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    Posted: 24 August 2007 at 10:11am
Hi everyone, my first visit to this forum. Recently I've been thinking that it might be nice to have a child. Hubby agrees but is extremely reluctant because of the financial situation. We both work and I earn more than he does. If we were to have a child I would not be looking at going back to work until the child was at least 2. We bought our house 9 months ago, so obviously have a mortgage and we have a consolidated loan as well as the other usual bills and stuff.

I've played around with our budget.. and it honestly looks like if I was to stop working, we could not survive on his income. I know very little about what benefits or government assistance we could get other than we would be entitled to a community services card. Can someone enlighten me in this regard? I'm 28 and not getting any younger.. would really like to start this "project" soon.
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Welcome to Oh baby!
You would be entitled to working for families tax credits from WINZ- family assistance and in-work beneift ( as long as your DH is working over 30 hrs a week, and I think its different if he is self-employed), once bubs is born. We get around $140 a week. You may also be entitled to an accomadation supplement.

If you have been working in your same job at least 6 months before bubs is born you will be entitled to 12 weeks paid parental leave which is about $320 a week after tax (well thats what I got this time last year).

Its worth ringing the WINZ family assistance helpline and sussing it out. I found them really helpful!
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It's 14 weeks paid parental leave now, that's the only thing I'll add.
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We found it really hard at the start when we had our daughter. I was earning slightly more than my husband and when we lost my pay it was very hard to get used to. But then when the FA payments started coming in it made things so much easier.
It would be worth you ringing WINZ to find out exactly what you will be entitled to, then you know for sure.
Then you could start putting part of your pay into a savings account, and leave just the amount of hubby's pay plus some of your pay (to the amount WINZ will pay you). That way you will get used to living off the smaller income, so that when bubs comes along you will be used to it. This worked for us.
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Here's some links for you:
IRD for WFF tax credits (used to be called family support)

WINZ for WFF housing/accomodation support.

Both of those links have calculators and are mostly based on your (or rather, your DH's) annual income.
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Personally I don't know how you afford children. By the time you take into account lost income, cost of feeding, clothing and housing another person - it can seem financially overwhelming - almost enough to put me off.
We are currently trying to live mostly off DPs income, and save mine - to see how we would manage, could be a good exercise to see how lose of income would effect you.
DP and I are both in our mid 30s now, in some ways we've had the freedom of a good income, and manageable mortgage. We would have to clear a few HPs before we could manage on one income.
For us based on DPs income and 1 child we get $100 working for families, thats all we qualifiy for - he earns too much according to WINZ for the rest - IMHO we don't earn much at all. The maternity leave payment - wouldn't cover even half of our mortgage.
Good Luck - I've come to the conclusion that if i thought about children logically and rationally I'd never have them.

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Thanks for the replies guys!

I checked our those calculators... it seems, based on hubbys minimum wage (he generally earns more but I'm going with worst case senario) and including a $58 accommodation supplement and $142 working for families thing AND having hubby quit smoking, we're still just going to be scraping by.

I would however be entitled to paid parental leave, but whats the deal, can I just get that then turn around 14 weeks later and say "oh no I'm not returning to work now, bye!" Cos ideally I'd spend the first 3-5 years at home with the kid.
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If you are resigning from work, you can get it paid out in a lump sum.
Remember WINZ base it on all your income - bonuses included - which sucks.

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I second what everyone else has said. The only thing I can think to add is that you'd be amazed how many of the 'essentials' you can learn to live without, and not miss!
We were just managing on what we had before bubs came along, and worried about how we'd find the extra for another person too.
I don't have to buy work clothes anymore, I don't get the expensive haircuts, obviously I don't go out as much.
Eating cheaper meals at home more often. Making lunches for DH... Little things make a big difference!

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Originally posted by fleury fleury wrote:

Personally I don't know how you afford children. By the time you take into account lost income, cost of feeding, clothing and housing another person - it can seem financially overwhelming - almost enough to put me off.
We are currently trying to live mostly off DPs income, and save mine - to see how we would manage, could be a good exercise to see how lose of income would effect you.
DP and I are both in our mid 30s now, in some ways we've had the freedom of a good income, and manageable mortgage. We would have to clear a few HPs before we could manage on one income.
For us based on DPs income and 1 child we get $100 working for families, thats all we qualifiy for - he earns too much according to WINZ for the rest - IMHO we don't earn much at all. The maternity leave payment - wouldn't cover even half of our mortgage.
Good Luck - I've come to the conclusion that if i thought about children logically and rationally I'd never have them.


At the moment, hubby's income would not cover all our expenses, we'd be hundreds of dollars short. The only way I could see we could do this is if we were to pay off our 1 HP that we have, then talk to the bank to see if we can get our loan term increased thus reducing the repayments.
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I think you just need to sit down and get all information from WINZ, from the bank re mortage holidays, work out your budget and find out how much you can reduce your expenses. And then draw the line so to say and figure out what you can and can't afford.
My advice would be to look at all your options and then figure out a way to manage. Also would going back to work before the 2 year mark is up be worse than not having a baby?

ETA - the other thing to think about is are things likely to change in the future? ie if you are going to be in a similar position financially 10 years down the track, then would waiting really help?

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its rough ah.
we came to this agreement:

I take my 14 weeks paid maternity leave, and then we have enough savings for me to take another 4.

After that, I am going back to work from 8.30 till 12.30 - and DF is giong to work 1.30 till 6.30.

it was the only real way we could do it. although, to be honest (and i feel this really makes me a failure of a women to say it) i want to go back to work. i would rather wait till bubs is a year old, but thats not possible for us. I'm just thankful we can work it so one of us is at home at all times.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

now all i have to do is actually get pregnant!!
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I think it does all depend on alot of things, but as you get more used to being just you and hubby and living on both incomes, you know what they say.. the more money you have the more you need. I think when you look at it, it does work out, it's about being sensible and making a few sacrifices. usually the first thing you need to look at is necessities, the cold hard plain bills you need to pay and see what's over after that, look at your food spending - what you buy at the supermarket that well, could really be skimmed on, cut down, or buying bulk or different brands.. i find it amazing some couples spend so much on grocerys when we can get by on $240 a fortnight for a family of 4, including nappies (and formula when we needed that).
Really its not so much the kids that i find expensive it would be the not working.. (hence why i work)
Buy clothes at sales.. start buying now, seriously people think you're nuts but i did that long before kids and had a heap by the time i had Paris, things like singlets, socks, bibs, stretch n grows, the stuff that never changes and you can get at sales for cheap as and buy a heap in different sizes, we still buy a heap at sales in the size up for the next year.

As Fleur said, if you wait till you can afford kids, you'd never have em.   We got by fairly ok on mike's wage of 24,000 when i first had Paris, thank god it's grown since then! but you find ways to make things work, you go without all the fancy and you accept that your reward is having beautiful kids not fancy clothes and $150 hairstyles.
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^good comments.

i REALLY want to start buying things now - but i'm TERRIFIED i will jinx us! DAMN IT!
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Originally posted by ezza ezza wrote:

its rough ah.

it was the only real way we could do it. although, to be honest (and i feel this really makes me a failure of a women to say it) i want to go back to work. i would rather wait till bubs is a year old, but thats not possible for us. I'm just thankful we can work it so one of us is at home at all times.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

now all i have to do is actually get pregnant!!


You are so not a failure if you go back to work.
I was fortunate enough to spend 6 months nannying for a 3yr old boy and that taught me that i don't want to be home full time with children - I will be going back to work, not just for the money, but for my sanity.

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Oh, you girls are fabulous! Thank you so much for your help. Honestly, I was really feeling quite down about the whole thing, but you know it might not be as hard as we are thinking it might be.
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The thing we had to get used to was accepting second hand stuff. A lot of our friends finishing their families were all too pleased to pass on strollers, cots, etc because they had no more need. We've had heaps of clothes passed our way too and still in good condition. Save the buying for must-haves and special occasions! We used less petrol when only one of us worked and we cut but our grocery budget too.
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Oh yeah I had thought of trying to pick up secondhand things on TradeMe etc. Most of our friends don't have kids or have JUST had kids so still require all their stuff so probably won't be much they can pass on to us. My mum would probably go nuts with the knitting of clothes though lol

Petrol one cost that will be majorly cut right in half. It takes me 45 mins to drive to work from where we live.
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Secondhand stuff is good, although I can see how easy it is to get carried away with wanting new stuff when its your first baby .

Not sure how much petrol costs will change, as I don't plan on being a SAHM who actually stays home.
There's always the bus I suppose - I used to love going on the bus when I was little.

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Don't forget you may have annual leave on top of your paid maternity, and depending on how much you can carry over from the previous year, thats another 6 weeks.

I worked out with savings, we can probably manage 6 months off before having to find a second income source.

Can you work from home? I've trained as a massage therapist and plan to work from home to earn a few $$. Some of them tax free.

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