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    Posted: 04 February 2010 at 11:32am
3 things I dont know what is going on and not sure if Im getting wrried about 'normal' newborn behaviuor of if these things arent right.
1)- green poo
2)- hrs of being unsettled/grunting/crying/farting around 4-6.30am every morning.
3) - spots that come and go - ? hives or heat spots.

Aiden has had green poo on and off for 2 weeks now. Was green for a whole week - DH described it as looking like basil pesto lol, then was back to yellow for 2 days, then green again for 2 days then yellow again- looks like its going green again now too.
Hes pretty relaxed and bfs well most of the time, and is gaining weight well. He is feeding around 2 1/2-3hrly day and night- settles well after each feed during the night and then from around 4am-6.30am each morning for last 2 weeks he grunts sooo loudly, farts heaps, grunts, cries, I can sometimes settle him again, and sometimes he doesnt wake but grunts and squirms and farts etc.
He gets these spots that look like a bite with a red edge, never more than 2 at a time usually on his face, and when they go new ones appear. Not the same as the hormone spots- he had heaps of them at a day old but they only lasted a day or so- he has a few odd ones now but hardly any.
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mmmhhh... jacob has had green poos on and off as well. i rang plunket line as they asked if i ws BF him more in the humid weather and for shorter bursts, I was they said he would be getting lots of fore sugary milk and this makes green poos.

Green poos are normal in a healthy baby.
they said to watch out for fever, if he's un settled, and if the poo is foul smelling, then it's a concern.

Give them a ring, they are very helpful.
unsure what the spots are, have you tired any different or new food ?

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The spots sound like either heat rash or hormone spots to me.

The green poos is from lots of foremilk, you could try block feeding, which is to offer one side for 3-4 hours (offering often), and then switch to the other side, so they get more fatty hindmilk.

The farting episodes sound like trapped wind, but I haven't really had any issues with this with either of my babies so not sure what to suggest sorry love - maybe Infacol?

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sounds normal to me... gabriel used to get quite windy about that time too and the only thing that would settle him was a teaspoon or two of cooled boiled water.

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My first thought was too much foremilk as well, I think too much foremilk can also cause wind issues.

Green poos and crying, back arching etc can be a sign of an allergy so if you try reducing foremilk and are still have issues then it might be good to take dairy (the most common allergy in babies) out of your diet for 2 weeks to see if that helps. I found with Kyle I could drink milk in tea but if I ate cheese/yoghurt or had too much milk he would do green poos and would start screaming and making refluxy burpy noises (but didn't spill up), he out grew it quickly though. He also had skin issues which was lots of bumpy little spots and crusty patches around his ears and bad cradle cap. The spots your boy has sound more like heat rash/hormone spots.

Its most likely just too much foremilk though so definitely give that a shot first.

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Cool thanks guys. Yeah i did try block feeding after reading the responses to someone elses post asking about green poo- it did seem to improve it, but it keeps coming back every few days.
Isla had silent reflux, dairy allergy and eczema. Im hoping we not heading down that track again
She was incredibly unsettled all the time, never fed for more than a few mins at a time, screamed during and after every feed, with pulling up of legs, back aching. She never slept well or deeply. She never had green poo, but farted heaps.

Will try the cooled boiled water tonight. Midwife should be coming today so will ask her again too.


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Spencer had dairy issues too, he ended up on neocate and only started eating dairy recently. Kyle did seem to be reactive to it as a newborn but has been fine for sometime and eats cheese, yoghurt, has cows milk on his cereal all with no reaction, even though he definitely showed signs of it as a newborn. So even if he is reacting to it now it doesn't mean he will be as bad as Isla.

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Oh thats good to know. Everytime he cries I get overwhelmed with feelings of dread, scared that things will be as bad as they were with her. Although she was unsettled from birth and he is not like that at all, so I should really stop comparing the 2 of them and freaking out!
Still havent heard from midwife, but think I will make drs appt for tomorrow anyway and get him checked out, and maybe get gav if dr thinks we should give it a go.
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Green poo is totally normal and is just the foremilk and if you are really worried take him to the Dr's. If he was formula fed it can be to do with too much iron (but dont think this is a problem with breastmilk) but if you are on iron tablets perhaps go off them or on a lower dose (discuss with Dr first if they put you on this)

As for the trapped wind. It is round and a about the time Andrew had it and it would wake him up and had real difficult time with it. Lots more than McKayla. I found it useful to just go walking with him and swaying him sort of and the movement help to dislodge it more. Rubbing his tummy and massaging it as well helped. It stopped at 2 months.

That spots sounds like either hormone spots or heat spots. McKayla had tons of them as she was born in Dec in SA and it was really hot. Andrew is getting it now too and I first freaked as it was a bit different than hers and I started to think it might be a food allergy. If I drank too much dairy he seemed to spit up more ect. And same with spots until I realise he gets it when he didnt have dairy in baking too.

It is harder with number two isnt it? I swear it was a lot easier with McKayla and I had to learn NOT to compare as it made me more paranoid.


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Yeah DH and I are really quite paranoid cos it was so hard with Isla with all her problems, so scared of a repeat. I want depseratly to be able to continue to bf for well over a year- with Isla I got to 10 months but was on such a resticted diet by then to try help her reflux and ezcema as well as being dairy free, and she was still sick, so she went onto pepti jr (formula on special authority presciption from specialist) and did better on that.
Aiden is fully bf, Im not on iron tabs, and I dont drink cows milk. I do have a bit of cheese every couple of days I guess when its included in dinner.

Havent heard from midwife, she was ment to come yestertday am but was at a birth, but havent heard from her since. Have made a Dr's appt for tomorrow am anyway, cos if I left it to ring tomorrow wouldnt get an appt.
Thanks everyone for your replys.
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Hugs Kellz. I can totally relate to your fears. I was quite worried around the 3 week mark as that is when it all went wrong with Elle. You're right though that he is a different baby so very very unlikely to be the same. Even if he has similar struggles you'll be onto it and get it sorted so much earlier so in a way it'll be easier. Hopefully that won't be the case though.

Sounds like you have been given great advice. I'll just throw in that Ash (who is a very very calm, settled and happy baby...not at all like her sister!) was similar in the wee hours of the morning. She didn't seem windy at any other time but sounded it in the early hours. I didn't figure out quite what it was but it resolved completely at around 6 weeks or so I think.

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Thanks Fiona. Yeah I can only imagine what u were going through too with #2 after all the stress with Elle. Gives me hoep tho that siblings can be soo diff. Its so uncanny how similar Aiden looks to Isla tho, guess that doesnt help with the comparisons!
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Update-
Went to Dr last fri, and he said that the red spots are just hormone spots, and the other symptoms dont sound like reflux. We started using infacol at he night feeds to see if it improved the wind problem that starts 3-4am ish.
Aiden now hasnt had any green poo for over a week, and the spots are still there but are not any worse.
The nights however seem to be getting worse. He is still pretty settled and feeds well in the day. We happily sleep in his cot and can sleep lying flat. Is settled in the evening and breast feeds approx 3 hrly, settled well after each feed then around about 3 he starts with the grunting, going red, thrashing his head from side t side, pulling legs up, srying etc. I try feeding him- which he wnt take when he like that, try dummy. I can get him to settle but only briefly, and he wakes if I try to put him down or even to lie down with him on my chest. Then come 6 or 7 am it all gets better and hes back to being happy and more settled.
Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Hes so tired in the night too, its not like hes awake thinking its day or anything. We have taking him to osteo twice, been using infacol for a week, had him checked by dr, midwife and plunket all in the last week- they all dont think theres anything wrong, but man Im so exhuasted and scared there is smehting that we are missing, or something I could be doing to help.
We had appt with lactation consultant today but she was away- Aiden often clicks when he feeds and one of my friends thought he might taking in air that way.
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Just had an idea Kellz, sounds like wind attacks to me, and a friend with an *extremely* windy baby had a lot of success taking her babe to a cranial osteopath who specialised in treating children. Is there anyone in your area like that you could enquire with?
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Thanks. I have taken Aiden twice already, but its made not much difference.
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I had quite a windy baby so can completely relate, he sounded like a drain pipe in his cot at night.
Have you tried elevating his cot at night? and also with his night feeds maybe keeping him upright for longer post his feeds cause they are so sleepy sometimes they hold onto their wind more, also we found that bouncing on a swiss ball with him helped get his wind up better, and put him to sleep. Also he slept on his side from a very young age. One thing my midwife showed me was rolling up a towel or nappies and putting it on his tummy to put pressure there.

Hope it starts getting better for you,
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*snap* Jo! I was about to suggest elevating the cot. We put a pillow underneath the mattress and the elevation seemed to help Bethany a bit. Or maybe even a safety sleep or something to put a bit of pressure on his tummy overnight might help? Hugs, hope you're able to find a solution!!


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Thanks guys. We have been elevating his bassinette from birth as a precaustion since Isla could never lie flat. She slept with bug phone books elevating her cot then her bed for over 2 yrs!
We have also been side sleeping him since birth too.
Have just tried the pressure on his tummy thing- using a wheat bag- not warmed up tho, and hes now settled, yay! Thanks guys!
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