water he was running and jumping in. So many people would jump in after this 14 month old thinking he was going to drown. By this age he could jump off the diving board and swim to the side, climb out and run back onto the jumping board. I remember guys coming home from work and meeting their families at the pool seeing him and jumping in in office clothes, cell phones and shoes. I would try to stop them but it was too late in most cases.

I put him in daycare at a young age so that when I did things that preoccupied me he was somewhere with full attention. I was also lucky I lived in a compound so the security guards would never let a little kid out of the gates without his mum but it never got that far. The tank would have preoccupied him if he got past them. lol. The gates and walls were high enough to keep bad people out so they managed to contain a 2-4 year old.

So he is 9 now and pretty sensible. It was mainly getting him to 6 or 7 years safely. This was very hard to adapt to after having the angelic daughter who was my first born. All I had to say was no or explain not to do something and she followed my every word.

I had lots of preconceived ideas about topics like this before I had my son. Shrug off the comments and just put it down to her being lucky enough not to have a child who is a runner. I beleive in karma. All those nasty thoughts I would think about other peoples children when I just had the first placid child definately came back to bite me after the second. (and the third)

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I was with my cousin when her son went and hid (cause he'd had an accident in his pants) and we couldn't find him. We were at his grandparents house which doesn't have a fenced frontage and is open to the road.. quiet but still the road.

It was horrendeous, we called him and walked up and down the street trying to find him and he wouldn't come took about 15 minutes till we found him hidding, his poor mum was distraught. He would have only been around 3 at the time.

It could have so easily have been worse if he'd wandered a couple of houses down to the end of the street and the busier road.

Some kids go from standing to running, never mind the walking bit in between. They will take off.

The same people who can't understand runners probably hate reins too, can't tell you the amount of times the reins have saved my brother and even DH from getting lost or running out onto a busy road.

What happened to Lucas and Aisling is very sad and tragic, and shows doesn't matter how vigilant you are kids so easily wander off and have a nasty accident.
News like theirs always makes me hug my family tighter as it could so easily happen to anyone of us.


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I wasn't a runner, although my mum had a kiddy leash for me jic. I only ever ran off once but they knew where I had gone because I had been asking all day...

I haven't had any experience with kids as runners but I CAN see it happening, the whole thing about neglect, well it could be in some cases, but not all.

I think little kids are so curious, and when you think about it; they just want to learn about the world around them.

I know a couple of cases in the news over the past couple of years where kids have wandered off their parents have been 'doing something else' so maybe not watching them as closely as they maybe should have been...
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Ella used to be a "runner"- man she could run fast, especially in public. It was especially hard being pregnant and trying to run after her. I had a kiddy "leash" for her, but you can't have it on them all the time. Thankfully she is now growing out of it and I now actually take her to the mall without being worried that I am going to lose her.

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oh yeah i have runners... my oldest is 6 now so not quite as bad. when he was younger though he was terrible. i have lost him at the zoo, sylvia park, a mall in hamilton, all sorts of places... Oh and in fact the worse was when he stopped traffic at a very busy main road and was brought back by a stranger - we were on the way to my nanas funeral and the car was parked on the front lawn right by the road he was found on! he took his younger brother to kindy one day, across a very busy main road and to this day every time i hear a horn while i am inside i look for the kids!
i think though because he was a runner i would take extra precautions and my family all knew what he was like so would be extra vigilant too... i could never leave him play outside alone and even when we fully fenced the yard he got out by climbing the compost heap! His younger brother doesnt run away - but will go with his older brother!

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I was a runner. Apparently I ran away at least once a day from when I could walk until I was about 4 or 5. Our street was relatively quiet but the next one was a very main road - the one time I made it that far a passing police car picked me up. My poor mother met them on the street as she was sprinting after me with rollers in her hair, lol!

Another time I had been missing for a few hours and my parents were really worried, called the police etc. Turned out I was stuck in the next door neighbour's cat door - they were away so I was only discovered when someone (a fireman who had been called to look down drains etc) happened to look out our kitchen window into their garden while having a cup of tea!

That story had a happy ending but it so easily could have gone another way. My parents were not neglectful by any stretch of the imagination - but every now and then you have to turn your back, whether it's to tend to another child or just to go to the loo, and that's all it takes.
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yeah i think it sucks to have a go at the parents/caregivers of kids in these cases. Of course it could have been prevented if the nana had had a time machine or the ability to see into the future but she did not. She was doing her best (as we all do) and he just got away (as they all do at some point in time).

Very, very sad and i cannot imagine the guilt and grief that nana and her child (the parent) must be going through. Really cannot imagine it.

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Originally posted by crafty1 crafty1 wrote:

yeah i think it sucks to have a go at the parents/caregivers of kids in these cases. Of course it could have been prevented if the nana had had a time machine or the ability to see into the future but she did not. She was doing her best (as we all do) and he just got away (as they all do at some point in time).

Very, very sad and i cannot imagine the guilt and grief that nana and her child (the parent) must be going through. Really cannot imagine it.


Agree totally with this. I don't think there is a single parent out there that can say they have an eye on their kid 100% of the time. I have given my kids a bag of chippies before to keep them occupied whilst I do stuff like get the groceries etc. It could have been anyone.
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I was at the mall with my friend and her 3yr old, he let go of his mums hand and...raaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn! Almost to the other end of the mall! I was in shock at how fast he ran and wouldn't stop! I will always remember it and I tell people that story when the subject comes up! Gave me a fright!

I'm lucky as so far (touchwood) DS doesnt run off. I have never been against reins either and agree that people that don't like them just don't get it.

My heart goes out to Lucas' and Aisling families, it does only take a second and is every parents nightmare.   


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My oldest neice was a runner but in her case it was due to bad parenting ( not sure if she still is as we dont see them much now they live in a different city).
I know not all kids are runners due to bad parenting, and in some cases its just horrible that there children go missing.
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My girls aren't really runners but they have definitely had their moments... Its almost scarier because when you think you can trust walking beside you and they suddenly bolt you aren't prepared at all.

I have had one recently bolt out the front door (we were going out the door but i turned back to grab my handbag) and she got right out to the road with me chasing right behind her. I was just very thankful the street was quiet for that second, just a few minutes later I was almost hit by some crazy driver racing around the corner.

I have lost one in the mall once, I still can't work out how it happened, we had just had lunch and once again I turned to grab my bag and she was gone, we frantically searched for about 20 minutes until someone else who had her description found her just following another family.. it is scary! And really I don't think there is really that much you can do to stop them from bolting, I think my girls have learnt from experience that getting lost is scary and make sure they keep by my side where ever we go.


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Phew, so glad that other people know. My mum used to describe it like one of those cartoon characters who speed off, leaving their speech bubble hanging in the air behind them. I'd be talking to her as she was getting washing out of the washing machine or hanging it on the line. Suddenly, the conversation would stop and I'd be gone. They had a white leather harness and leash for when they went to town. I was also in a bed before 12months as I used to climb the cot rails using my toes (putting the round rail in between my big toe and second toe).... I bet she was glad I was the only runner out of the five! I was diabolical I gather from the stories she tells.....

I don't think Jude is a runner - he tends to stay pretty close to me even when all the doors are open or we are outside on the lawn. However, even though he isn't a runner - he has still had his moments. Like the other day he was with DP in the lounge playing happily, DP turned to do something for a minute or two only to find Jude had followed me outside to where I was doing horsefeed - I caught him going down the concrete stairs backwards and called out to DP. Luckily, he is very good at negotiating stairs (he's still only crawling) but I'd still rather be there when he is going down them on the concrete at the moment. And it was all good because we were there - he wasn't running away, he was just following me.

It is very ironic - everyone had been teasing me about how Jude was going to be a runner - even before he was born (I got a leash for my baby shower ) and he is very active but it turns out it may be my sisters boy who is two weeks younger than Jude who could be the runner! You put him down, he sees an open door and he bolts for it (Still only crawling as well). At Jude's party today there were a few cries of "There's a baby escaping out the door behind you!". My cousin (2 and a half) is also a runner but getting better.

For sure there are SOME cases where the parents are to blame for kids being out on the road or similar. But for someone to say they don't know how it can happen at all seems very bizarre to me - especially when they have kids themselves! Even if they don't have a runner - surely ALL kids still have had moments where they have scared the cr*p out of their parents!


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