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    Posted: 28 January 2010 at 11:16am
We hope to be pregnant with baby number 2 in the next 6mths and I'm already having mixed feelings about baby's birth lol I guess I'm just trying to figure out how I'm going to start the decision making process.

With Hayden I went to 16 days over due, I was 3cm dialated and the hospital was super busy so they hoped I go into labour naturally (was in hosp for 3 days), but I didnt and was induced and it pretty much sucked, got to 7cms then stalled, had epi to 'relax' and still didnt progress infact reports say I went backward, then I got pre-eclampsia and the Dr's thought that Hayden was a bad fit for my pelvis and it was extremely unlikely he was coming on his own so we had a c-section on the 17th day overdue.

I originally planned on a water birth with low intervention at a MidWife led unit, the text book water birth would still be my ideal but after having a baby and making friends with lots of new Mums and hearing all the various birth stories I know that its unlikely that I'd get that ideal birth, there are so many unknowns for each birth.

The thought of tearing / being cut horrifies me, as do the stories of distroyed pelvic floors. But there is still a part of me that doesnt want to 'cop out' and just book an elective c-section. I cant decide if that's cos I think I *should* give birth 'properly' because that is what so many women strive for - the perfect VBAC etc.

So I guess I'm asking for those who went for a VBAC are they happy they did or in hindsight would they have gone for the c-section. Or likewise any elective c-sections that regret it and really wish they'd tried for the VBAC.

My DH cant believe I'd even consider VBAC and I kinda agree when I think of all the things that could happen but there is just this naggy part of me that insists that my body was designed to give birth so I should at least try.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

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I want to give it a go (vbac) and right up to the point where the specialist said "I think we need to take you in and cut this baby out" I was all prepared to give it a go and see what happened.

So .. I wanted to try, but wouldnt have been too dissapointed with having to have an emergency c, as I figured that I had given it a shot and if it had gone well then fantastic and if not at least I knew they were going to keep an eagle eye on me and get me into theatre way before it was a real emergency.

Anyhoo .. when the specialist said that she STRONGLY advised me to have an elective the next morning (no mucking around) I just figured that was the way god had planned it .. so went in and had him cut out.

As long as the baby comes out .. it doesnt really matter how.
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Originally posted by kiwikid kiwikid wrote:

I originally planned on a water birth with low intervention at a MidWife led unit, the text book water birth would still be my ideal but after having a baby and making friends with lots of new Mums and hearing all the various birth stories I know that ITS UNLIKELY THAT I'D GET THAT IDEAL BIRTH, there are so many unknowns for each birth.


This quote stuck out alot and this thread VBA2C's sprung to mind It is most certainly do-able!

I haven't had a CS, but know damn well that nothing is impossible! If having a VBAC is what you want then go for it. But you definetly need the support of your DH!

Good luck with your decision
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KK, what's it like with VBACs in the UK? Are they (medics) generally pro-them and supportive? I'm wondering if the NZ maternity system is better set up to support you in the ideal VBAC?

Sorry - that sounds doom and gloom but it may be a factor.
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Basically the choice is mine I believe, I think the reasons why you had your c-section are taken into consideration - mine were pregnancy specific I believe rather than a funny shaped pelvis etc so there shouldnt be any pressure to deliver a certain way.

I think its more my own fears holding me back. A good friend has had terrible troubles since her baby was born and I feel so much for her.

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I'm the other way around. Vaginal birth first time and emergency c-section second time. And even though first time I was cut 'down there' had the suction cap personally my recovery time was way better first time. I was feeling like me old self within less than a week.
Also before Lilly I had been having problems with my pelvic floor muscles since I was 10years old. Afterwards my pelvic muscles were stronger than ever before.

So I would say that if you have a supportive DH, midwife and specialist, and you feel emotionally up to it, try for your VBAC.
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I had a emergency c-section first time and VBac with my second.

My second labour was completely different to the first. I too was terrified that I wouldn't be able to deliver naturally and put a lot of stress on myself worrying about it all but it all turned out okay in the end (with a little help from the epidural).

The recovery from a vaginal birth is definately much quicker. I was out shopping within four days whereas after my c-section I didn't venture out for weeks. I do have a little trouble with my pelvic floor but nothing a few exercises won't fix (if i could remember to do them).

My advice is to give it a go if it feels right and try not to put too much pressure on yourself.
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I haven't had a c-section so can't comment on that side of things but something that always sticks with me is this insane thing that women do to each other and that is recount their 'horrific' birth stories to anyone who will listen. I heard them ALL before DS1 was born, and though it niggled at the back of my mind I wasn't scared as such. You know what, beside the fact that I didn't get the water birth I truly wanted (or the home birth either) my birth was about as far from horrific as you can get, in fact it was close to 'perfect". I had a slight tear that required NO stitches and there's absolutely nothing wrong with my pelvic floor. If anything DS2's birth exceeded all my expectations and again, far from horrific it was the most wonderful thing I've ever done.

I have a friend who had an emergency c-section who is adamant that she is not allowing what happened to her during her daughter's birth to happen again and she's planning on having a VBAC at home for any future children. I know her story well, and she's always venting her frustration at people who tell her that what happened to her (and it was pretty 'horrifying') didn't matter because her daughter is alive and well; it might not matter to the person saying it, but it matters to HER, and enough that she says she's never going to hospital again. LOL

There's a saying about when you think you're done having babies that goes "you don't regret the children you have, just the ones you don't".....not sure how you'd apply it to this situation, or even if you can, but if it was ME, I'd rather have a chance at another vaginal birth, even if I ended up with another c-section because at least I knew I tried my best where as if I opted for an elective c-section, I'd personally feel like I copped out...but that's me and you're not me so that probably hasn't helped has it? LOL

DS1 was born in a UK hospital and DS2 was born at home here in NZ......just in relation to a comment Flissty made I certainly felt way more supported in my choices here than I ever did in the UK, in fact in the UK I felt I had zero choices (just got told how it was going to be)and the only thing that the NHS compromised on was which hospital I could go to to have DS1 as I was too 'high risk' to go to a birth centre or have him at home. Why you ask, for NO other reason than he was my first baby. But then maybe things have changed in the 6 years since he was born?
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I had an elective for my first and an emergency for my second.     First time around, Sam was presenting knees first and there was no way he was going to turn or come out so an elective c-section was the only way to go.

Second time around I had a head first presenting baby so my MW and I were just treating it like a first time birth and definitely heading towards a VBAC.    It was my choice and she fully supported me, and even though I would have to be monitored the entire time, we were all confident that things would go smoothly.    

Because I had no idea of how my body would react to labour, I went into it fairly confident that I would just push him out.     After a very very long labour, only getting to 6CM, and a failed epidural, I called time on it and screamed and yelled for a c-section.

I don't regret trying for my VBAC as I gave it my best and although it failed, he was happy and healthy which was the only thing I really cared about.

In hindsight however, had I known what was going to happen, I would have opted for an elective as my first one was 100% less traumatic on me.    After my elective, although in pain, I was alert, he was alert and I didn't find myself dropping off to sleep mid conversation like I did in the days after my second child.   Because I had pethidine and hadn't slept for a good couple of days I was utterly exhausted and found it quite difficult to even function on a basic level.

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I am petrified of everything that comes with a natural birth but I am adament that I am going to give a darn good shot!

Everything about J labour/birth was medical, nothing natural about it at all. This time around I want the least amount of intervention and to give my body the chance to do what it is designed to do.

That said, knowing that at anytime I can call a c-section gives me a little comfort.

I will be going to hypnobirthing this time too,as well as acupuncture close to due date and all the herbs my natropath chucks at me LOL.



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I had a VBAC after having an elective c/s for a breech. I don't regret it at all. I went into it knowing that it was highly likely I could end up with a c/s, knowing that I could ask for a c/s at any point if I felt like labour was too much etc, that they would monitor me relatively closely and not allow things to go on for too long. I trusted my mw, she was down to earth, no nonsense kind of lady who told it how it was and did not flower things up, she had previous VBAC experience and knew exactly how I felt about things.

Part way through my labour we talked about a c/s as I didn't seem to be progressing and I was ok with but then I transitioned very quickly. I pushed for just over 2 hours and then the vontouse was used and with one push with the help of that he came out. I had to be cut and when the OB went to stitch me up she also found that I had a 2nd degree internal tear (most likely from the vontouse, and being cut was so they could use the vontouse as well). I didn't feel being cut or tearing and although I had a lot of stitches the recovery was not too bad. The worse bit was that sex was painful for a while, but no problems anymore.

I was told that given another hour I could have pushed him out myself but there was a risk he would of gone into distress and I was getting extremely tired, he had also moved and his shoulder was causing me pain between contractions (worse than the contraction themselves).

It will depend on individual circumstances etc and I think it's good to have a plan. My plan was that if I got to the point where I needed to be induced I would try the catheter thing and if that didn't work I would go for an elective c/s because inductions often lead to a c/s and I didn't see the point of labouring to then almost definitely end up with a c/s, but if I went naturally or the catheter worked I would give a vbac a shot. For me with my first being an elective they said there was nothing to suggest I couldn't labour and birth successfully, although they did say that many who have had electives freak out during labour having not experienced first time around and think they can't do it and certainly there were a couple of points were I felt like I couldn't but that's when you need a good mw to explain that what's happening is normal and fine.

Good luck with TTC

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I'm pretty sure the "destroyed" pelvic floor comes from being pregnant and having the extra weight sitting on it for 9months. I might be wrong though.
I nearly needed a csec, and if it comes to that a second time around I won't be bothered.

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Originally posted by kellie kellie wrote:

I'm pretty sure the "destroyed" pelvic floor comes from being pregnant and having the extra weight sitting on it for 9months. I might be wrong though.


Ooh so kinda like that mistaken belief that bf causes your boobs to sag when actually it is PREGNANCY???!! LOL

Kellie is actually right, pregnancy can 'destroy' your pelvic floor, but then so can being overweight, chronic coughing and plain old aging. LOL

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My pelvic floor is fine and i've done both, just gotta do your exercises

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I am the same kiwikd - DS was breech and when I went into labour he still hadn't turned so csection for me. I too will need to make the decision between csection & VBAC next time around and it has helped to read people's points of view - thanks for starting this thread
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Thank you all for sharing, you ladies rock! I'm pretty sure that if it comes to being induced then I'll probably be more inclined to go straight to a c-section, for Hayden they broke my waters and nothing happened, then they gave me drugs and had to increase them about 3 or 4 times to get the contractions moving a a decent rate. We had always questioned my due date but when Hayden was taken out the surgeon said the placenta was 'wrecked' and he peeled head to toe in his first few weeks as was so overcooked!

My friend with the pelvic floor issues is under the care of a physiotherapist I think it is, they think its cos she was pushing for over two hours and baby had his hand/arm up around his face. She was doing her excercises but still losing a full bladder without any notice and it turns out she had no muscle tone at all so the exercises werent helping and she is now using a special machine to get some tone back.

I guess there is always going to be scary recounts of such a massively physical event as giving birth.

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