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    Posted: 29 June 2010 at 8:01am
I have been following a basic eat/play/sleep routine throughout the day for my 6.5 week old boy and it's going ok for us so far. However I don't wake him during the day and let him sleep as long as he wants (because traditionally he didn't sleep much during the day but is doing better now). So sometimes he sleeps for 2 hours, other times 3 hours and sometimes even 3.5-4 hours. However he doesn't really do very long stretches at night, the longest is 4 hours but often it's 2-3 hours and I'm wondering whether I should follow a stricter 3 hourly daytime routine and ensure I feed every 3 hours even if that means waking him.....??

I'd be interested to hear other people's experiences, especially those who used to not follow a 3 hourly routine, but then instigated it and the effect it had on night time sleeping.

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I'm a big believer in frequent feeding during the day. I'd let Kiara get to 3.5 hours but not let her stretch to 4 hours at that age. My theory is that if they stock up on all their nutritional and fluid requirements during the day then they'll sleep better (with my vast experience of 1 child ). Also this teaches them a bit about day and night, ie that you wake more during the day than the night. I hated waking Kiara when she was asleep but you can do it gently - unwrap, turn lights on etc. Not sure if it was just luck, coincidence or our feeding regime but Kiara was sleeping 12 hours by 8 weeks old.
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I used to let Lily sleep as long as she wanted and tbh she now feeds 2-3 hourly during the day at 4 months. Her nights are still the same as yours. When I let her sleep as long as she wanted she still woke during the night frequently as well.

Babies, especially young babies, need to be fed quite frequent.

You could give it a try (feeding closer together) and see if it works, no harm in trying.

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I would feed DS 2 -3 hourly, until only recently and he has been sleeping through (mostly) from about 9 weeks. People gave me a hard time, especially on the 2 hour feed days but it was worth if for those full night sleeps.

He has never been a great day sleeper, but I would never let him go over 3 hours durign the day or we would pay for it overnight.

Thats great that you are in a routine this early on! Also, Plunket suggested not feeding straight away at every night wake up. I would leave DS for a few minutes and sometimes he would go back to sleep, and wake 2 -3 hours later. He was about 7-8 weeks when we started that and we were getting a 7 hour and a 5 hours stretch.

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I'm waiting for my own baby to arrive but have been a nanny off and on for the past 10+ years - and would have to agree with the feeding regularly during the day at 3hr intervals (and possibly shorter cluster feeds from 5pm till bedtime) and then letting bubs go for as long as they want during the night. Even if that means waking them during the day. Stick to your eat play sleep routine but make it a 3- 3.5hr routine and hopefully he will settle down.
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Thesaff - did you cluster feed and do a dream feed?

I was contemplating cluster feeding but then I heard you shouldn't do it after 8 weeks and given that my boy isn't far off 8 weeks I didn't think I should bother introducing it......

We don't do a dream feed, however my husband does wake him for the last feed before he goes to bed at around 10 or 11pm each night. So he sleeps from 6/7 till 10/11 and then from 10/11 till 1/2.....
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Kiara used to cluster feed in the afternoons feeding 1-2 hourly from about 4pm until we put her to bed. Her choice, not mine though. Now she only does 2 close together (5pm on the breast then her big feed from the bottle at 6:30 which she's always frantic for).

She went from the 3 hourly feeds at night to lasting from 8pm to 2:30 (5:30, 8:30 etc). Then about the next week this extended all the way to 5:30am (actually thinking about it now this is what she was doing at 8 weeks). It was about then that I tried the dream feed but I just couldn't get her to feed without waking her properly and I was worried about then making her get hungry for that extra feed so I didn't persist. Then at about 3 months old she just jumped herself to sleeping right through to 7-7:30. So we started putting her to bed earlier. We did introduce her evening meal of EBM in a bottle at about 8 weeks so I'm not sure if that helped the longer night sleep because I'm convinced she takes more from the bottle than from me. But it sounds like you bottle feed anyway so that wouldn't help.

Just remember every baby and mother is different. But personally I'd try the 3 hour feeding during the day and closer together if he wants it in the early evening and see if it helps.
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I let Lilla demand feed (she doesnt cluster feed, and generally feeds round about 3 hourly during the day, but if she wants it sooner she gets it, if she sleeps for 4 hours then thats fine too) and she sleeps from 10pm to 4am, then till 8am (was 9am this morning). But just cos it works for us doesnt mean it will work for you (I am so lucky to have such a good sleeper, I didnt sleep through the night till I was 2.5 years old. No matter what my parents did!)


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We did cluster feeding and my PN told me not to and if I didn't do it I'd get a break (don't know why she said it as I wasn't complaining) she told me to use a dummy but dd hated it!

She seems to have out grown the cluster feeding, although does it when we have a growth spurt.

When they are young I didn't see any harm in doing it, just cuddling and feeding... Meant we didn't get much done but oh well!

What would happen if your dh didn't do the dream feed?
We do our dream feed about 11/midnight, any earlier and she wakes sooner iygwim.
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Haha Emma! I didn't sleep through either which is why when people tell me Lily should be I find it odd, I certainly wasn't expecting her too!

We demand feed here also, but no sleeping through yet and she sometimes wakes 2-3 hourly during the night! Usually about 3 hourly though!
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doesnt and never did work here:) though i guess for a while he fed a lot and didnt sleep in evening and then had a long sleep..

we dont do a dream feed he wakes at 10-11 anyway
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they do say good day sleep helps with night sleep though but also not true for Liam..was true for my DS1 though
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Lily has awesome day sleeps! And is a good night sleeper too, just not long stretches, in fact she sleeps longer at night when we are out all day e.g 10-5 or something ridiculously long like that!
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PN today said if the sleep well during the day then they tend to sleep "better" at night...


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We went with the 'never wake a sleeping baby theory.' Our daughter slept as long as she wanted. I put a lot of effort into distinguishing daytime and nightime sleeping though - nighttime sleeps after 7 were always in her room, in the dark and I tried to keep things very quiet (no talking). During the day she slept with the curtains open (or out and about in the pram/ carseat). We had big chatty feeds and a nice play. She had roughly a three hourly feeding cycle, so would never have slept longer than 2.5hrs during the day - she would have woken herself up. She starting dropping night time feeds around six weeks, and by about 12 weeks she could do about 10 hours overnight - but never increased frequency of feeds during the day - still three hourly (I suspect the volume of milk increased). Good luck - it feels like ages waiting for them to start dropping feeds!
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I did the babywise routine with Jake and he was sleeping from 7-10pm, having a dreamfeed then sleeping through til 7 the next morning by about 7/8 weeks.
Tyler hasn't had a strict routine and sleepwise we've suffered. As of a week ago we went into a fairly tight 4hrly routine (again based on babywise, 4 hrly coz hes older) and hes now sleeping 7-10, dreamfeed then through til 6.30ish.
I recommend keeping s fairly tight routine, I personally think babies thrive on them. I would wake my kids up to keep them in the routine too.
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I always followed the eat/play/sleep routine as much as I could, DS was waking once or twice through the night at 5 weeks and a friend suggested I try 3 hourly feeds instead of demand feeding, which I did and honestly it worked wonders for us, that coupled with putting him in his own room from 6 weeks and he has slept through ever since (started doing 8-9 hours and now does 12 hours every night). Obviously now he's on a different schedule (4 hourly feeding) but I've always found schedule feeding so much better for him than demand feeding.

I would usually wake him if he passed the 3.5 hour mark for a feed during the day to start the routine over. And I too have always kept night and day extremely different for him - lots of talking and laughing during the day, curtains open, lights on etc. Then at night for that last feed, all lights off, no talking, no eye contact (although his eyes are usually closed during his last feed anyway)

We also didn't wrap for day sleeps past 6 weeks, only at night and I've kept that going now.


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When Isla was younger we stuck as close to a 3hrly routine as we could. When she was up we'd do the whole 'feed/play/change/sleep' thing and it worked well. The 3hrs went from when she went down. So she'd sleep for 3hrs, and be up for 1.5hrs. She was sleeping through from 7wks, but before that she would only wake once at about 3am anyway.
i was told by many people that the more quality sleep they get during the day, the more likely they are to sleep at night. It certainly works for us!
She now sleeps between 9-11hrs a night and has a 3hrs nap in the morning, a 2-3hr nap around lunchtime and 1.5hr nap in the afternoon and is then awake until 9.30pm when she goes down for the night.
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So I have been following the 3 hourly routine more closely since I posted but it hasn't made a difference to night time sleeping.

Spencer usually sleeps for 4 hours from 7pm and then does 3 hours and then maybe 2 hours!

He's now 7 weeks - is this normal??? It seems a lot of other babies his age are doing much longer stretches....
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LolaM at 7 weeks it's absolutely normal for him to be waking throughout the night, his tummy is still so small so he will need the feeds if he's waking for them. All babies are different too so don't let other babies sleeping through get to you!

There are babies in my due date thread who are still waking several times throughout the night and are 5-6 months old, I'm sure there are older babies who are doing the same!

In saying that, the 3 hourly routine didn't work instantly for us, it took a few days for us both to get used to it so maybe keep going and things may change. Either way, don't worry too much about it at such a young age.


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