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    Posted: 17 October 2009 at 5:01pm
My 11 day old will only sleep with me, which is lovely but not exactly convenient or comfortable and I'm really scared we're making a rod for our backs!

She just won't settle in her moses basket - I've tried swaddling which she seems to hate, holding her until shes in a deep sleep then putting her in and rocking her, laying her on a top that smells of me, tough love, and good old repetition but nothing seems to work.

Any advice greatfully received!!!
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Originally posted by GingerBaby GingerBaby wrote:

My 11 day old will only sleep with me, which is lovely but not exactly convenient or comfortable and I'm really scared we're making a rod for our backs!

She just won't settle in her moses basket - I've tried swaddling which she seems to hate, holding her until shes in a deep sleep then putting her in and rocking her, laying her on a top that smells of me, tough love, and good old repetition but nothing seems to work.

Any advice greatfully received!!!


Why not try a wrap/sling of some sort. Your baby is only young, being with you is exactly where she wants to be That isn't a bad thing! I found (still do) on days where she wants me, popping her in the moby wrap brilliant.
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I'm not going to be much help as that was the only place Issy would sleep for the first three months of her life! (I bought a sling so I could get on with life).

Dont worry, they eventually sleep on their own, by five months Isabelle was happy to sleep in her own bed
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I thought the exact same thing as you 3mths ago. I did everything I could to get her to sleep on her own, tbh I can't remember what I did it seems so long ago .

I have tried wrapping we have a houdini who got out, not wrapping, crying it out, cuddling, rocking, walking, bouncing, ignoring, sleeping in our bed, on the couch, in her bed, on us, beside us, I can honestly say I think we tried everything. We tried her stomach her back and her side.

I asked on here and the advise I got from everyone was do what you need to do to get her to sleep. The more sleep she gets the better the sleep as sleep breeds sleep. It does get better and easier and tbh I find it hard remembering what those first few weeks were like. I have a nephew who is 6weeks younger then DD and see all the issues that my brothers gf is going through and remember my frustration. Advise for the night is when she wakes up feed her and if she is ready to go back to sleep then put her down, if not then do what you need to to put her to sleep. I stopped changing DD unless it was a dirty nappy and wouldn't interact with her and it got to the point where she would only be up for 20mins at most during the night.

If she wants to sleep on you then let her do it, but when you feel up to it try sleeping her in different places, I did this from the beginning and DD can sleep anywhere. Seriously for the first 2weeks I did nothing round the house but care for DD and then we slowly worked on doing other things its only been the last week that I have been able to do housework as up until then DD wouldn't sleep during the day and she is able to play by herself. I still struggle to have a shower most days as DD wants me with her all the time.

Try to let your partner care for her as much as possible and she will get used to being away from you. Little guy loves being held regardless of whos holding him and when he's with another female he gets booby cuddles lol its cute and he's comfortable although I don't get much of a chance to cuddle him as DD screams or cries whenever I take him even if she's asleep

So basically do what works for you until she becomes comfortable and secure then she will be able to go down on her own and if need be co-sleep with her, we do this everynow and again even last night as I was too tired to get up to her and settle her properly and keep up the good work



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I second the recommendation for a sling or baby carrier of some kind - I have a mei tai and it is worth it's weight in gold really as my nearly 3 month old has all her day sleeps in it.

At 11 days old your baby is still adjusting to the outside world, she spent 9 months growing inside you so it would stand to reason that being as close to you as possible now is where she is most comfortable.

You aren't creating a 'rod for your back' - you are simply responding to your babe's needs, which is just how it should be.

I notice too that you are on the North Shore - if you are interested in trying out a couple of different carriers I have a few different ones in my own stash, just PM me for details.

I'd also recommend having a look at the Slingbabies website: www.slingbabies.co.nz
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Originally posted by GingerBaby GingerBaby wrote:

I'm really scared we're making a rod for our backs!


OK, my first piece of advice is ignore the phrase "making a rod for our backs". It was my MILs favourite comment (still it) and it caused me so much stress. Now I ignore it, albeit with gritted teeth.

When they're little, they're still working out what's what. We had a great sleeper till 2 months then it went downhill. I spent hours on this website looking at the sleep expert's advice (Alex Bartle). Babies don't develop sleep habits till about 4 months, so you have a bit of time up your sleeve.   At 11 days, my advice is do whatever it takes. Gradually you do want them to sleep by themselves but remember they've had 9 months of being next to your aorta, hearing your heart beat, being in a nice enclosed space .... Take a look at the advice from Alex - I found it really helpful. Also look at the Sleep Store advvice (www.sleepstore.co.nz) but remember that there is no magic cure that works for all babies.

I promise the baby won't still be sleeping on you when they're 18.

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Sorry to threadjack, but has anyone got any advice that doesn't require the child sleeping on the mother? I don't like it at all (personal opinion), plus I have a bad back, go to work 2 days (so not practical) and a very demanding toddler who wakes the baby all the time if she's on me.

Surely there's some advice other than, just let the baby sleep on you? Fine for first time mothers or those who have partners around to help, but not so fine otherwise.
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Couple of things come to mind:
a) if you don't mind baby on mum (and I know you don't but others might not) a Moby wrap or other carrier - tuck them in and let them sleep. I have a bad back but have found they're fine with my back
b) a hammock. this was our life saver. You can rent them from Parents Centre (if you're a member) or Baby on the Move. They're on an angle so good for refluxy babies. One of us would sometimes lie on the ground under it and rock it. Baby couldn't see us (so we didn't get the "it needs us to sleep" guilts that we got back then) but the movement really helped DS get to sleep and when he stirred, a little gentle rocking got him back to sleep. One great thing about hammocks is they usually come with frames/ceiling and door stands so they are transportable - we had him sleeping in the wardrobe at the ILs place with no issues cos he didn't need to switch between mattresses. So if Ava's in care when you're at work, there can be some continuity.
c) you can get cot rockers - hundreds of $ on TM. Never tried them but I did research them when it was all turning to sh*t.
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Ashley was like that for the first 3 weeks and then all of a sudden she was just happy in her bed. Just go with what works for now :)
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we had a hammock and had no probs getting him to sleep off us (except the 2nd night) we left it in the lounge so a) he got used to nosie and light during the day and b) becuase of our voices or sound of movement in general he never felt like he had been left. other than that we left him to cry if we knew without doubt there was nothing wrong with him. we have the crusiest baby in the world though. id love to say its cos of how we did things when he was young but i think it was pure luck. hope you find a solutioon soon. i couldnt stand the being slept on thing either. too many things to do that just werent possible (i went back to uni after a week)


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You're not likely to set any bad sleep habits at this young age.  Do what you have to do to get by for now with a view to encouraging your baby to sleep in their bassinette by 3mo.  You may find that she'll have some sleeps in her basinette and dead refuse other times, that's ok.  If you're comfortable letting her rest on you then do it, it's a great excuse to have a rest too or you can get a sling/wrap/frontpack so you can go about your day while she sleeps.

Google "the 4th trimester" and you'll get some great insight as to why many babies prefer to sleep on mum.  Basically the gist of it is that human babies are born too early.  Evolution has made our heads to big and pelvic bone too small so that if babies were born when they were ready they would most likely kill their mothers during childbirth   There's a lot of studies and opinions on the topic and it makes a lot of sense plus if you remember that Macy is for all intents and purposes still a helpless little foetus it will make you feel less like you're doing something wrong especially when confronted with unhelpful opinions (my MILs favourite was to say that I was ruining their bones by holding them while they slept it was very hard for her to back up that stupid comment when I pointed out there's nothing wrong with my 3yo who slept on me far more often, nor have I made a "rod for my own back" since she is a dream to put to bed and has been since I trained her at 10mo).

Emz I understand where you're coming from too and hopefully some of the things that worked for me will work for you.  Firstly I highly recommend you watch "the happiest baby on the block", when DS was younger we used his 5 s's (minus the dummy) to calm him down and send him off to sleep.  Once asleep it took 2 decades of the rosary (how ever long that is.... about 5-10 mins I guess) before he was so deep in sleep I could drop him from a great height onto his mattress and he'd remain asleep (not that I did).  His late afternoon nap he was impossible to get down and so I conceded that one and spent the time sitting in a comfy chair cuddling him while M watched tv. 

I started sleep training him when he stopped falling asleep easily using the happiest baby methods (I'd need to go back through my due thread to find out when that was but I think it was about 2 1/2 months old).  With sleep training it's completely up to you what method you choose (no-cry, cc, cio) you need to do what's comfortable for you but the most important things are consistency and confidence.  I'm not too keen on leaving babies to cry but have a cradle which meant I could rock him to calm him down without actually picking him up which I think helped hugely.   For us every bedtime has a set routine - read a story, swaddle, say prayers, sing a song as I put him to bed then turn on some background music (which is particularly useful to drown out household noises particularly the noise of an older sibling) that all takes about 5 mins so I'm not away from DD for long.  He now lies there quietly listening to music until he drifts off to sleep.  We sometimes still have issues with the last sleep of the day so I have a recording of me singing his bedtime song which gets put on repeat for him to listen to while he sleeps in his own cot.



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Woh, sorry for the novel.
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Emz -

If Elias wont sleep I stick him in the Ergo otherwise I wouldnt be able to tend to Isabelle, I dont have time to go through all the rigmarole to get him to sleep on his own in his bed.   (Although thankfully for the last month he has only required daytime Mummy help me sleep attention a handful of times, we went through a stage where it was every day every sleep!).

Also, if your at work you wont hear him fuss

Oh and the happiest baby on the block thing rocks, worked a treat with Issy, never needed it for Elias.
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I can lend you my Happiest Baby on The Block DVD if you would like to watch it? I also found it incredibly helpful.

I had a little bit of trouble getting Ty to sleep when he was very little, until I gave him a dummy! Have you used one with Macy? Some babies are very 'sucky' and it comforts them alot. Don't worry about her becoming attached to it at this stage, apparently babies don't become 'addicted' (lol) to dummies until around 3 months old, even then they're not bad. It is a fact that they actually help reduce the risk of SIDS. I also found Ty would only suck tommee tippee dummies, wouldn't have a bar of avent. So try different brands if she doesn't like whichever you try first.

I totally agree with the other ladies in that at 11 days old she needs to be near you. Being out in the big wide world is an enormous change for a little one, imagine how scary everything is for her, and being near you is the single most comforting thing for her



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I have heard one person use the trick of putting a watch in the cot/bassinet where baby was sleeping, one with a ticking sound so that baby had the feeling of having the tickinglike the beating of a hear. Maybe worth an idea



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Emz, Im the same as you , except for the going back to work part , the thing I found that worked best with Ty was noise , DH got a cd off the internet of waves crashing ,
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If I do have him sleep on me , then I use my moby , I like that my arms are free to do things and he usually falls asleep in it ,


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We found music really helped Lydia settle - we'd set the laptop up in her room and play my labour music CD, and it would settle her right down! Sometimes it would have to be quite loud.

For the first few weeks we did everything, she slept in a sling, in her moses basket in the lounge, in our bed (if she fell asleep feeding I'd sneak out and leave her there!). We also found wrapping really helped, we bought a miracle wrap and it was great! We also use a dummy, Lydia is a VERY 'sucky' baby and it comforted her tremendously.

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We used to feed to sleep, let him sleep on us, rock him to sleep, co sleep...everything that was bad just so we could have an hour or two sleep. Hes now grown out of it and WONT sleep with us, kind of sad, i miss it!
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Originally posted by HUNTD HUNTD wrote:

We used to feed to sleep, let him sleep on us, rock him to sleep, co sleep...everything that was bad just so we could have an hour or two sleep. Hes now grown out of it and WONT sleep with us, kind of sad, i miss it!


Us too! LOL He was 5.5 months when he refused to sleep in bed with us anymore and was about 6.5 months when he consistently stopped feeding/being rocked to sleep. He's meant to be our last baby so I was kinda hoping for a bit more of that before it was over. I so didn't like the 3 hourly waking at the time but I soooo missed it when it was over.
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Oh yes that's what else I did! Played white noise. I used a white noise cd until it played for sooo long the cd player broke So then I just put a radio on in between the stations. The first night I played it (I think it was at 3 weeks old) was the first night he slept 6 hours straight! So I kept playing it, but only at night time, and he slept through ever since. Some babies hate it though, it's just what worked for us.



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