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    Posted: 10 January 2009 at 9:40pm
Hello everyone

I'm just reaching 6 weeks but I'm already thinking ahead about things I know the least about... and that would natural child birth and water births.

I always thought I'd be the lady screaming for the drugs before stepping into a hospital gown but my thoughts have been changing to whats best for the baby, best for my body and trying to have a postive birthing experience...

So if any ladies would like to share some thoughts and experiences (good and bad!!!) I would really like to know if I'm kidding myself or I can really do this...

Thank you for your honestly in advance... and I'm sorry if there is an existing thread but I haven't been able to find it.
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You can really do this.  Women have been doing it for tens of thousands of years.

Like you I always thought I'd be asking for an epidural at the first sign of labour but once I got pregnant I decided I'd rather do things naturally so my first step was to get a midwife who was big on natural birth too (many are although some like prefer to interfere).  During my pregnancy I read as much as I could, got a pink kit (which I highly recommend) and talked to women who'd been through it too.  This time I also have a book called Birth Skills by Juju Sundin which is really good.

Good luck for a happy and healthy pregnancy and an amazing labour.



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Completely doable, and you are not kidding yourself at all. I was another who always thought I wanted every drug under the sun for labour before I got pregnant as my pain threshold is pretty pitiful.

Once I actually started doing some research I decided that I wanted to try and avoid epidurals, gas etc and try to go as natural with my pain relief as possible.

I had planned to have a water birth (to help with pain relief too), although due to circumstances it was not an option as my little boy decided he was in a hurry so was born at home so no chance of any drugs. I think that wanting to try and go drug free and preparing yourself emotionally can play a big part in it. Also have to agree on the point Jo made about having a midwife that has a more natural birth approach.

I am not going to tell you there will be no pain and will be completely easy because everyone is different and some times drugs are a necceassary thing.

But if it is something you want then by all means do some research and it is completely possible. Good Luck with the next 8 months
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It is so do-able. It's worth researching it and giving it a go, but also telling yourself that it's totally ok if you end up needing drugs.

I had a natural labour and birth with no drugs or gas.

Something that I found was really really helpful was using acupressure. There's a thread about it here

The thing with the pain is that you tell yourself it's not going to last, and that there's a reason for the pain... it's totally normal and the pain is good cos it means things are happening. As mrsmojo says, women have been doing it for thousands of years... it's what we were made to do.

If you're relaxed, it releases endorphins (hormones) which means you feel way less pain. When you get all stressed out, it releases adrenaline, which can have the opposite affect.

I read as much as I could during pregnancy, and talked to lots of women about their experiences. I knew that I couldn't really know what to expect, but I kinda did - I wasn't scared at all throughout the labour cos I knew what stage of labour I was in. I remember when I was in the pool at the birthing centre (didn't birth in there, just for pain relief) that I felt like I had 'crazy woman' eyes... so I thought to myself "oh this must be transition, feeling outta control, it's normal, I'll be able to push soon". Kinda hard to explain but it really helped being able to relate it to what I knew about the labour process. Antenatal classes helped too.

Wow that was a bit of a ramble sorry and it's late and I'm super tired so don't even know if that makes sense....
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The ladies who have already replied here have made some very good points, so I apologise if I sound a bit like a broken record.

You CAN do it. Our bodies (as women) are designed for this, and as Jo said women have been doing this for thousands of years.

My big thing was reading - I read, and read, and read some more... then I talked it through with a some of the ladies I knew who had BTDT (been there done that) to sound out what might work and what might not.

You're right about seeing it as a positive experience. Nothing rewarding comes without hard work - and at the end of it you get a beautiful, gorgeous little baby. Not all pain is bad pain either, but we are subconsciously influenced to fear it IMO and again it just takes a bit of effort to break through that barrier.

As for my own personal experience, I had a natural water birth (in hospital) with my daughter - I wasn't against drugs per say but I was going to do all that I could to avoid them! I used homeopathic remedies, acupressure, and then of course laboured and birthed in the water.

This time I'm planning to do it virtually the same way, except at home instead - as I feel that it will be more comfortable and relaxed for all involved.

Good luck and feel free to ask any more questions you might have hun.
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You can do it!!
The ladies above have made great points, labour and birth is what we were made to do.

I made the decision to have a natural birth, and I think it definitely helped to have a supportive MW and DH. Also at the birth centre, there was no epidural/pethidine available to me, and I was totally confident in my MW and in my own body that I could do it.

I read a lot about active birth during my pregnancy, and had seen my mum give birth at home twice, so I had an idea of what to expect. There are videos of births on Youtube as well.
I stretched during the last semester to help prepare my muscles for the birth. Highly recommend stretching your pelvic floor and all muscles in general really, as birth is a whole body experience and pushing can take its toll. Make sure the stretches are specifically for pregnancy though! I would squat for at least 20mins a day, usually while reading. Many books recommend at least 5mins. I recovered very quickly, and when baby was 2 days old I was out visiting my nana and shopping for more BF singlets etc.

Feeling positive about my birth experience has really helped me bond with my daughter. She has slipped into our lives seamlessly, and we feel so complete.
No matter what choice you make, your birth is a huge accomplishment and what really matters is the health of your baby and yourself. All the best for your pregnancy and birth, good luck xo


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Oh no ..

Im going to sound like such a downer .. but you probably want to know both sides of the story, as I only heard the good stuff so was completely ready to do it all naturally .. alas after 18 hours of labour and two hours pushing I was rushed into surgery for an emergency c.

I had done pregnancy yoga, the pink kit and was as prepared as I thought I could be.

A few things went wrong for me ..

Issy was two weeks overdue and my waters broke, however after 12 hours I was still not in labour so ended up in hospital so they could administer drugs to combat infection (I was booked in for an induction at noon the next day)

I went into labour naturally at midnight alone (as DH wasnt allowed to stay) in a strange environment. By the time DH was called and came back, I was 4cm dilated .. scared and confused, which made the pain even worse!

He straight away took over and as I wanted a waterbirth he ran the shower and managed to get me to the water .. to my utter horror I hated the feel of the water and it just seemed to burn!

At that stage I think I just got so scared as my plan wasnt coming to fruition that it all went pretty much down hill from there.

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It can be done .. you just need to have an open mind and realise that your dream may not come true, that way you dont beat yourself up for hours trying to do it all naturally (to the point where your baby gets distressed and they end up cutting it out)
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I absolutely agree with what lilfatty said.  It's good to have a birth plan and be prepared for a natural birth and the majority of the time if that's what you want then that's what you'll get but always keep an open mind because at the end of the day the most important thing is to deliver a healthy baby and if a natural birth is not on the cards for me this time then I will thank God that I live in a time where medical professionals are available to help deliver baby safely. 

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I agree lilfatty. I had a MW all for natural labour, and apart from being induced, I managed to get myself almost fully dilated without much except gas. However, seems my body wasn't designed to carry and push out a 9lb baby, so things went haywire from there and also wound up with a caesar. Felt gutted at the time that I had got so close, but have to accept that is the way my body is built.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is be prepared for every eventuality, as NOBODY knows how things will turn out. Best of luck though and get well informed.


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Yep totally agree with lilfatty too. As I said first off, it's worth researching it and giving it a go, but also telling yourself that it's totally ok if it doesn't end up happening how you imagined. The most important thing is that you have your wee bubba

Although my labour and the birth was natural with no drugs, afterwards was a different story. I tore pretty bad and had to be transferred to the hospital to have surgery. I would have tore regardless of whether I had drugs or not, because my boy was big (9lb 3oz), with a huge head (39.5cm), plus he came out with his hand on his face, so his elbow ripped me on the way out . The only thing that would have stopped me tearing would have been if I'd had a c-section, and even if I was in the hospital they wouldn't have done that.

As a result, it's recommended that next time I have an elective c-section for medical reasons. There's a 1 in 4 risk that I could tear again (or worse) and be left incontinent (of the yuckest sort ) and I really don't wanna take that risk. So next bubba will be a totally different birth to my first, and I was a bit guttered when I first was told, but now I'm comfortable with it and it's all good.

After all that rambling, my point is....... it wasn't in my 'plan' (not that you can plan how it's going to happen, but you can dream) that I would have tore bad and needed surgery and heaps of drugs afterwards, but it happened and it was ok. Cos I had my baby.
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Definately having an open mind helps - don't be too set on having a certain type of birth. My philosophy was always to wait and see - I figured I'd see how bad the pain got, then try gas, then move on to an epidural if necessary. Probably the only real decision I made prior to the birth was that I would stay at home for as long as possible before going into hospital, as I don't particularly like hospitals.

I ended up having the dream birth, I admit a lot of it came down to luck as I was only in labour for 6 hours from first contraction onwards, and was 9cm by the time I arrived in hospital, and DD was born 2 hours later without any stitches required. I only ended up having gas (which was fantastic - gotta love the gas!) but if I had ended up with an epi, then so be it, I wouldn't have been devastated.

So while it's great to have a plan and want a natural birth, my advice would be to accept that there are certain things which may be out of your control, and be prepared to go with the flow.
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Thank you so much ladies for honest advice. My first thoughts going towards my decision is I believed there was a direct link to lack of knowledge and fear which increased pain and anxiety making the labour a worse experience. Plus I agree that having an open mind will be a great aid as since I've never done this before and I can't tell my baby and my body what to it's a complete mystery ride!
Please keep the experiences and advice coming, I feel so much more encouraged already!
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I totally agree with lilfatty here. I had a very similar experience as her. I was all for the "natural birth" and managed to achieve this for 27 hours of labour and 3 hours of pushing, but then it all went pearshaped and I was rushed in for an emergency c section. I was 38 weeks pregnant, DD was posterior with forehead presentation and she was 9lbs!! There was no way she could fit out naturally with her position and size!!

I went into labour with a totally open mind yet desperately wanting that "natural birth" and willing to trying anything to get what I wanted, but it wasn't to be. It has taken me over year to accept the fact I had a c section, I never thought "it would happen to me" and dealing with the emotional issues of going through a traumatic birth has been challenging, but at the end of day I got my baby girl and thats all that matters The thought of number 2 scares the pants off me, but I will deal with the hurdle when I come to it
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yep agree with lilfatty aswell just try to go with the flow we can not control labour
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I agree with what everyone else has said.

Reading helps - I read 'Birth Skills' too (well only the intro and chapter 1 - bubs came early!) and that put me in the right mindset as well as giving me some practical skills for labour.

I chose to go to a birth centre (no epi available etc) and had a homebirth midwife. Her belief in my ability to labour naturally and her support definitely gave me and DH the confidence we needed.

I am fortunate that all went to plan - giving birth was a very empowering experience for me.
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I didn't have a natural birth, I had the gas and an epi that didn't work and I was also induced. But I am sooooo happy with how everything went. And I know I could do it naturally if I wanted, but the gas is really fun

I too highly recommend the pink kit. It completly took away any fears I had about the labour/birth and I was really looking forward to it.
I feel that if you are looking forward to having your baby and you know what your body is doing then it can be much easier to relax.
My mw was expecting me to have a cs, I decided I would like to give labour a go anyway. Mw said my baby would be about 8lb which may be too big for me and we were both prepared for an emergency cs. But then my darling girl decided she didn't much like her waters being drained so she came out, all 9lb 4 oz of her!
I know I had her vaginally and quickly just because I was prepared and relaxed, also open-minded about what could happen.

So YAY for the Pink Kit

Although I didn't do the perenial massage nearly enough as I figured there was no point, I'm having a cs. Joke was on me
Next time I will be massaging that perenium like no one's business lol

ETA I didn't have the gas until 6cm when I had meconium on my waters so they needed to give me the drip to sort my contractions out. Up until then I had showers and baths for pain relief.

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Originally posted by peachy peachy wrote:

The thought of number 2 scares the pants off me, but I will deal with the hurdle when I come to it


Yeah thats my problem only Im going to have to deal with sooner than may be ready for
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Originally posted by lilfatty lilfatty wrote:

Originally posted by peachy peachy wrote:

The thought of number 2 scares the pants off me, but I will deal with the hurdle when I come to it


Yeah thats my problem only Im going to have to deal with sooner than may be ready for


Julia are you going to try for VBAC or elective? I am not even pregnant with number 2 but am already thinking about what I would choose.

TBH I am petrified of either

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I'm going to try for a VBAC.

Mostly because I hated hospital with a passion AND Ive "stolen" Emma's midwife and she is soo lovely and totally reassuring.

I think Im ok with the whole scenario as she has assured me that they would never let me labour as long this time (unless I wanted to carry on) before getting the baby out.

She also told me (and this was the part that synched it for me) that if at any stage I felt I couldnt cope that they would take me straight into surgery and get the baby out.

So .. I get to "give it a go" while knowing that I wont be left to labour for hours on end.
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Oh great, that sounds very reassuring, she sounds like a fantastic MW!

I my MW I had with Lauren so I will use her again when the time comes. She assures me my next birth experience will be a whole lot better. I hope she's right
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