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    Posted: 13 February 2010 at 2:27pm
Hi there,

I do hope someone can help me out with some advice here. I have an adorable baby boy who is almost nine months old. Over the last couple of weeks he has started to get what I can only describe as a wee bit boisterous to say the least.

Initially he started grabbing at my prescription glasses and no matter how much I say "No" in a stern voice he thinks it is a game now and is doing even more to the point I am now wearing my contact lenses every day as I am terrified he is going to break my glasses (and I really can't afford to replace them at present). In addition to this he has taken to grabbing hold of my hair albeit to give me kisses but again he is getting really rough to the point where he is grabbing fistfuls of my hair out!.

This week he has learnt to undo the tabs on his nappy and quite literally lies there on the change table and smirks at me as he is pulling the tabs despite again me saying no.

The straw that has really broken the camels back this week is that he has now started to pull the hair and clothes of other children at coffee group and is generally quite rough with them.

In all honesty I never imagined myself as a Mother being in this position as I am a mature woman and cetainly not a walk over however my little boy is only nine months old and I feel like I am constantly saying no to him and getting nowhere, is this down to his young age or am I doing something wrong.

I so don't want to be a Mother who walks into the room and all the other Mum's move their babies as mine is a "little monster" (as I affectionately call him)!, I need to instill discipline but what is the best way to do this for a baby of such a young age.

I would really value the feedback of other Mum's who have maybe expereinced something similar.

Thanks Ladies in advance
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My son is exactly the same. He has always been the boisterous one at coffee group. He was walking very early and I was always stopping him from pulling the other babies hair and biting. He is 13months now and generally only pulls at their clothes to kiss them, but it still unsettles them.
My glasses have been broken :( and there are a few cupboards he isn't allowed in that I can't for the life of me baby proof (they open a funny way, and he knows how to get around the clip on them) He has also broken the store bought baby clasps on heaps of the drawer doors, just by constantly trying to get into them.
I put duct tape on some of them and he just peels it off!!
I have tried saying NO very firmly...he just goes straight back to what he was doing. Same if I take him away from them, he goes straight back, stares at me, laughs and tries again.
My hair has also been pulled out, I have a couple pf really short tuffs I need to gel down!!

I don't really have much advice sorry. I would love some too! I do know though that at this age they have no understanding of "Mummies stuff" and "My stuff" Everything is for the taking, and I am just riding it out.

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One thing that does help is 'blocking' When he goes to grab another baby etc, instead of grabbing him and moving him away, try putting your open palm between them and saying Stop. Also distraction helps me sometimes. When he is going for the cupboards I will do the block, then take him to his toys and sit with him for a little bit.
It is frustrating though isn't it!
It in no way means you are a bad parent. Some babies just have very strong wills.

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Hi ladies I have no advice as to how to stop but I went through the same thing with my little boy and also with little boys I had in care at the same age. It is a stage and it will get better. Alex is still a typical boy and likes to be 'rough' but knows what he can and cannot be 'rough' around. He has never broken a pair of my glasses despite trying very hard to do so but I got a few pairs just in case as I found a website where you can get glasses way cheaper than you can here (zennioptical.com). We are now at the discovering how things work stage so I often walk into the lounge to discover the freeview pulled out with it's plugs hanging loose (not electrical ones he can't get to those). Boys will be boys
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I use the word Gentle a lot, with other kids and remove him if he is getting too excited with other kids.   Pretty much the only thing that I've found works is baby proofing EVERYTHING because otherwise my whole day is spent using the word no and thats not very fun. And with the glasses I just put him down if he tries to go for my glasses and say no. But I do get warning because he looks at them for quite a while first before he grabs. I've found a lot of it is the attention he gets and if I ignore him he does get bored quite easily. Boys do like to push the boundaries.
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Oh you poor sausage! Mine is going thru this and he's nearly 2. he'll kick / hit / scream / touch things when i'm saying no and gives me 'that' look while he's doing it.. it can be impossible sometimes, cant it! I find what works is I talk to him like he's a grown up - he knows EXACTLY what i'm talking about too, i swear these kids dont let on half the stuff they understand. i'll explain to him why what he's doing isnt good enough. I've had to smack his hand a couple of times for doing unsafe things multiple times after being told no, having it explained and trying to remove him from the area/remove the thing he's trying to pull down on himself.. it has worked, he started getting into the cutlery drawer in the kitchen and was pulling knives out etc. The drawer has three locks on it - all of which he will undo, but it gives me time to get up and stop him.

I guess for you that your wee person is that little bit too small to explain stuff to. Maybe remove him from certain situations where he's going to be doing stuff that you dont want him doing.. with the hitting etc, make him sit on your knee and show him what fun the other kiddies are having without them all hitting each other etc.. maybe even some sort of reward system. It might just work with a bit of trying!
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they dont really get NO. distraction is good and telling them to be gentle and showing them how to play gently is good also. they quite often dont know they are hurting someone and need to be shown how to play appropriately. so maybe if he is pulling your hair, say ow that hurts mummy! if you want kisses, cuddle mummy... and give him a cuddle to show him what you want. you will have to do it a few times of course, but NO wont help as they dont yet understand what that means for them.

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I agree with Bizzy, babies don't get the ides of "negative". In order for children to be kind, we can't say to them, 'don't be mean' and think that they will know what to do. We have to show them how to be kind, ie: say things like, 'use gentle hands' and show them what gentle hands look like, and 'we just look at faces with our eyes' etc etc.(a bit fluffy I know, but you gotta do what you gotta do).

Take the path of least resistance is my motto. the other day my girl was playing with a box that I had left on the floor(my fault) and I didn't want her to play with it. Instead of saying, 'no, don't touch', I just got really excited about the books on the shelf. She obviously thought the books were then way more fun, so crawled over and I moved the box. No conflict
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Oh you poor thing! My little man is at a similar age and does the same things!

We also say 'gentle' lots and show him what it means, with 'no' I either tap him on the knuckle with my finger at the same time as saying no in a stern voice (if he is reaching for something e.g. computer cords, DVDs) or remove him or both. And distract him straight away with something else.

You just have to be consistent with him, even though he won't know the meaning of word he'll pick up what he is being told by the tone of your voice.

Good luck!
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Yup we say "gentle" and find he actually responds to a low "u" (phonetically) sound. I we say it he stops immediately.... If we say no, stern or otherwise he just thinks its conversation and smiles.... So we say no and stop him doing what it was he was doing (ie take his hands away, remove him from the situation) but we do find the sound works better so we make the sound and then say no.

2 weeks ago he would grab at our cats and rabbits, now we say "gently" and he pats them so softly..

They dont understand the negative, they have just discovered something new and normally they get praise when they learn something new and now all of a sudden Mummy isnt happy.. must be awfully confusing for them


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I agree with using gentle as well. Jackson can sometimes get a bit rough, mainly with me and DH thank goodness, and we say gentle to him and he settles down. We havent said 'no' to him yet so he wouldnt understand that. But saying Gentle works well here.
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Generally children of 9 months do understand the word 'no', although they may chose not to listen to it. On average children begin to respond to 'no' around 6ish months. It is actually pretty amazing what young children do understand as their receptive language is generally way ahead of their expressive language.

No matter what word you choose to use the main thing is you are consistent with the language and consequence (e.g. removing him from the situation)... It's hard when they go through these phases and really tests your patience! Good Luck!!
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Blocking is a good technique - I'm using it with the glasses at the mo too! I thought we'd got past the fascination, but it's started up again in the last week or so. Hand goes up, blocks, and "don't touch", she does understand and usually gives up after 2-3 goes.

We use phrases like "be gentle", "be careful" a LOT, DD is always into EVERYTHING and can be a bit rough and tumble!
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Oh man I SO could have written your post! My DS is rather boisterous now too. We got off really lightly for the first 11 months as he didn't crawl till then .... now he is walking and into EVERYTHING and everyone. I too wear contacts most days because I don't want my glasses broken And C can get past the safety catches on our cupboards and is reaching newer and more exciting things every day!

Saying "gentle" is starting to work here (C is 14 months), he will use gentle touch if I remind him as he goes to touch another child and he's really into kisses and cuddles at the moment too.

I find the hardest time is hanging out with my bestie at the moment - her DD is 11mo but just a poppet at only 7.5kg and I think she finds C really overwhelming now that he is moving around so much Plus he is literally almost twice her size.

C definitely understands "No" but that doesn't mean he will listen It sometimes slows him down though.
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My son has always been a rough and tumble little boy, he STILL yanks my glasses off my face, and has only recently really started listen when we say no(he is nearly 20 months)
A 9 month old wont understand no, so I would just move his hands away and say "gentle".
DS went through a hitting phase, and we started saying "be Gentle" or "Loves" and show him how to be nice.

Nowdays, he gets told No about 1000 times a day and he understands, and will leave what he is doing and we find something else for him to play with.
He is sometimes rough with his baby sister, but not on purpose, and we say "Love for bella" and he will hug her or pat her gently.

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Ty has definitely understood what the word no means since he was about 7 months old when he began crawling and getting into things... I try to only ever say 'no' if he is trying to touch something dangerous (power plug / electrical cable) and 'don't touch' if it is anything else. Otherwise 'no' just becomes 'that word mummy says all the time' and won't be as effective. I think it's also very important to explain why you are saying no and say please when you are asking them to do or not do something...

None of my draws have kiddy locks on them yet, if he goes to them and tries to pull them I just say 'Tyler - please don't touch that, come over here and look at this or go and choose a book', the distraction seems to work really well. Sometimes I need to do it a few times and it does get tiring but it always works and there is usually no drama.

With the hitting, alot of little ones just don't actually know how to say 'I want to play with you', hence the hitting. They need to be shown how to communicate this in a more desirable way I use 'gentle' alot as well



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Emily was very similar with my glasses almost overnight she developed an obbsession, I also used the blocking.

She laughs at me whenever i say No and carrys on doing what ever it was i told her no for, However when her grandfather says no she stops instantly and sometimes crys.... ive told him i may need a recording lol.

we also say gentle alot especially with the dog.

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Wow, what a heap of responses to my questions and some great suggestions. Thank you so much once again Ladies for taking the time to respond.
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