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    Posted: 26 June 2010 at 12:04pm
iv heard alot of discussions about this topic on tv but mostly are from US.
what are everyones thought on this.
im on the fence and dont know what to think.

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What is it? Sounds like something you do with chickens

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I don't know what it is either....



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Just having a read about it, free-range parenting is based on the notion “that we can give our children the same kind of freedom we had [as kids] without going nuts with worry,”

“When you let children out, all the good things happen - the self-confidence, happiness, and self-sufficiency that come from letting our kids do some things on their own,”

For eg on the website I was reading. there was one Mum who let her 9 year old ride the New York subway alone.

I think it's good to a point - but then there is a perception that there is more to be worried about these days then say the 70's/80's and earlier when this type of parenting was probably the norm. Letting kids go to the park on their own, riding bikes around town on their own etc.

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Oh, well that sounds like an exaggerated version of my form of parenting.

I parent based on the notion that my child is capable and that he is a free and equal being. My job is to support, not interfere.

In saying that, I think letting him ride the freeway on his own might be pushing it.

Common sense needs to be used.


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I let B ride his bike unattended on our road.. BUT, its a very small culdesac, and most of the families have kids his age, and I can see the whole street from my lounge window... that being said, he knows he isnt allowed past the open end of our road... And he walks home from school... but I think thats about as free-range as I'd let him get lol!
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Sounds good to a certain extent, like M2M said, common sense needs to be used, but look at the kids of today, they all sit inside watching tv/playing computer/etc. I never see kids outside playing except for Bretheren kids.

I agree it is our job to support our kids!
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I was just having a read up on it too and yeah I agree with Mum2Mac, I can definately see the value in it and it is how I'd like to parent, but to a point.

My MIL for example will absolutely freak out if her grandson (my 3yo nephew) runs off to the other side of their yard, incase he falls over and grazes his knee. She won't let him have any space of his own, she has to be within arms reach, just in case. Whereas, I feel that kids need to learn their own boundaries and that falling over etc is the best way to learn.

I think it is a lot like the parenting that Nigel Latta endorses. My kind of parenting

 
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Too early to say what I'd do and I also think it depends on where we are living.
If we are here in Feilding I've not problem with her walking to school or playing down at the park.
If we're in Whenuapai however she'd have to cross Hobosonville Rd to get to school and that would be too dangerous for a 5/6 year old.

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i think im more of a free range parent, id let my kids walk to school if i thought they were capable but thats a yr off yet and its a bit of a tramp,
things like letting them climb trees, play outside in the rain(my kids like to do this with out clothes)
and i can think of many other things i let my kids do, that i know some parents would disapprove of.

when my kids are ready they will be walking to the bus stop and going to school etc.
though at 9yrs old is more like when id start teaching them how to use the public transport, not letting them use it alone.
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I don't have a problem with them climbing trees and playing outside etc as long as they're appropriately dressed etc.

There's a lot more traffic around than when I was younger, so anything that involves being near busy main roads is a cause for concern with me.

I used to ride my bike across half of Akl on a Sunday with my friends when I was 9 or 10, no way I'd do this now as its simply to busy and drivers don't look out for cyclists let alone kids.

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Ha ha rorylex, playing outside in the rain without clothes sounds like a fab idea . Me & DS played in the rain in shorts & bare feet til it got too cold, easier than getting shoes & socks & pants dry! Awesome

I'm a Nigel Latta fan too, he's a sensible chap. I agree with everyone who says they'd let the kids bike to school if not for main road traffic, to get anywhere from our place involves an 8km ride down SH2! (that and Jarvis is only 15 months old & would look a little funny on his little bike hooning through a 100kmh zone!).

I'm all for adventuring, not in a crazy dangerous way, but I sure get some weird looks from the PAFT lady for making obstacle courses involving stepladders and chairs. I have a climber, and if I don't give him something to cilmb he'll find something for himself!! And I'm always there to catch him if he does slip .
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ahahaha sorry but i just imagined free-range chickens being replaced with kids lol.

im in the let-kids-be-kids boat... let em climb trees, play with foam swords, cops n robbers, get dirty, have fun basically. our street is a small cul de sac and when he is old enough to play out on the street, as long as he understood to not go too close to the open end of the street, to knock politely on neighbours doors if for example they lost a ball over a fence instead of just going and getting it iygwim then i dont have a prob with that. but going to the park by himself or riding his bike around the neighbourhood i might be a bit more antsy about it... id rather take him to a bmx track or something and let him go nuts there. our street (and the one up and down) arent bad, but the general area nereby is, and i know that is a GROSS generalisation... i guess you can never be too careful... i would prolly have to drive him to and from school simply because otherwise itd take him and hour-hour n half and he would have to cross the road by a motorway on-ramp on the way there, so for that reason i would drive. but if there was a walking school bus then sure...


i do think there is alot more to worry about these days... but i see those worries as more of an external source iygwim...

im happy for him to climb trees in the backyard, but i would rather go with him to the park kinda thing... hope all of that makes sense lol.




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Originally posted by MyLilSquishy MyLilSquishy wrote:

im in the let-kids-be-kids boat... let em climb trees, play with foam swords, cops n robbers, get dirty, have fun basically.


Hardly sounds sporting. Why only foam swords? Whats wrong with the real deal? Or big sticks sharpened to a point


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DH is very much into the out doors etc, he'll definately be taking the kids camping and showing them how to use knives and tie knots etc Be great for them when its age appropriate though.

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what id be worried about is if we were "free range" children 10/20yrs ago and all the stuff we could do then, we dont allow kids to do today, (wasnt even thought to be all that dangerous.)
then what are kids in yr 2030 going to be like, what are our kids going to be like as parents if all that stuff wasnt allowed, back in the day trees made for an excellent jungle gym but these days one could say an actual playground is just as dangerous.

public transport is a good one to look at teaching a child to use, im in my 20's and for the 1st time ever a few weeks ago had to figure out how to catch the train to auckland then a bus to somewhere else, with a preschooler and an infant. i was scared id get lost. luckily i didnt. but i did wish some one had taught me all that stuff before.
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Originally posted by MyLilSquishy MyLilSquishy wrote:


our street is a small cul de sac


our street is a cul de sac too, a no exit street of another no exit street...in fact its got the same name as you

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I remember seeing that woman who let her son ride the subway by himself on Oprah or Dr. Phil and she was brilliant. am trying to remember what exactly happened, but it was something like they built up to the by himself ride - i think initially she went with him and discussed things of how to do it, what to do if things went wrong etc, and then let him go for it. the media blew it out of proportino cause initially i thought how irresponsible, but when she explained the premise i thought it was really well done.
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I think it's a nice concept and one that's pretty easily followed with preschoolers as they are generally supervised most the time so climbing trees, playing rough games, riding bikes etc don't pose too much danger. It's when kids get older that it is a harder to concept to safely apply IMO... for example, letting your kids walk to school is scary IMO as if they don't arrive you are relying on the school to ring re: absenses... which even when they do it's normally not until an hour or so after they should have arrived but often I haven't even been rung (when I've forgotten to let them know). I use to drive or walk my DD1 to school and let her walk home cos if she wasn't home I could go looking for her... until the day a man pulled over in a car got out and chased her home ... I'm not at all an overprotective mother and when we moved to the country my oldest bused into town every day to finish the year at her school - she was 11 at the time... I'm just saying I think it's once you have to give your child that freedom without your supervision or being in close proximity that you can really see how much of a free range parent you can really handle being IYGWIM...
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i agree with you freckle, i dont think i could let my kids walk to school as i cant know for sure they got there also their school is 2-3k away and its mostly up hill, but if they are game enough to walk that far i dont mind them walking home.
the bus stop is about 100m from the letter box.

i saw the lady on dr phil when they were speaking about free range vs helicopter parenting. and yes it wasnt just her 9yr old getting on a bus blindly and didnt know what he was doing, and dr phil spoke to the boy and he didnt seem at all like he couldnt handle it. there was something she said in her book that made sence but im not sure if i want to go all that in to it lol.
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