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    Posted: 18 March 2009 at 12:10pm

Just curious whether anyone's considering this.

Michaela has started kindy this year and since I'll also have a newborn baby during flu season I don't really want her bringing nasties home (although I realise the flu vaccine won't protect her from all strains). 

I'm totally undecided and curious to hear whether anyone else gets (or is planning to get) their child immunised.

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I am thinking about it. Apparently kids under 2 (I think) are at higher risk, and Daniel has had heart issues, so the more protection, the better!
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I was thinking about it and people were saying I was mad but I figured if I was thinking of getting it myself, why wouldnt I give it to Tom.  James would hopefully get some immunity through BM.

 

But I am still undecided.  I normally get it myself but havent the last couple of years due to being pregnant.....but apparently that is ok.

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I will watch this thread with interest as I have been thinking this over too with no decision as of yet.


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We have decided (just yesterday in fact!) to get it for Jackson (I assume kids that young are allowed it?). I was recently watching a doco about the flu in NZ and apparently if all kids 18-24mo were made to get the vaccine (not that that would happen but YKWIM) the rates of the rest of the population getting it would drop dramatically. The little blighters are such good carriers of things like that.

Jack is also at DC so figure he's likely to pick something up, and a) I don't want to catch anything being pregnant, b) I don't want to have to deal with him by myself while DH is away for a couple of months, and c) I don't want him passing anything on to a newborn.

I would get it for myself so don't really see an issue in our case, but having said that I have to get clearance from the hospital first as Jack's white count is too low at the moment so he can't have any imms until that's OK.

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Originally posted by nzpiper nzpiper wrote:

 James would hopefully get some immunity through BM.

 

Michaela was so healthy during the 2007 winter and I think that was partly due to me being immunised while I was still BFing as I'm sure the vaccine would have passed through the milk.

Last year she wasn't BFing and wasn't vaccinated and got a really bad flu, sick enough that when she was at her worst I slept her in my bed so I could keep an ear on her overnight.  It was short lived thank goodness.

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if you have a kiddie in daycare then I would definately consider it. The flu is so horrible and can be quite dangerous for babies.
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I'm considering getting the gremlins done. They have a few immunity issues so the more fortification they can get, the better. We gave them Prevenar and the Pneumovax last year as well, in addition to the regular schedule.
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i hadn't really thought about for Ella, but now reading this thread I think this is definitely something I will be looking into.

how much does the vacine normally cost for kids?

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Emz kids can get the flu vaccine from 6mo (they just give them a smaller dose).

M2E it's $30 per vaccination through my GP. 

According to the MOH guidelines if this is the first year you're getting your child vaccinated they need 2 vaccinations 4 weeks apart otherwise they're not fully immunised.  So for us this year it'll cost $60 but the more I think of it the more I think it's probably money well spent (what price do I put on my childrens well-being?)

If you have a child with health issues (asthma, heart problems etc) you may be able to get it subsidised or free.

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Yup, we can get it free, we also got the Pneumovax free but we would have had to pay for the Prevenar except we got them done in Oz
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i heard somewhere once that unless your immunity is low - like the elderly or sick - then the flu vaccine is not really beneficial or needed. think it was that helath reporter lady on the news who said it once. you would IMO be better off keeping her home - but regardless she will still prob get something.. in which case you will just have to make sure bub is not susceptible to get whatever it is...
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Well I am the odd one out it seems because it has never crossed my mind to get them vaccinated against the flu....to me it's the same as vaccinating against the chickenpox. If anyone had medical issues that might warrant getting a flu shot then we'd consider it, but I don't think there is any reason for a perfectly healthy normal person (child/teenager/adult), without a "vulnerable" person in their household, to get a flu jab.

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My boy is definitely getting done and is booked for next Tuesday, His is free b'cos he is asthmatic. I never thought I would ever get any my kids done as it has been offered free to my whole family when I was working at GP practice and I declined the girls year after year but for this wee man of mine I have decided that it will be beneficial for him and even tho it wont stop his asthma attacks or even the odd flu, it will decrease the occurance and severity of the flu. I am soooo dreading winter.... Winter and asthma are my worst nightmare at the moment.

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Mine have been done. Just the gremlins as they have some immunity issues and their immunologist and ENT specialist recommended it. It was free as they are considered high risk. They were a bit grouchy for a couple of days afterwards but no major side effects.
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Quite a controversial subject to bring up MrsMojo

I agree with mumtooboys.  I have studied vaccinations extensively from both sides of the argument through university and other institutions and I would never consider giving my daughter a vaccination for something that is unnecessary. 

The flu vaccination always seems such a waste of time as it usually ends up being the wrong strain especially in New Zealand as it is not usually made for the New Zealand flu.  Also the strain changes over the year.

If you go into starship during the winter time it is just so sad.  But it is not the flu you see.  It is stuff the can be prevented through heat, dry homes and diet. 

You know why the flu vaccination was introduced don't you, so mums don't have to take time off work - which seems silly as babies get sick anyway.

It is going to be interesting to see the incidence rate this year as it has been quite a wet summer and so homes haven't really had a good chance to dry out.

 

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Originally posted by raggy raggy wrote:

If you go into starship during the winter time it is just so sad. But it is not the flu you see. It is stuff the can be prevented through heat, dry homes and diet.
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That's not essentially true - my three youngest all spent a lot of time at Starship last year, yet we are a middle-income family, our house is warm and my kids eat a varied and balanced diet. They have plenty of warm clothes and none of them are in daycare/kindy.

My 100% exclusively breastfed baby got pneumonia at 5 weeks and bronchiolitis at 9, 11 and 14 weeks. The gremlins spent the entire winter being ferried to and from ENT outpatients having their ears syringed and drained.

In their case, it's a combination of genetics and bad luck. Yes there are a lot of kids in Starship who are there because they come from homes where heating and other essentials are out of reach, but it's a bit naive to suggest that it's that simplistic.
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I will leave it here as this is such a controversial subject and one not to be debated here as everyone has to make their own decision and they should do their own research.  As I know it is a very difficult decision to make.

I am sorry you have had such a tough time Maya, but I work with statistics when working with immunobiology and epidemiology and I work with the human side with natural sciences and nursing research.  Also I also want to make it clear when we are talking about the flu, the flu and pneumonia are different, they are caused by something different and the affect different parts of the body.  Pneumonia is usually caused by a bacteria (sometimes a virus but different to the flu virus) and the flu is caused by a virus called viruses A and B made up of different strains.  A child sick with the flu can be susceptible to develop pneumonia or bronchiolitis.

It is not naive to say what is real with government spending and what frustrations we deal with day in day out in the wards which so easily could be prevented.  We see kids come in they we have just released, but they have not hope and we cannot do anything to help them.   There is just too much to talk about other than here.

People need to be aware that the flu vaccination may not help them.  It is not like the polo vaccination that in most cases (I know it doesn't stop them all) that it is prevented.  Flu is something different it just changes soo quickly depending on outside factors that cannot be determined in a lab.  The flu vaccination was only originally developed for those of lessen or compromised immune systems like the elderly, impaired immune systems or to help demographics of susceptible people.  For those out of the groups we have to easily become a society of quick fixes without looking at the long term consequences - again too much to go over in this forum.

Maya, I don't want to minimize your experience, and I know you would have done everything possible you could have.

For those of you who of children with lessen immune systems I have heard there is a really good paediatrician at Motherwell called Dr Leila Masson who specialises in reoccurring infections and helps those with lessen immune systems. 

Just remember vaccinations are not always a good safety net.

 

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Yes, you see kids come in that have just been released - Chiara was admitted in August with pneumonia and then again 5 weeks late with bronchiolitis. Could her illnesses have been prevented? Possibly, but it's difficult to see how given that she was bein exclusively breastfed - it was just her misfortune being born the fourth child and exposed to the germs that her older sisters pick up. I certainly hope that the staff that treated her at Starship didn't consider her "without hope" as you say, coz that would be misguided. As an aside, her pneumonia was neither bacterial nor viral but rather a reflux-related aspiration pneumonia.

I completely agree with you that the vaccination is only of use to those who are most 'at risk' - this is why I only vaccinated the gremlins and not my other two children - because the are the ones who are immuno-compromised. They also take a variety of natural health supplements to boost their immunity as much as possible as I think it's important to approach their health from a holistic perspective.

I wasn't criticising or disagreeing with what you said about the flu vaccine not being neccessary for all children, as I said, I completely agree. What I did take issue with was the implication that all children admitted to Starship during the winter are suffering from illnesses that might have been prevented with better education and resources - that might be true for *some*, even a good percentage, but not *all*.
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