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    Posted: 29 June 2010 at 8:25am
In many ways I realise that 6am is a reasonable time to start the day. However, we struggle with it as we are soooo tired after years of sleep deprivation with Elle and now almost a year of nightwakings from Ashley. I get the feeling that Ashley would actually rather have a breastfeed and go back to bed for an hour or so than get up for solids. She doesn't seem to be adjusting well to getting up and eating solids at that time.

What do you do with 6am wakings? Do you start the day or treat it as a night feed?

Ashley is 11 months old soon so she technically should have solids before milk. However, I'm having to feed her at 10pm and then she wakes again in the night for a short time as well. Then up at 6 and through the day she only does 2 naps of about 40mins so it makes for very long days and a very tired Mummy.

Solids wise she only ever eats about 3 tablespoons at a time so is pretty dependant on milk, hence why we've been trying to do solids first in the morning.
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With Lily, and she's a lot younger, it depends on how awake she looks and if I think she is likely to go straight back to sleep, or to sleep within 10-15 mins after a quick feed or if she looks too awake. If she looks too awake and is quite excited etc we start the day other wise I feed her and get her back to bed.

I also keep the curtains shut and light off if she looks like she'll go back to sleep.
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Any wakings before 7.30am in our house are treated as night. I'll try to resettle him just like I do at night time, no talking, no eye contact. If I can't resettle him I'll feed him and pop him back into bed. Sometimes he'll sleep until 7.30am, other times he'll just chat away to himself for a while which I'm quite happy with

 
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I was trying to stop night feeds so introduced the 10pm dreamfeed and get her up for breakfast when she wakes at 6 then if she wakes in between we resettle without a feed.    She doesn't eat solids well so plunket said to be strong with solids before milk but I'd rather get a little more sleep in the morning really!
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6am is a night feed here too. DD usually sleeps in our bed after early feeds.

In fact shes still there now
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Aww sweet. We used to do that but Ash won't go to sleep with us anymore.
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If you dont want her to get up treat it as a night feed.

Elias is over one and we still give him a bottle first .. in the mornings.
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Thats hard. We tend to start our day at 7am, but this morning DS decided to wake fro a feed at 5.30am. I also had to change him which I dont usually do for night feeds. Anyway, after the feed I tucked him in with me and he slept until 7.45. Not great when we are trying to establish a routine, but if I had woken him at 7am he wouldnt have been hungry anyway.

If he wakes after about 6.30am he is wide awake and wants to play so we start our day then. I guess it all depends on how bubs is feeling.

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Haha yeah lilfatty I really don't want to get her up at 6 but don't want to be unreasonable.

She is still on 6 breastfeeds a day and only has about 3 tablespoons of solid food at each meal if that but she is so determined when it comes to milk (oh and short naps....20mins is quite common). Monkey. I'm trying really hard to reduce the breastfeeds so the solids intake will increase but it is not an easy task.
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Originally posted by FionaS FionaS wrote:

She doesn't eat solids well so plunket said to be strong with solids before milk but I'd rather get a little more sleep in the morning really!


Seems to me you have your answer If you are happy with feeding her, then do so. She'll eat solids when she's ready. Plunket seem to have this idea of "normal" that they want all babies to fit. In reality, there is a wide range of whats normal. Think about the variation in when babies learn to walk. Why should it be different with solids?

Have you thought about switching to BLW? It might help with your stubborn we girl?
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I have the opposite probelm - loves solids not into milk. To be honest we get our 11 month old up from 6am on, she's usually hungry and although I still DF at 10 pm, she doesn't night feeds and if she went back to sleep I reckon she'd start wanting night feeds to resettle. If she sleeps longer its a bonus and we have to get up at 6.30 am anyway. At that point she's had 11 hours sleep, which is heaps for her age. I don't feed breakfast till 6.45 as I read that feeding too early triggers early waking. So we play, get dressed etc. Sometimes she has phases of 5.30 wakings grgghhh and soemtimes doesn't go back to sleep.
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millymollymandy - you pretty much described Ashley there.

T-Rex - we've done BLW right from the start at 6 months. She'll eat anythiing she can hold but very little of it actually gets as far as her tummy hahaha.
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What would happen if you held off doing the dream feed until 11pm or even midnight?

I find if I give Lily her dream feed too soon she will still wake 2-3 times in the night but if I hold off until 11/12 she will only wake 1-2 times.
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I would start the day then..but although i like a basic routine I just let them get up anytime after 6.. Liam has been up at 530 but then he sleeps at 530 at night too..lol

at 11 months I would still be the same.. I let Ethan up anytime after 6 as well..but he has a 2 hour day sleep and 12 hours at night.. Liam is similar in sleep to Ashley as he does nights and then 2/3 45mins to an hour sleep:)

anyway it's what fits your family and for us 6am is fine:)
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Doesn't make any difference Lil-Nic - if I feed at midnight she will still be up at 6 but I'm even more tired! I was doing it at 11 but have just shifted it to 10 as I've been so tired I get dizzy etc. Trying to get more sleep.
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If you bf her at 6am, will she go back to sleep for a couple of hours? If yes, then that's what I'd do - if she has breakfast a few hours later then it's not as if you're trying to feed her solids immediately after milk anyway.
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Fiona, I have always given my kids their morning limk (BF or formula) before their breakfast, as otherwise we would be giving them breakfast at 6am too. I found giving them that break of an hour or so between milk and solids meant that they were hungry again anyway.

As for the sleeping thing, I would try getting her back to bed, if you think this would suit you... my kids have always been early risers, so we are usually starting the day at 6am round here anyway. BF her, put her back and see what happens...
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hey Harry was doing the same thing at 11 months. I got a major telling off from one Plunket nurse about giving him too much milk not enough solids etc etc... anyway,   we kept treating anything before 7am as night time, and would give him a bottle first. Then breakfast around 8am. To be honest, H is never into his breakfast if I give it to him first thing - usually waiting around 30-45 min after he wakes seems to be best for him in terms of being interested in solids and eating a good breakfast.

We gradually reduced the amount of milk he drank during the day so that subsequent solids feed became bigger (so less milk after lunch so that hungrier for dinner; but he was getting formula so was easier to control amount) and then after about 3 weeks we were able to drop the dreamfeed and he self adjusted to waking up between 7-7.30am most mornings.

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i have always given a bf before solids if my kids wake too early... and in fact eden still has her brekkie after a bf most mornings and shes 2!

in our house i try and stay in bed as long as possible so 6am wakings we took bub into bed with us for a bf and a cuddle...and if we are lucky we all get some more sleep.

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6am is a normal time to wake for a baby - not sure how old your's are?? Nathan can wake anything from 6am-9am. If it's really that bad, you can try pulling your baby into bed with you at 6am. If I do that with Nathan he will eventually fall back to sleep for quite some time!
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